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Post by happyjack on Oct 25, 2007 20:22:19 GMT -6
This year, officials ask coaches if players are attired properly. If coach says yes, and then during play it turns out a player is not attired properly (wrong size shin guards, jewelry, etc) it is an automatic caution for the coach. This could be really interesting...
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Post by PutMeInCoach2 on Oct 25, 2007 20:24:44 GMT -6
This year, officials ask coaches if players are attired properly. If coach says yes, and then during play it turns out a player is not attired properly (wrong size shin guards, jewelry, etc) it is an automatic caution for the coach. This could be really interesting... another one that takes place next year is the proper shingaurds with the proper logo... My guess is it will not be enforced or checked because the officials will just caution the coach if it comes to the attention the shingaurds are actually "illegal."
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Post by furriner on Oct 26, 2007 16:53:03 GMT -6
This year, officials ask coaches if players are attired properly. If coach says yes, and then during play it turns out a player is not attired properly (wrong size shin guards, jewelry, etc) it is an automatic caution for the coach. This could be really interesting... I guess this would include the "three finger" thing for how high they start? Whose fingers? I have stubby fat fingers. Other refs have narrow fingers. If coach has fat fingers and is up against a skinny ref, what happens? I would say fix 'em, but if they are taped in place, then it is kinda obvious. Player has to leave field to fix them, and coach has to be cautioned. Yellow for each player?
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Post by on Oct 26, 2007 17:37:40 GMT -6
I would urge referees to not dig this hole before the game even starts. You'll just start on a sour note. How to avoid? Do everyone a favor. Walk through the players during warm ups, check out the players as they warm up. Do a visual check. This 5 minutes can eliminate 80 minutes of grief. Lets be smart.
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Post by bhssoccerplaya on Oct 26, 2007 18:24:27 GMT -6
Does anyone know if we have to have a certain brand of shinguard...and if so wht kind
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Post by PutMeInCoach2 on Oct 27, 2007 2:20:04 GMT -6
Does anyone know if we have to have a certain brand of shinguard...and if so wht kind It's a rule you must not know about this year, so i wouldnt sweat over it.
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Post by L4S on Oct 27, 2007 8:03:54 GMT -6
i think all of these "strict" rules & regs are garbage. you'll have an old fart who has never stepped on the pitch with shinguards on telling these kids what they should, can, or shouldn/t, can't wear. soccer players are strange (myself included) when it comes to dressing for a game...how much do these shinguards approved by the NFHS make a difference. sounds like some suits trying to cover they backsides in this sue happy environment we are currently living in.
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Post by happyjack on Oct 30, 2007 19:57:44 GMT -6
yeah, who needs rules? well, lets make a deal. I wont criticize you on your short shinguards, but don't come whining to me when a player is taken down in the box and you want a PK. After all, you choose to ignore your rules, i'll choose to ignore mine.
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Post by GBULM1234 on Oct 31, 2007 11:55:59 GMT -6
I think some of you guys are going about this the wrong way. The rule is in place to protect the players not hinder them. they are looking for age apporiate shin guards mostly, I don't know too many refs checking with three fingers. Age apporiate shinguards are an issue, because if you wear a shinguard that is not for your age or size and you get injured, then not only is the school responsible but the refs are held responsible. You have to look at from the point of view that yes, some of the rules are stupid , but obviously necessary because some of the kids judgement is not in thier best interest saftey wise. As to the ref never playing and being a stickler for the rules, hey I played in college and some pro and to be honest many of the other officials I know have either played or coached, we are not looking to be strict by the book, but we are looking to protect the players while we are in control of the game.
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Post by L4S on Nov 1, 2007 9:51:46 GMT -6
it wasn't a knock on all officials, but my point can be taken from what you wrote...",then not only is the school responsible but the refs are held responsible." Why should anyone be held responsible if someone is hurt while participating in a "volunteer" sport. I understand why the rule is in place, I just think that it is terrible that they had to put it in...to cover their a$$ (which they must do nowadays).
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Post by furriner on Nov 1, 2007 13:08:29 GMT -6
it wasn't a knock on all officials, but my point can be taken from what you wrote...",then not only is the school responsible but the refs are held responsible." Why should anyone be held responsible if someone is hurt while participating in a "volunteer" sport. I understand why the rule is in place, I just think that it is terrible that they had to put it in...to cover their a$$ (which they must do nowadays). the center ref is always responsible for what happens on his/her field during a game. that is why we have to take shinguards so seriously. If we allow you to play with no shinguards, it is our but on the line when your parents sue us.
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Post by cenlacoach on Nov 1, 2007 13:44:21 GMT -6
I agree with furriner... it is the referee that is responsible for what happens in a game... Lord knows we live a world where you can be sued for anything. Has anyone compaired the size of the NFHS book to the FIFA laws of the game? Even with all the interpretations that USSF hands out, it is still simple rules for a great game. I know that player safety is the most important issue, but there is a risk in playing ANY sport! I wonder when all the high school rules prevent it from being soccer? Maybe we should have the players dress in bright orange padded suits and kick around a Nerf ball....
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Post by therock on Nov 1, 2007 21:44:35 GMT -6
i know it hasnt been changed but im just wondering why its different in the first place. why only in high school can u have two yellows and just have to be subbed off for the rest of the game. since youve got some teams with majority football players etc that are already agressive/dirty enough why would u make a rule that allows them to make cheap plays that hurt ppl and they just end up getting a nice breather with ten minutes left in the game and their team doesnt even have to play down a man. especially coming from a school where we sometimes beat teams badly they just get mad at the end and all start getting booked bad for frustration fouls i dont see any benefit at all in having a rule that allows them to do this and not only doesnt make them play down a man but as far as i know doesnt make them inelidgeble for the next game.
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Post by furriner on Nov 2, 2007 9:47:16 GMT -6
to briefly answer the rock:
I have no idea why a "soft" red allows you to continue playing with 11 players. However, the NFSHSA rules (as opposed to FIFA laws) have some frankly dumb yellows- encroaching on a PK for example. Not calling an official "sir".
that said, a red (however issued) still counts against a player for the next games, gets reported to LHSAA and the school will be fined if, as therock insists, teams send players out to get double yellows. Serious foul play is still a straight red. Therefore, the knuckle draggers from football would have to be careful not to get the center too POed.
When a team is winning easily, I personally do not like to see players taking the pi$$. This is in itself unsporting, and frankly unsafe. The only protection a ref can provide here is to red card the "attacker" after you are carried off with a broken leg. When games gets too one sided, and dangerous, do not play with the ball, just get rid of it ASAP.
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Post by rocksccrstar on Nov 2, 2007 17:58:33 GMT -6
Here's my dumb question.......
Why wouldn't the child, and/or the parents who allowed it, be held accountable for not wearing the proper shinguards?
Isn't anyone held accountable for their personal choices anymore?
When I play I have enough sense to wear the right equipment and if I chose not to then it is my own stupidity not the ref's or my coach's.
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Post by cajunsoccerguy on Nov 3, 2007 19:42:39 GMT -6
Here's my dumb question....... Why wouldn't the child, and/or the parents who allowed it, be held accountable for not wearing the proper shinguards? Isn't anyone held accountable for their personal choices anymore? When I play I have enough sense to wear the right equipment and if I chose not to then it is my own stupidity not the ref's or my coach's. The answer LAWYERS, and a sue happy society.
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Post by norecognition69 on Nov 7, 2007 23:42:03 GMT -6
the attire rule is so stupid. who came up with that? What's the point? Is it really that hard for refs to look at the players before the game and check that? Was there a problem with the refs checking? If so, I certainly didn't notice. I mean seriously, think about that rule; that has to be the dumbest thing that has ever been changed. Are they fining coaches or schools or something if they don't check? All that rule does is cause problems that otherwise wouldn't exist. if a ref checks equipment before the game, everything goes down smoothly; whereas, if a coach doesn't and a kid breaks his leg cus he's not wearing shinguards or something of the sort, you suddenly have a problem. STUPID RULE!!
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Post by norecognition69 on Nov 7, 2007 23:48:18 GMT -6
that being said, lhsaa should just adopt all of fifa's rules. why not? i trust them more than the ignorant, louisiana soccer "regulators". shouldn't fifa have the most solid rules? the rules we all already know.
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Post by PutMeInCoach2 on Nov 8, 2007 7:26:37 GMT -6
the attire rule is so stupid. who came up with that? What's the point? Is it really that hard for refs to look at the players before the game and check that? Was there a problem with the refs checking? If so, I certainly didn't notice. I mean seriously, think about that rule; that has to be the dumbest thing that has ever been changed. Are they fining coaches or schools or something if they don't check? All that rule does is cause problems that otherwise wouldn't exist. if a ref checks equipment before the game, everything goes down smoothly; whereas, if a coach doesn't and a kid breaks his leg cus he's not wearing shinguards or something of the sort, you suddenly have a problem. STUPID RULE!! Like stated before, to stop someone from getting injured using illegal shingaurds, and then turn around and sue-ing because they got hurt.
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Post by cgcsu on Nov 8, 2007 7:54:41 GMT -6
that being said, lhsaa should just adopt all of fifa's rules. why not? i trust them more than the ignorant, louisiana soccer "regulators". shouldn't fifa have the most solid rules? the rules we all already know. Louisiana plays by the NFHS rules, (which I assume most states play by). That rule is an NFHS rule, not LHSAA.
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