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Post by bigsoccerfan on Feb 25, 2008 9:21:05 GMT -6
I will start off by saying that I am a only casual soccer fan, as my name would suggest. I am also NOT a parent of a high school athlete. These were two good soccer teams that were playing for the biggest prize in the state of Louisiana. STM was the best team on paper. Anyone who argues that is living in a fantasy world, but the game is played on the field, not on paper. The adrenaline was pumping on both sides of the field, and the game was physical from the start. I am sure there was talking throughout the game, but that is part of sports. Get over it. It is when it becomes more than talking, that you have incidents like Saturday afternoon. I am not going to comment on the scuffle after the game because no one knows what actually happened except for the people involved, and you are never going to get an accurate story from either side. What I will comment on is the final few minutes of the game. The yellow card issued was the correct call. Barbe's player went in with an elbow. At this point, the game was out of reach. The score was 3-0 with under 2 minutes to go. Everything that went on could have been stopped at this point. Instead of pulling the player, Barbe's coach put her right back into the game. That is not what I would have done, but I can live with it. The player reenters the game and proceeds to blatantly push an STM player from behind. This is where the referee could have ended it. He calls a foul, which should have been another yellow card. The player turns and argues. Another chance for a yellow card, and yet nothing comes of it. It is the referee's job to keep control of the game and he didn't. From that point on, the game turned ugly. Now a reply to centermid3. I said I would not comment on what happened after the game and I will stick to that statement, but I urge you to explain to me how STM did not win with class. I seem to remember that STM played soccer, and only soccer, for the entirety of the game. Barbe began to take cheap shots at the end with no physical retaliation from STM players. I consider that very classy. If you can't take a little talk, then you don't belong on the field for any athletic competition. The FACTS are, the game became out of reach and the physical play was taken to another level. The slide tackle with 5 seconds left was completely uncalled for. You don't see the defensive lineman blowing through the line when the winning team is kneeling the ball to run out the clock at the end of a football game. Both teams could've handled the end of the game differently, but what happened, happened. The bottom line is: Before you claim that a team does not know how to win with class, make sure that you know how to lose with class. Just my two cents, take it or leave it. Agree 100% with this post.
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Post by daflash on Feb 25, 2008 10:20:02 GMT -6
Being everyone is relaxed , I will go ahead and give my response.
BarbeDad and CenterMid3 , I will begin by saying that I do not know what was said after the game nor do I pretend to. I do know that whatever happened was a direct result of what happened on the field of play and the final incident that occured when the whistle blew. That seems to be the aspect of this that you are glossing over and failing to recognize. Anything that was said by a STM player was a reaction to that incident. To expect that nothing would be said after that type of play is naive. Anyone who is a competitor would have had something to say after that malicious slide tackle and I for one believe that something should have been said. To say that because STM had won the game, while one of their teammates is laying on the ground not knowing if she is injured or not, They should not have recognized what happened and let it go, I call BS! I can only imagine that leaders on the STM team had something to say and it may have not been to nice, but neither was the tackle. In the regards of the post game skirmish both sides were at fault, but the fact is this would have never occured if that catylst event at the end of regulation would not have occured.
I agree that the coaches did a good job to difuse the situation before it got out of control after the game and they should be commended for that. But the way that I see it, control could have been gained while the game was in it's closing minutes. Whenever the player was sent to the bench after the yellow card, Once she hit the sideline she made an immediate 90 degree turn and went back on the line, I can only assume on instruction of the coach. I believe (my opinion) that it was pretty evident that she needed a little cool down time to gain some composure. Instead she was back on the field to continue to fuel the situation.
So like the incident after the game things are being said, you guys have stated your piece in defense of your team and I have stated my opinion in defense of the team that I support. Either way no one will be 100% right in their opinion. I do feel quite confident however that my point about the catylst to the whole event was the boarish play on the field at the end of the game that caused this escalation of emotions. That is what needs to be recognized and that is why I had to say something about it.
You take that incident away and feel pretty certain that none of this ever happens. Hell these teams played twice before and this did not occur, why did it have to happen on the biggest stage of all ?
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Post by on Feb 25, 2008 10:56:32 GMT -6
Anything that was said by a STM player was a reaction to that incident. So, two wrongs make a right? Casualfan gets props for their post (+1 karma for you). And I have no connections to either team, but sure adds fuel to LHSAA wanting to do away with select (AKA non staff) coaches involved with h/s soccer if indeed an opposing coach got in the face or made aggressive physical contact with a player. Chances are, someone was rolling video on this, then some truths will be known. Nice job on messing up a great event.... ...and yes BOTH TEAMS! You win as a team, lose as a team, look good as a team and unfortunately, look bad as a team. Smarter heads would of went in pulling their team members/players out of the fray instead of adding fuel to the fire, so don't just lay this at the feet of just one individual. It takes two to tango. It's over and done. Better team won. Congratulations to STM on being "nationally ranked" (even though only SIX states play winter soccer). And nobody is ignorant enough here NOT to think long before that slide tackle happened, smack was being laid down out on the pitch. Not saying who started the talk, just knows it happens... all the time. Everyone get a bag of popcorn, sit back, and let STM, Barbe, and LHSAA sort this out. Unless there is documented proof of coach/opposing player contact, odds are nothing will come of this except STM has replaced Lafayette as Barbe's #1 district nemesis, and STM now plays in a real competitive district. Have a Coke and a smile. ;D
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Post by bigsoccerfan on Feb 25, 2008 11:09:44 GMT -6
Anything that was said by a STM player was a reaction to that incident. So, two wrongs make a right? Casualfan gets props for their post (+1 karma for you). And I have no connections to either team, but sure adds fuel to LHSAA wanting to do away with select (AKA non staff) coaches involved with h/s soccer if indeed an opposing coach got in the face of a player. Nice job.... What the STM coach did was not right. She should have never touched or yelled at a Barbe player. She should have touched and yelled at her team to back off. But none of this would have happened if 14 didn’t do what she did. I don’t see anyway someone can say otherwise. 14 was upset, it is her senior year, and she started taking players out. She gets a yellow. Her coach put her back on. I see both sides of putting her back on and not putting her back on. Don’t put her on to let her calm down. Put her on because she is a senior. The coach did the right and wrong thing. Luckily no one is seriously hurt. A couple of bruises and that is it. Great game. To bad it will be remembered for things after the game and not the game itself.
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Post by casualfan on Feb 25, 2008 11:13:04 GMT -6
Nice job on messing up a great event.... I do have a connection to a team, and I hope that your comment is directed toward both teams and not just to the STM coach. Again, I will not condone anything done by either team. This was a result of BOTH teams losing their composure. I will agree with daflash, though, and say that if the end of the game would have been handled differently, none of this would have happened.
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Post by daflash on Feb 25, 2008 11:14:34 GMT -6
Aliceshoe, absolutely not, but in the context of the game would you expect anything else when the game is being played at the pinnacle for both teams ? With the play being discribed, you can expect to have a negative result with confrontation.
So illiminate that type of play, which should have been done during the game, by coaches , refs whomever.
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Post by centermid3 on Feb 25, 2008 11:15:59 GMT -6
yes i do agree that 14 should have gotten carded for the first foul. the one she got carded for seemed to be a make up call for it bc i saw her trying to catch herself.
sorry i did not mean the whole stm team didnt win with class, just particularly that one girl that started the incident and it had absolutely nothing to do with her (14 wasnt around that girl the entire game) and the woman assistant coach. that lady had absolutely no right to scream, curse, and touch barbe players.
sorry i did not mean that about the whole team and i apologize.
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Post by bigsoccerfan on Feb 25, 2008 11:20:24 GMT -6
yes i do agree that 14 should have gotten carded for the first foul. the one she got carded for seemed to be a make up call for it bc i saw her trying to catch herself. sorry i did not mean the whole stm team didnt win with class, just particularly that one girl that started the incident and it had absolutely nothing to do with her (14 wasnt around that girl the entire game) and the woman assistant coach. that lady had absolutely no right to scream, curse, and touch barbe players. sorry i did not mean that about the whole team and i apologize. Have you ever heard of players defending their own team?? You are kidding right?? 14 is the reason it started. No question. The STM coach never cursed. You are just saying stuff now. Get your facts straight.
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Post by eurosweeper on Feb 25, 2008 11:34:15 GMT -6
C'mon. Enough is enough. All have regrets this happened. I'm sure Barbe's #14 let the moment get the best of her and she got upset and frustrated. If her actions toward the end of the game were truly malicious, then she'll have to live with that ugly truth and take a look at some anger issues. The STM girls were protecting their player who got fouled and was on the ground in pain. I'm sure they voiced their displeasure at what happened. Barbe's girls were protecting their players who they believed got falsely or wrongly accused. STM's coach was protecting her players. Barbe's coach was protecting his players. I'd rather see everyone protected than a brawl in the middle of the field. Hey...this is a team sport. No one should be proud of the actions taken by the players. Everyone should stop and think that it really is a good thing to "stick up" for your teammates. By letting discussion go on and on and on I guess some of you would rather be "right" than "happy." Your choice. But it's over.
Barbe and STM had great seasons. Cherish the GOOD memories.
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Post by centermid3 on Feb 25, 2008 11:35:48 GMT -6
sorry that is what i was told from 3 girls that were right there. i never said she is not the reason it started, im sure she is. i was just saying she should have got carded for the foul before that one. it was a hard tackle and deserved a yellow.
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Post by bigsoccerfan on Feb 25, 2008 11:37:01 GMT -6
sorry that is what i was told from 3 girls that were right there. i never said she is not the reason it started, im sure she is. i was just saying she should have got carded for the foul before that one. it was a hard tackle and deserved a yellow. And what about the coach cursing??
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Post by on Feb 25, 2008 11:43:11 GMT -6
WOW, I was there and I have to agree with casualfan. #14 was not playing soccer the last 4 min. barbdad you know I know you and respect you and the way you defend your team but the barb coach should have benched #14 for the last 3 min. her head was not in the game and she was determined to dish out as much physical punishment as she could! this all could have been avoided with a whistle and a card!
congrats to both teams on a great season.
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Post by bigsoccerfan on Feb 25, 2008 11:45:47 GMT -6
WOW, I was there and I have to agree with casualfan. #14 was not playing soccer the last 4 min. barbdad you know I know you and respect you and the way you defend your team but the barb coach should have benched #14 for the last 3 min. her head was not in the game and she was determined to dish out as much physical punishment as she could! this all could have been avoided with a whistle and a card! congrats to both teams on a great season. Agree goat.
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Post by diverdo on Feb 25, 2008 12:13:15 GMT -6
I wasn't at the game but regardless of the opinions and "facts" being discussed it should be obvious to all that when #14 came out she should have stayed out and perhaps should have even come out for a mental tuneup earlier. The Barbe coach, the adult in charge, was irresponsible in immediately putting her back in. I assume that she had played most of the game anyway so putting the "senior" back in for the last 3 minutes doesn't hold water. Both teams had great seasons. STM is the champion and deserves it. This game should have ended up in the same sportsmanlike way as the other hard-fought contests between these 2 teams. It didn't because of a conscious, deliberate decision by the coach to put in a player that was not under control. Now with the passage of time I would like to think that the girl involved is mortified at her behavior which I am sure was not normal, and the coach is very embarrassed at his/her lack of leadership.
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Post by saders1fan on Feb 25, 2008 12:35:51 GMT -6
It's a shame that started out as such a wonderful posting of the game, has turned into a cat fight over one players actions. I though that individual players were not supposed to be singled out. I was not at the game so to comment on what went on would be inappropriate. But if you have read any of my other posts in the past, you know I will still have an opinion.: What #14 did on the field was wrong, what the coach did after wards was also wrong. Our bellyaching about the post game incident will only further inflame the animosity of the these two schools and detract from what was only a beautiful game. STM won, Hooray, Barbe you went a lot farther than anyone would have expected in early January, so pat yourselves on the back, there were a lot of other teams that may have even been more deserving of getting to the finals, but they DIDN'T and you did. I feel sorry for the young lady who let her emotions at that moment get out of hand. Maybe the coach did make a mistake sending her back onto the field so some or having seen her antics, should have immediately subbed her back out. But it's past now. I hope #14 goes on to play college ball if that is her goal. If it isn't, she will have to contend with the fact that her last competitve game ended under a dark cloud.
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Post by xmopitchman on Feb 25, 2008 13:04:06 GMT -6
As an ex-ref of 10 yrs., I can say I would have given a second yellow and hopefully ended a large part of the post game foolishness. Both teams played a great game, and this time some of the breaks became goals for STM. They earned them. The 3rd goal was gorgeous. I'm sure both teams will be in the playoffs next year, and will get to see each other at least twice in district. Hopefully the programs will build a rivalry of respect, not revenge.
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Post by rootin4soccor on Feb 25, 2008 17:00:22 GMT -6
I can understand a high school athlete, age 17 or 18 letting her emotions get carried away but a coach or asst. coach is older and is suppose to be more professional in their actions and conduct. To touch a student or even confront a student from the opposing team is unthinkable and that coach should be help responsible for their conduct regardless of the situation.
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Post by bigsoccerfan on Feb 25, 2008 17:35:13 GMT -6
I can understand a high school athlete, age 17 or 18 letting her emotions get carried away but a coach or asst. coach is older and is suppose to be more professional in their actions and conduct. To touch a student or even confront a student from the opposing team is unthinkable and that coach should be help responsible for their conduct regardless of the situation. The coach said nothing wrong to the player. She did touch her and she should have not done that. To confront a player that is yelling at a player on the other team, there is no problem with that. Telling a player to back off, which is what the coach did, you see a problem with that?? I don't. And again, NONE OF THE WOULD HAVE HAPPENED IF #14 WAS TAKEN CARE OF.
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Post by soccerplaya46 on Feb 25, 2008 17:46:05 GMT -6
although i agree with what # 14 did on the field was wrong..i do not agree with the STM players even bringing it up after the game especially the coach..even if she was JUST DEFENDING HER FELLOW PLAYERS..people get fouled in this game of soccer wether purposeful or not in which most people could tell it was bc of #14s anger..but you HAVE TO GET OVER IT...the game was over STM won and they should have left it at that no question..that is not classy on their part especially the coach even for defense of their team..im sure if STM had been losing 3 -0 in a state championship game one of their players would have been fouling too its how the game goes
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Post by bigsoccerfan on Feb 25, 2008 17:53:44 GMT -6
although i agree with what # 14 did on the field was wrong..i do not agree with the STM players even bringing it up after the game especially the coach..even if she was JUST DEFENDING HER FELLOW PLAYERS..people get fouled in this game of soccer wether purposeful or not in which most people could tell it was bc of #14s anger..but you HAVE TO GET OVER IT...the game was over STM won and they should have left it at that no question..that is not classy on their part especially the coach even for defense of their team..im sure if STM had been losing 3 -0 in a state championship game one of their players would have been fouling too its how the game goes So you think after a player takes studs to her leg, which an Arsenal player broke his leg this past Saturday because of a slide tackle with the studs, you go and defend your player. It is not like the game ended 3 minutes after the tackle. The tackle happened as the whistle was being blown. Defending fellow players is not wrong. especially after taking studs to her leg.
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