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Post by on Dec 1, 2007 14:19:07 GMT -6
what happened. I had to work this morning so i wasn't able to go to the game. what was it about the ref and the rummel coach? please someone give some details.
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Post by none on Dec 1, 2007 14:34:04 GMT -6
This is what I heard..
Acadiana 1 Rummel 0 at half. The game was getting ugly and halfway through the second half the Rummel coach got a red card. After that he told his team to get off the field and they left.
Just curious, what are the rulings for this. Does that mean Acadiana gets a 1-0 win or the game does not count?
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Post by Oranje on Dec 1, 2007 14:38:22 GMT -6
I am sure Acadiana will get the win, why would they not count the game. It was a scheduled game, that was played beyond halftime. Therfore I believe Acadiana will get the 1-0 win or it will count as a forfeit.
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Post by buckbundy on Dec 1, 2007 16:24:30 GMT -6
Rummel could not be allowed to continue without a coach. When the coach got red carded, there was no one else eligible to coach. The only possible outcome was a forfiet. Officiating was questionable, and I'm being polite.
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Post by Oranje on Dec 1, 2007 17:02:08 GMT -6
who was the other adult on the bench with the red jacket?
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Post by dawggone on Dec 2, 2007 8:45:15 GMT -6
is this the first occurance of a red card for the rummel coach? i've seen him very vocal toward refs and i'm being polite...
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Post by wiseguy54 on Dec 2, 2007 9:36:50 GMT -6
dawg did you see this game? both teams showed well in the 1st half.
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Post by gottabenumber1 on Dec 2, 2007 9:40:57 GMT -6
will anything happen to the rummel coach or team after that game?
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Post by coachray40 on Dec 2, 2007 10:02:52 GMT -6
Im not sure this will be considered a forfeit. The game was in the second half. If lightning or field conditions had been a factor and the game was stopped after half the result would stand as it was--same as if a team walks off the field as in this case. I believe the only way it could have been considered a "forfeit" would have been if Rummel had been up, or if the game was still in the first half, when Rummel's coach pulled his players off the field. This game should be considered a 1-0 win for Acadiana of a terminated match.
As for the coach, I know he was quite vocal with the center official during our match with Rummel at Dutchtown--but probably for good reason as the center just had a bad game. No I am not criticizing the official--he just wasnt able to keep up with the speed of the match, got confused with some of his calls and didnt manage the match well--both teams were unhappy with his performance and he later admitted that it wasnt his best effort.
This is the first time I have heard of a coach pulling his team off he field in HS soccer--but I will say that if Coach Burns felt like his team was in danger he was well within his rights to do so. A coaches first obligation should always be ensure the safety of his players. I wasnt there, and i dont know what happened to cause the ejection, so I wont speculate on its validity. I dont think anything will come of this with either LHSAA or Rummel. Definitely a shame that a match of such high quality teams had to end with such a controversy.
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Post by wiseguy54 on Dec 2, 2007 11:34:01 GMT -6
everybody wants to blame the rummel coach for his actions what about the ref that call a bad game from the start
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Post by stafalcon22 on Dec 2, 2007 11:40:58 GMT -6
what happened that caused the coach to get carded???
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Post by Oranje on Dec 2, 2007 11:45:57 GMT -6
If indeed he was making bad calls, surely the ref wasn't being biased and calling all the fouls on Rummel. I know that there were numerous fouls on Acadiana (and yellow cards, but the thing that hurt Rummel was their reactions to the calls (that doesn't win you brownie points with a ref). He was just trying to control the game. There was no need for the Rummel coach to get out of hand, surely the coachs' attitude is instilled within the players because as soon as he got out of hand, the players began. Acadiana players we getting hurt from the physical Rummel play. I am downgrading their style of play because I think they are a good sqaud, but when there are numerous kids getting hurt the ref will begin to make the calls because it's his job to PROTECT the players.
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Post by SoccerGeek on Dec 2, 2007 11:51:05 GMT -6
I agree with Coach Ray. If the Rummel coach felt the game was out of control and his players were at a greater risk of injury than normal, then I support the coach's actions.
Through the years I have witnessed several games where the referee was simply not in control of a game. One player does something to another player(intentional or not) and the other team or player has to retaliate. The rest of the game is spent with both teams trying to "one up" the other team and the referee just can't seem to get the genie back in the bottle. The risk of injury becomes seriously elevated.
Most officials do a good job considering these are high school players(and attitudes) and considering the speed of play and level of aggression. Unfortunately, there are a few referees that really should be ref'ing U8 Rec games and not high school, either because they are incompetent or they have an "I am God, how DARE you question me" attitude. With such a shortage of referees, many ref associations are forced to dig a little lower in the barrel of talent just to provide the manpower needed to cover all of the games.
Understand, I am not trying to impune referees(I used to be one) and I am not sure what happened at this game as I wasn't there. I'm simply posting about my observations over the years, and unfortunately, I don't see it getting any better.
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Post by Oranje on Dec 2, 2007 11:55:37 GMT -6
But in this case, Acadiana players were the ones going down not Rummel. I don't believe that Rummel was intentionally trying to hurt Acadiana players, they were playing agressive, some of the calls didn't go there way, some did. There is no need to quit because of a ref. I am sorry. His players were in no danger of getting hurt. I can't recall one Rummel player coming out of the game because he was hurt. But there were 2 or 3, maybe more Acadiana players that had to come off.
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Post by SoccerGeek on Dec 2, 2007 13:06:21 GMT -6
Thanks, chosenone, for the info. As I said, I wasn't at the game so I am not making a judgement about that game inparticular, just an overall observation.
If you are right(I'll accept your word) about how the game was played, then maybe the Rummel coach was out of line. I was just agreeing with Coach Ray, with whom I respect, that any coach has the first responsibilty to the safety of his players. I also believe officials of any sport should have the understanding that their first responsibilty above ALL else is to the safety of the players.
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Post by Oranje on Dec 2, 2007 13:28:35 GMT -6
I agree completely with coachray and yourself, I was helping everyone understand the situation. I do agree with everything ya'll are saying, but I just don't believe it was right for the coach of Rummel to overreact the way he did in an intense game. He is the adult and should set an example for his players. But Rummel players showed class after the game, they shook hands and exchanged good games with Acadiana.
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Post by on Dec 2, 2007 14:32:35 GMT -6
wiseguy54, Does a coach coach a perfect game every game? does a player play a perfect game every game? does a ref call a perfect game every game? The answer to all three questions is NO. weather the ref was calling a good game or not does not mean the coach should have pulled his team. i wasn't there and the only reason i could see pulling a team is if the coach feels the game is getting so out of hand someone will get hurt, and that might be why he did it. i don't know who the ref was but i do know that the rummel coach has a reputation of riding the refs durning games. nobody wins in a situation like this. i am sure the players from both teams would have like to finish the game. if the ref was that bad i hope the person scheduling games takes note of this and works with this ref to correct any problems he may have.
as far as acadiana getting the win i think the answer is yes, for the same reasons others have already stated
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Post by flat3 on Dec 2, 2007 14:47:46 GMT -6
I have a simple question. Did the Rummel coach VOLUNTARILY decide to call it quit, or Was Rummel forced to quit because they had no coach/school representative? If someone at the game can answer this, it would be appreciated.
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Post by buckbundy on Dec 2, 2007 15:53:45 GMT -6
On a related note, I have watched a couple of rivalries develop between Metairie teams and Lafayette teams at both the club and the high school level. Lafayette has some great teams. When you play a Lafayette team, you know it's going to be tough, physical, and you better bring your A game. Putting controversy aside, Saturday's game play was everything you would expect. Maybe they will see each other later in the season.
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Post by none on Dec 2, 2007 17:26:29 GMT -6
Rummel's coach voluntary took his team off the field.
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