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Post by happyjack on Jan 30, 2007 22:31:56 GMT -6
the new HAPPYJACK TOP TEN 1. carencro 2. no one 3. no one 4. no one 5. no one 6. no one 7. no one 8. no one 9. no one 10. no one
I hope this makes futbolfan34 happy. his team should be feeling good about themselves, as they are now ranked number 1 in the happyjack poll. They are so good that no one else even makes the list. Yahoo. Now, go out and win some games and quit whining that you aren't getting the recognition you deserve.
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Post by PutMeInCoach2 on Jan 30, 2007 22:35:12 GMT -6
As a player, I didnt give a care about any poll, but the last one. Then I only cared if we were #1. We shot to be the best, we weren't the best we went home. Who cared about everything inbetween that, I know I surely didnt.
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Post by futbolfan34 on Jan 30, 2007 23:02:16 GMT -6
one quick response to HappyJack and Ghandi then im done with this thread because it has clearly gotten way out of hand.well yea i mean no poll is official. That's why they call it a poll. HappyJack i complained about anjust preseason poll that didnt even include Carencro. Are you saying my complaint means i am trying to say Carencro is the best, the only one who we should talk about, and the only one who should be considered for a ranking. You guys are extremists. You either don't include them at all or you make sarcastic responses with them as the only team worth mentioning. I have insulted no teams in this thread nor have i claimed Carencro to be the best. I'm coming at the voters And ghandi you told me to read a dictionary. U wanna explain the difference between a recorded average of opinions and a survey of the public.
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Post by Ghandi on Jan 30, 2007 23:04:32 GMT -6
one quick response to HappyJack and Ghandi then im done with this thread because it has clearly gotten way out of hand.well yea i mean no poll is official. That's why they call it a poll. HappyJack i complained about anjust preseason poll that didnt even include Carencro. Are you saying my complaint means i am trying to say Carencro is the best, the only one who we should talk about, and the only one who should be considered for a ranking. You guys are extremists. You either don't include them at all or you make sarcastic responses with them as the only team worth mentioning. I have insulted no teams in this thread nor have i claimed Carencro to be the best. I'm coming at the voters And ghandi you told me to read a dictionary. U wanna explain the difference between a recorded average of opinions and a survey of the public. I'm out of tissue paper, all we have is paper towels.
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Post by Bish on Jan 30, 2007 23:05:48 GMT -6
Hey Mr. Bish you couldn't be more wrong here. The rankings and things people say on this site do matter, and you are a fool if you think they do not. Me and my teamates used to come on this site everyday and just read, not respond, but just read people' s comments and votes. It motivated us. It pushed us to prove them wrong. And we ended up winning state. If that amounts to nothing, well then there's no point in playing high school soccer Wow. That's hilarious. If these rankings are what motivates you, then it's a sad sad day in High School soccer.
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Post by futbolfan34 on Jan 30, 2007 23:06:48 GMT -6
Good thing! I tend to shoot all over the place once i reach climax
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Post by futbolfan34 on Jan 30, 2007 23:07:43 GMT -6
Partial motivation and it worked didn't it?
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Post by happyjack on Jan 30, 2007 23:10:16 GMT -6
Wow, that is a most impressive response. Clearly, you would like the voters to go back and redo all 11 weekly votes, with your vaunted Carencro firmly esconced in the #1 position. Well, I'm pretty sure that won't be happening. Further, many people have explained to you the rationale for the rankings, which you continued to argue against. So, tongue in cheek I thought I would poe fun at something that has no bearing on the real world whatsoever. Sorry to have offended your sensibilities. Might I suggest you double the dose of the ritalin?
Also, I used some big words for you, hoping that you will make use of the dictionairy Ghandi recommended you purchase.
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Post by d1d5fan on Jan 30, 2007 23:14:36 GMT -6
dude all you are doing on this thread is bashing the opinions of the voters that we have. so what if they didnt have cro in the top 10? WHO CARES? the preseason polls are based on what people have heard about the talent that teams have lost, and no real base. they are POLLS, they arent a factor in ANYTHING in life. WHO CARES what people think about a team? that is their opinion. dont get your undies in a bundle over this, take a step back, count to 10 and BREATHE and you will feel better.
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Post by futbolfan34 on Jan 30, 2007 23:30:35 GMT -6
vaunted, esconced, and rationale? I'm sure your parents are proud. Clearly this isn't that big of a deal to me, otherwise i would have brought it up before this point. Carencro has been #2 for a while now, and in the top ten since like week 3. Have yall heard anyhthing from me? No, so don't talk like this is breaking my heart. I just wanted to see if anyone agreed with what i have to say. Obviously no one does so i thank yall for yall honesty. But don't attack my intelligence. You don't know a thing about me. Good luck to your teams in the playoffs. I'll be pulling for the defending/ newly crowned title holders
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Post by Bish on Jan 30, 2007 23:53:00 GMT -6
I'll attack your intelligence all I want, especially since you can't spell or type correctly. Hey Mr. Bish you couldn't be more wrong here. The rankings and things people say on this site do matter, and you are a fool if you think they do not. Me and my teamates used to come on this site everyday and just read, not respond, but just read people' s comments and votes. It motivated us. It pushed us to prove them wrong. And we ended up winning state. If that amounts to nothing, well then there's no point in playing high school soccer Yes, they do matter, if you let them matter. An intelligent player wouldn't pay any mind to this site, except for casual reading. You are trying to tie the rankings directly to why you won state. Please stop. I doubt you'd say that you wouldn't have won state if Cro wasn't ranked before the playoffs, now would you? I'm sure you don't handle trash talk very well from the other team. Because after all, what other people say matters, so you need to act on it and retaliate. If anything, Cro not being on the polls this season should have motivated them to work harder to prove the polls wrong. Your opinion is wrong. Face it. Forget it.
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Post by futbolfan34 on Jan 31, 2007 1:02:23 GMT -6
[glow=red,2,300]Yes, they do matter, if you let them matter. An intelligent player wouldn't pay any mind to this site, except for casual reading.
If anything, Cro not being on the polls this season should have motivated them to work harder to prove the polls wrong.
« Last Edit: Yesterday at 11:58pm by Mr. Bish » [/glow][/glow] I'm not sure which direction you are going here. You are kind of contradicting yourself, don't you think? I am with you on the second of the two comments. In fact, i think i said word for word what you just said. That we were motivated by not recieving credit on the polls. So either you are agreeing with me and saying i'm wrong, therefore disagreeing with yourself. Or you are disagreeing with me and yourself. Either way you don't make sense.
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Post by futbolfan34 on Jan 31, 2007 1:08:21 GMT -6
You claim i am trying to the tie the rankings to why we won state, when in fact this whole thread's purpose was to tie the rankings to the fact that we won state. I know that isnt come out clear so i am going to simplify it. We did not win state cause of polls are people's opinions but they did motivate us. Us winning state should motivate polls and people's opinions. They did not and that and that only was what this thread was about.
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Post by hdkjga on Jan 31, 2007 7:55:58 GMT -6
ok yall are getting the wrong idea here. I am not a hater nor am i trying to put down yall efforts which clearly demands a great deal of time and hard work. Without yall, this site would not exist. I was merely wandering how so many people could get it wrong. I know this is past events and have no bearing on the playoffs, but imagine how fountainebleau and carencro players felt after seeing what everyone apparently thought of all their accomplishments. Maybe it was the driving factor for them to succeed this year and prove it wasn't a fluke last year. I didn't vote at all this year, but I will say that if you watched the final the last 4 years, there was a huge step down last year. Last year's final was like watching a recreational game. Long ball, no real good touch, a couple of lucky bounces, etc. Furthermore, last year Lafayette beat Cro 3 or 4 times and none of them were close, so it stands to reason that most people thought that Lafayette was still a better team. Lafayette finished unbeaten in the playoffs as well last year. (many people think that they would have won it had they not had the rug pulled out.......myself included) The reason, I think FB was low is probably becasue noone expected them last year and thought it probably wouldn't happen again. I had the priveledge of running the poll for a couple years and it is difficult. It requires at least a couple hours to tally up the polls and make sure it is on the site by Sunday evening. These guys have done a great job. Lastly, who cares about preseason polls, every sport's preseason polls are wrong, it's the final poll that matters. Preseason polls are based off of returning talent(including JV), how well a team did in the recent past(not just last year, but the last couple), and a little bit of tradition.......I have a hard tim ebelieving that Jesuit will ever start outside the top 5, becasue history tells us that they will be there in the end. Same with Lafayette and Bro. Martin.
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Post by Bish on Jan 31, 2007 10:30:39 GMT -6
I'm not sure which direction you are going here. You are kind of contradicting yourself, don't you think? I am with you on the second of the two comments. In fact, i think i said word for word what you just said. That we were motivated by not recieving credit on the polls. So either you are agreeing with me and saying i'm wrong, therefore disagreeing with yourself. Or you are disagreeing with me and yourself. Either way you don't make sense. What I'm trying to say is that I am curious as to why you are complaining about Cro not being ranked, when you say it motivates yall even more when you aren't ranked. You're the one contradicting yourself. That doesn't seem to be the purpose of the thread at all, unless I'm missing something. Tell me where in your original post that you meant the thread for that reason. You should have just stopped after the first sentence, because the rest is incoherent babble.
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Post by northshore08 on Jan 31, 2007 18:35:33 GMT -6
....i thought i got out of grade school
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Post by biome22 on Jan 31, 2007 18:55:36 GMT -6
Motivation should not be driven by what you see on a computer screen. Don't get me wrong. Cro is an excellent team and they will do great in the playoffs. The constant bashing on this website is hilarious.
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Post by happyjack on Jan 31, 2007 19:41:51 GMT -6
fut - i'm pretty sure you won state last year because you didn't lose any games in the playoffs. If you want to say you won state because you were ranked, knock yourself out...words never won anything, except in debate club.
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Post by brhsoccer14 on Jan 31, 2007 20:01:38 GMT -6
You've got to be kidding me... you really have to be joking.
There are 120+ teams in the state... And for the most part, most of the polls have been accurate. I don't see why teams who did well last year should be put at the top. You think just because one team makes a great run during the season should be put on top? No... so why making a good run at state matter?
If you look at the BCS for NCAA football, and for those who don't agree with the BCS, if you look at the Coach's poll and AP poll, you will see teams that started in the Top 10, that aren't in the Top 25 anymore, and you'll see teams that weren't even close to being ranked in the Top 25, to being in the Top 10... i.e Boise St. who started in 31st and made their way to 9th in the AP... Let's find a team who did good in 2005... Ahh Texas... they won the National Championship, right? Well, look at them this year... 19th... you see? Preseason polls mean nothing and as a matter of fact, rankings don't get you anywhere in LAHS soccer at any point in the season. Only placement in districts do, no matter if you are 100th or 1st in the state.
Another point I would like to make, two 'computer' polls (made by myself and flat3), or polls made based on just facts and stats, agreed for the most part with the 'human' polls the entire season. I believe the pollsters did a great job seeing as they can't watch every game.
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Post by soccergeezer50 on Jan 31, 2007 20:20:44 GMT -6
Response to hdkjga on last year's final: I'm sorry the bitterness lingers after a year, I'm sure it would for me too if my all-star, can't-miss team got stiffed at the last minute. But I'm guessing that by your game commentary you never watched FHS play before that final, never appreciated the ball-control passing game they normally played so well that got them there in the first place. A couple of their best ball-handlers in the midfield either missed part or all of that final. Maybe it would have changed the outcome; maybe not. But those were the teams in the finals.
Your comments speculating about why FHS was low failed to note that most of the returning starters were back this year, thus they had the high preseason ranking.
And if any official in this state set playoff brackets depending on how they thought any particular team was going to finish the following year then they should be fired. Polls are for speculating, which is why all this whining about who gets stuck where in the polls is so ludicrous; but actual assigned playoff brackets need to be unemotional and cut-and-dried.
What happens from here on depends on who makes it happen the day of the game, not records or polls or opinions.
And finally, this in no way supports the string of comments by futbolfan, who if he IS associated with the Carencro team does not represent them in a very classy manner. State champs should be able to carry themselves better than that.
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