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Post by rbsoccerinsouth on Jan 14, 2007 1:49:35 GMT -6
With Brother Martin going down to Rummel and then tying Ben Franlklin, that's a disgrace for them.
Basically, the whole year for Brother Martin has been a dissappointment. How many ties do they have this year? Can they find a way to win any of those games. A team that ties that many games isn't deserved a top ten vote.
Yes, you can say they don't lose, but they don't win either. The last time I remembered, winning was important when it comes to getting rankings.
Teams can't live on the past. This year is this year. If you are a voter that ranks the teams, you can say that in the past Brother Martin has been one of the best. But this year is another year and you can't judge them on their past, but rather, their current rusults. You have to ask yourself if this year that BM is one of the best teams. I don't see how you can call them one of the top tem teams right now, there are more deserving teams at the moment. If they can't put the ball in the goal to win games, they are not a top ten team. I don't care who they play against. Look at this years history... they are struggling to get the job done. Sorry, no top ten for BM in my mind.
I have to say yes, they are good. Are they one of the best 10 in the state, I have to say no. They need to be dropped from the top ten. Tying Ben Franklin is proof of this. How many games have BM tied this year. Why aren't they winning those games?
There are more deserving teams that are WINNING GAMES than this team.
Bro Martin is no top 10 team, but yes they are a good team.
Stop voting on them for their past accomplishments and expectations.
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Post by rbsoccerinsouth on Jan 14, 2007 1:54:50 GMT -6
Sorry, I'm not bashing as some may say...
put some goals in the back of the net when it counts and start winning some games
Then, I will change my thought.
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Post by rbsoccerinsouth on Jan 14, 2007 2:38:29 GMT -6
It's a shame to see the Louie and Carrollton Soccer Association aren't getting the job done there at Brother Martin.
They have more than their share of quality players at that school. Without the success, I guess it's showing a lack of other things.
I know many of the players and wish them the best of success with high school soccer. At the same time bear with the high school season and look forward to the club season. Many good things are too come. Hopefully, your club and your coach has these things planned out for you for the upcoming season.
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Post by soccerstud722 on Jan 14, 2007 9:09:57 GMT -6
I think theu are still top ten...Maybe not 2, but top ten for sure. Also, you sound as if the season is over. They are still in great shape to make a major statement in the playoffs. Their season is not finished yet. Good players won't start looking forward or just trying to "bear" out the season, they will play better. It's not like they are losing every game, just a stumble here and there. I have a feeling they will soon prove their status as one of the better teams in the state.
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Post by soccerboy07 on Jan 14, 2007 12:40:30 GMT -6
So let me ask you this. Brother Martin tied Lafayette and Carencro. How do you justify Caddo being ahead of them when they proved they are just as good as the two teams ahead of them by tieing them? Is brother martin as good as the teams they tie? they also tied newman, grace king, teurlings, and Fontainebleau well unless they meet brother martin, then they might tie and win in pks brother martins 7 ties almost matches with their ten wins. that many ties disturbs me to be voted so high i completely agree with rbsouth here and i have been saying this all season.. the results that brother martin has been putting up this season are pathetic for a number 2 ranked team.. i would personally like to see them moved up into 7th, 8th, or even 9th place voters biases are really coming out here with these polls.. do some research look at the lack of goals and teams they played and then vote people |
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Post by PutMeInCoach2 on Jan 14, 2007 13:00:15 GMT -6
i think you will see brother martin drop. The results they have been living on are finally running out.
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Post by ka4 on Jan 14, 2007 13:08:24 GMT -6
while i think brother martin will drop they are definetly a top 10 team name 1 team outside of the top 10 except for St Paul's who should be in over Captain Shreve who could beat Brother Martin?? are they top 5?? no they are about an 8-10 but they are definetly top 10
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Post by timaeus on Jan 14, 2007 13:15:40 GMT -6
Having watched the Jesuit-Brother Martin game and talking to a few Jesuit players, I still have Brother Martin ranked #4.
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Post by ShreveDad on Jan 14, 2007 13:44:32 GMT -6
I have them at #6, down from #4 last week.
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Post by goal on Jan 14, 2007 19:42:52 GMT -6
speaking as a player who has gone up against brother martin this year..
they absolutely deserve a top ten spot. i have played against several other top ten teams and brother martin has matched their level of quality...however, i do think that a number two spot may be a little generous. brother martin hasnt gotten the results a number two team should, but i can easily see them claiming a number 4 or 5 spot. they have great team skill, speed, and chemistry, they just need to find a way to get the results. as for their tie against ben franklin...good teams have bad days. ben franklin is hardly a gimme game, but it looks as if brother martin just didnt show up for that one. they will make some noise in the playoffs.
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Post by YellKeeper on Jan 14, 2007 19:56:00 GMT -6
It's a shame to see the Louie and Carrollton Soccer Association aren't getting the job done there at Brother Martin.
They have more than their share of quality players at that school. Without the success, I guess it's showing a lack of other things.
I'm not quite sure what you're getting at here, but i know Louie is a very good coach. Just sayin.
Brother Martin doesn't have the same talent as Jesuit gets every year. Jesuit stocks up on most of the NOSA players if i'm not mistaken ...
Brother Martin does well with the players they have every year ... and will make plenty of noise in the playoffs. They are a good team, but just having trouble finishing. Still top 5.
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Post by coachray40 on Jan 14, 2007 22:01:23 GMT -6
Earlier in the season I spoke of Brother Martin getting ties rather than wins and got blasted. Now look. BM is 2-2-6 in thier last 10 games--2 wins in 10 games.
I will agree they need to drop, and farther than 4th. Jesuit, Carencro, Lafayette and Fontainebleau all need to be ahead of BM. Louie is a solid coach, so I dont know that calling him out is the best idea, and I still believe Brother Martin will make a deep run in the playoffs--I wouldnt want to play them. Still, I feel an earlier season attitude to not lose rather than win has developed with Brother Martin, and now that we are in "money time", its showing up in a negative fashion. Should we pillory BM for the Rummel loss? No--everyone knows that District 9 would be the toughest in the state this year to win. BM needs to kick it up a notch though, and avoid getting an attitude of complacency about winning that might lead to them getting bounced from the playoffs before they should. They will be fine once we start the "second season."
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Post by lakeview on Jan 14, 2007 22:08:31 GMT -6
CoachRay and coach ray agreeing on something? Hmmmm . . . I thought they were tight.
Course, I agree also. Can't win 2 games out of last 10 and stay in The Top Ten.
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Post by cronaldo7 on Jan 14, 2007 22:15:43 GMT -6
Brother Martin doesn't have the same talent as Jesuit gets every year. Jesuit stocks up on most of the NOSA players if i'm not mistaken ...
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Post by wave on Jan 14, 2007 23:04:22 GMT -6
Jesuit does have several Lakeview players, but they also have several players that have played at Carrollton & NOSA. It's obvious that those players have also been trained well. The bottom line is that Brother Martin does not have nearly the same numbers or depth of talented players that Jesuit has. Louie is a very good coach as are the other Carrollton coaches that happen to coach at Brother Martin. Give Louie the talent & depth that Jesuit has & he might also be 23-0.
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Post by soccerstud722 on Jan 15, 2007 2:07:34 GMT -6
I think the biggest problem this year is that aside from Jesuit, no teams are very dominant. They all seem to be around the level which really makes it hard to pick an exact order for #'s 2-10. Maybe if a couple of teams would start to really turn it on, it would make the voters job a lot easier.
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Post by soccer4all on Jan 16, 2007 12:15:02 GMT -6
The BM varsity and jv coaches are quality but the 9th & 8th grade coaches are a joke - literally.
However, this is Louie's first attempt at coaching HS and he is learning that these teams are a mixed bag of talent, club experience and background. Furthermore, he needs to learn that HS rivalry is completely different than club rivalry.
Rummel has a jv coach that assists with the varsity that previously coached the 9th grade under DeRitter (I think he coaches club at Lafreniere). Those players are now juniors playing Varsity and JV. Is it coincidence that both the Varsity and JV lost to Rummel this year? The Rummel JV also beat Jesuit JV.
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Post by mrdashriprock on Jan 16, 2007 13:59:43 GMT -6
Br Martin is definitely a Top 10 team – probably top 4. If you believe in flat3’s power rating then Br Martin’s schedule this year so far has been the most difficult in terms of average power rating of opponents. Of course just simply playing the toughest schedule doesn’t necessarily make that team one of the best, but if you take out their losses and ties they still have an impressive number – the 2nd best (after Jesuit) – for their wins. To put it into perspective, here are the current Top 12 with the average power rating of the opponents that they've beaten: Opponent Avg
Power Rating | Top 12 | | 11.33 | Jesuit | | 10.22 | Carencro | | 9.90 | Lafayette | | 10.18 | Fontainebleau | | 9.90 | Caddo | | 10.79 | Br Martin | | 9.96 | Rummel | | 8.73 | Acadiana | | 9.93 | Catholic | | 9.53 | Dutchtown | | 9.31 | St Paul | | 9.11 | Shreve |
Obviously the average power rating of a team's opponents won't tell you how they'd do against one another, but it does give a clearer picture of the quality of their wins. |
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Post by biome22 on Jan 16, 2007 16:00:07 GMT -6
Brother Martin is still a top ten team despite thier ties. It would be a completely different story is these ties were loses, but as long as Brother Martin mantains a good record against top teams then they cetainlty deserve a spot thier. As for the Ben Franklin game they just didn't play well. That can happen any day of the week. Maybe due to injuries or whatever, but every team can't bring thier best game on the field everyday. Who knows maybe it was just a bad game.
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Post by soccerfreak123 on Jan 16, 2007 20:50:23 GMT -6
To say Bother Martin is not a top 10 team is absurd. We all know that Brother Martin can easily compete with every one of the top 10 teams on any given day. Sure they are having trouble finishing the ball but they are not losing. Come playoff time they will show everyone that they are a top 10 team. It really doesnt matter were they are ranked going in.
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