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Post by lakeview on Feb 21, 2007 18:49:20 GMT -6
Simply loved the quick restart when Manu defeated the French side on Tuesday.
Anyone ever have players complain that play must stop and they are entitled to set up a wall?
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Post by lather on Feb 21, 2007 21:33:07 GMT -6
Yeah, I've had that happen.
I've also had the situation wherein the defense is not retiring, and the kicker protests. After instructing the kicker to 'wait for my whistle', he takes the kick while I'm managing the wall. When I make them retake, I get grief from the coach because I would not allow the 'quick kick'.
Oh, well. It comes with the funny clothes, I guess.
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Post by on Feb 22, 2007 7:10:38 GMT -6
Referees need to be proactive from the moment the foul/infraction has been whistled to ensure that players do not attempt to delay the restart. The moment the whistle has blown, start talking and letting players know to get back. Dont wait until players are standing in front of the ball to start pushing them back.
There is a often a big advantage in quick restarts. This is why defenses want to delay. Referees need to be diligent in preventing this tactic. This is a part of what is called preventitive refereering. The ability to understand tactics, see them developing, and prevent issues before they occur.
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Post by cajunref on Feb 22, 2007 9:43:53 GMT -6
There is also a misconception that 10 yards is required ONLY IF ASKED for by the kicking team. This is not so. All opponents MUST be at least ten (10) yards away in ALL directions from the location of the free kick. If the kicker wishes to have a quick kick, the ref should quickly indicate the spot of the kick and move out to not interfere with the kick.
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Post by PutMeInCoach2 on Feb 22, 2007 22:36:21 GMT -6
There is also a misconception that 10 yards is required ONLY IF ASKED for by the kicking team. This is not so. All opponents MUST be at least ten (10) yards away in ALL directions from the location of the free kick. If the kicker wishes to have a quick kick, the ref should quickly indicate the spot of the kick and move out to not interfere with the kick. There is also a certain position the referee should be in, in order to properly access that the kick is taken properly and nothing off the ball is happening. It is very hard for a ref to be in this position, mark the 10, and allow the start to be taken quickly. Let me rephrase that, it is neverly impossible. I have ref-ed a game where i came in after a hard challenge with the whistle, the player immediately asked for 10, and I told her to wait for the whistle. When I was telling the players to move back, she took the shot then it was complained that I didn't allow the goal. Where does the referee catch some slack? Just food for thought.
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Post by on Feb 23, 2007 6:46:05 GMT -6
When players are asking for the 10 yds, stand in front of the ball so it can't be kicked. Start moving players back using yoice. Also tell the player taking the kick not to put the ball into play until the whistle is blown. Then move to set the wall in the final position. Please do not "step" off 10 yds like a football referee. Referees should know what 10 yds looks like. Use markings that are available. Once wall is set, move to position and start play.
Again, this is all about preventitive refereeing. Be proactive and anticpate what can happen.
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Post by PutMeInCoach2 on Feb 23, 2007 7:40:34 GMT -6
When players are asking for the 10 yds, stand in front of the ball so it can't be kicked. Start moving players back using yoice. Also tell the player taking the kick not to put the ball into play until the whistle is blown. Then move to set the wall in the final position. Please do not "step" off 10 yds like a football referee. Referees should know what 10 yds looks like. Use markings that are available. Once wall is set, move to position and start play. Again, this is all about preventitive refereeing. Be proactive and anticpate what can happen. I guess I could of rephrased, as I moved in position, the player took the shot.
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Post by ronaldo11 on Feb 23, 2007 7:57:11 GMT -6
Too many times - a player asks for ten and then takes it quickly. How many referees here would consider giving a yellow card to the player, simply because you've told them to wait for the whistle, and they havent done so?
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Post by on Feb 23, 2007 8:28:58 GMT -6
Can it be done? certainly, but occasionaly, there may be better ways to deal with it. Examples - free kick outside the 18, player asks for ten, while referee is setting the wall, shot taken and it goes wide. Will they get another chance? Not likely. They tried to be "smart" and they wont get another chance. If the FK is taken and the other teams takes possession, why stop play for the players mistake, go back and give possession to the original team. I'll let the coach chew his player out.
I have seen cards issued for this but never seen it after one time. The butt chewing should suffice. And it should be loud enough that others hear it and are aware. Other players are not likely to do the same thing if they see the consequences.
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Post by misltek on Feb 23, 2007 21:00:12 GMT -6
There is also a misconception that 10 yards is required ONLY IF ASKED for by the kicking team. This is not so. All opponents MUST be at least ten (10) yards away in ALL directions from the location of the free kick. If the kicker wishes to have a quick kick, the ref should quickly indicate the spot of the kick and move out to not interfere with the kick. Agreed! On a dual-system game the lead called a foul (I was trail). He turns his back to the play and runs toward the goal line, as I shifted near the play. A midfielder comes about 1 yd from the ball and starts directing the wall. The offense couldn't effectively put the ball into play. I quickly cautioned the midfielder. This isn't saying to caution the defenders who are 5-7 yds away and moving back...the midfielder had no intention of allowing a quick restart. In my neck of the woods it's sometimes difficult to communicate with players if you only speak English...give em the "hold it" sign, point to the whistle, and set the wall. The ball cannot be properly put into play until you sound the whistle. Works for me.
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Post by happyjack on Feb 23, 2007 22:49:00 GMT -6
There is also a misconception that 10 yards is required ONLY IF ASKED for by the kicking team. This is not so. All opponents MUST be at least ten (10) yards away in ALL directions from the location of the free kick. If the kicker wishes to have a quick kick, the ref should quickly indicate the spot of the kick and move out to not interfere with the kick. not if the foul occured in the goal area and it is an IFK. Also, if a defender is moving back, they don't have to be 10 yards away. and the referee should not be in the way of any player trying to take a kick, period.
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Post by misltek on Feb 23, 2007 23:30:12 GMT -6
Good points (including the exception) happyjack.
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