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Post by biome22 on Jun 18, 2007 22:11:36 GMT -6
Recently in a 7v7 game one teammate of mine was fouled outside of the box. The referee makes the correct call and then proceeds to place the ball in the correct spot of the foul. I asked him if he was all right and he said "no I'm f word not." Unfortunately for him the referee was in earshot of the curse word and gave him a straight red. For those in a 7v7 match, thats crippling to a team. Do any of you have any input on the decision? We were winning 1-0 up to the card and afterwords the opposing team had scored 10 goals, so obviously red carding due to language has some pretty hefty costs.
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Post by furriner on Jun 19, 2007 7:10:48 GMT -6
technically, the ref may have been right. Personally, unless it is directed AT me, the ARs or another player, I tend to let it go. I generally go with the rule of thumb (and hammer). When I can say "gosh" when I hit my thumb with a hammer, then I will go with a higher level: until then, I see similar language to above as natural reaction....
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Post by foxtrot on Jun 19, 2007 8:10:17 GMT -6
I think players should receive only a warning or "maybe" a yellow for cursing to tell you the truth.. our team played a team from Ireland who was cursing every second of the game and they weren't even warned.. the ref laughed most of the time... but yet the game afterwards left our player with a card when he cursed.. i really didn't understand the rules of "language" after that tournament
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Post by cajunref on Jun 19, 2007 9:40:52 GMT -6
I would like to emphasis to players and other refs, please be aware of kids and ladies on the the sidelines. Rule of thumb for me is if they can hear it, it's a card. These kids and ladies should not be subject to this sort of language, especially coming from teenage players.
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Post by pompey on Jun 19, 2007 13:11:01 GMT -6
For all you British over 30 yrs old..........."Language Timothy!!"
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Post by lakeview on Jun 19, 2007 20:18:32 GMT -6
yellow. unless his prior conduct would add to this offense.
to many refs, however, the "magic word" warrants a red.
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Post by furriner on Jun 20, 2007 7:13:44 GMT -6
For all you British over 30 yrs old..........."Language Timothy!!" Sorry, father!
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Post by PutMeInCoach2 on Jun 21, 2007 19:59:23 GMT -6
"Launguage is a straight red" and some refs card it.
I am guilty of not doing so. Depending the age, I will let it go and just say lets cut it out. However, if its in a U-12 game, I usually issue a yellow card without warning. To me its not language they are getting the card for, its unsporting and that is how I justfy the yellow and not the red.
However, I did a game when a guy some this team sucks loud, and I issued a yellow, another said what's up with that?, I issued a yellow, another said F im tired, and then the last said I home the game is f-in over soon.. (all this happened on a corner back to back to back after the card was issued to the prior one). Finally after that I didn't hear any more f bombs come out.
At the same time I have had a player run by me and say Saint under his breathe. I just jogged with him as the freekick was set up and told him to watch it and not say it out loud.
I have recieved cards for saying the F bomb when i got clipped from behind and it hurt like hell.. I got the foul, but also the yellow.
So technically I say use your position... However, if the offense is recorded as foul language, then the red should be properly issued because that is what the laws state. However if you rule it as misconduct, it's a yellow. Referee's choice.
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Post by furriner on Jun 22, 2007 6:56:28 GMT -6
While Law 12 states a rede for "uses offensive or insulting or abusive language and/or gestures ", I guess it comes down to what is considered offensive. I have done adult games where a player is frustrated throughout the entire game and is cursing like a trouper. He apologized to me at the half, and I told him to forget it, my wife calls me worse before leaving the house.
Context has to be the issue. If it directed AT me, another official or player, then cards may be required. I refer back to the hammer analogy above.
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Post by brhsoccer14 on Jun 22, 2007 9:13:39 GMT -6
Are you sure there wasn't more to it than that? Did the sent off player do anything else than just say that? Was that exactly what was said and to whom it was said? I'm not saying what you said didn't happen, but sometimes one can miss a valuable piece of information that wasn't thought to be important but it turns out to be a huge factor.
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Post by biome22 on Jun 22, 2007 11:32:14 GMT -6
This could be possible because i was playing in the back. However i know that the player didn't do anything else. He was a little frustrated for being sent off but he held his tounge and didn't say anything else. As far as i know that was the only curse word said.
Also would that player be suspended for the next game for a straight red.
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Post by foxtrot on Jun 22, 2007 11:44:34 GMT -6
The Ireland team that we played definately cursed at every call the ref made the entire game.. it was usually either just telling the ref or the player that he (himself) fouled and look at them and just say "F youuuuu" or "F offff" or "That's F'n Shhhhttt"...
That was a weird game for there not to be cards flying out like crazy hah then in the game afterwards a guy on my team said the F word in frustration and got carded... I know that cursing is in an Irish person's language but it's in other ppl's too lol
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Post by pompey on Jun 22, 2007 12:05:35 GMT -6
I know that cursing is in an Irish person's language ..............but, surely that does not excuse it, right??
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Post by tonygalinto on Jun 22, 2007 12:57:52 GMT -6
This could be possible because i was playing in the back. However i know that the player didn't do anything else. He was a little frustrated for being sent off but he held his tounge and didn't say anything else. As far as i know that was the only curse word said. Also would that player be suspended for the next game for a straight red. A player sent off for a straight red OR a second yellow is suspended for the next game in the Super Seven League. The referees wear the USSF patch which signifies the game is sanctioned by the USSF. Under USSF rules any player sent off is automatically suspended for at least the next game, even if the card is appealed.
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Post by upper90 on Jun 22, 2007 15:59:36 GMT -6
I got sent off earlier this year during high school season playing against Neville for saying the "F-bomb" under my breath. It was a close game where we were tied 1-1 with about 10 minutes to go and I got taken down hard in the box with no call. Of course I was frustrated, so I walked away and kicked the ground and said "f---" under my breath where I wouldn't think anyone could hear me. Well obviously the referee heard me and thought I was talking to him, but with no hesitation, gave me a straight red. I can understand giving me a card for that, but getting sent off is a bit much especially at a crucial point of the game like that. We lost that game 3-1 after I got sent off, so obviously it made a difference. The referee and I also don't get along at all, and he holds grudges, and I think that is why he gave me a straight red. I played with his son, and for some reason that I don't know, never seemed to like me. Do you guys agree with the card?
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Post by PutMeInCoach2 on Jun 22, 2007 17:48:46 GMT -6
I got sent off earlier this year during high school season playing against Neville for saying the "F-bomb" under my breath. It was a close game where we were tied 1-1 with about 10 minutes to go and I got taken down hard in the box with no call. Of course I was frustrated, so I walked away and kicked the ground and said "f---" under my breath where I wouldn't think anyone could hear me. Well obviously the referee heard me and thought I was talking to him, but with no hesitation, gave me a straight red. I can understand giving me a card for that, but getting sent off is a bit much especially at a crucial point of the game like that. We lost that game 3-1 after I got sent off, so obviously it made a difference. The referee and I also don't get along at all, and he holds grudges, and I think that is why he gave me a straight red. I played with his son, and for some reason that I don't know, never seemed to like me. Do you guys agree with the card? Technically rather I agree or not, the referee was right because you used foul and offensive language. So the law states he was right, lol. However, like I said before unless I see it directed towards somebody I will usually warn then caution, or if it becomes consistant just caution. Its the "interpretation" of the laws by the referee. All you can ask for is that he is consistation of his calls.
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Post by upper90 on Jun 22, 2007 23:42:26 GMT -6
Yea, I agree I should have gotten a card and that I was wrong on saying that. But the problem is that he has a problem with my family (a problem which no one in our family has a clue of what it actually is), and that he holds grudges against the players that he referee's. I told my coach after that had happened, and I know he reffed one more game after that, but from then on, hasn't reffed another one of my games.
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Post by biome22 on Jun 23, 2007 18:54:21 GMT -6
Hopefully in a close game like the one PHSsoccer played in the referee would have had better judgement. In some circumstances red carding due to what the players say can completely alter the game.
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Post by tonygalinto on Jun 23, 2007 19:51:42 GMT -6
The answer to all the issues raised here is very simple. Instead of blaming referees for sending you off, do not curse and say things that can be a legitimate send-off offense under the NF and USSF. Simply play the game and keep the old mouth shut. That ends all the controversy concerning language and whether or not that particular language deserved a yellow or red. It's really a simple solution to the all the problems raised on this language thread.
PHSsoccer16 If you really think a referee has it in for you, why in the world would you give that referee a completely legitimate reason to send you off by cursing on the field. If it was me I would be extra careful to not give that referee a free shot like that at me
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Post by lakeview on Jun 24, 2007 12:04:52 GMT -6
tony, well done. Best answer by far. Why give the ref the chance to make a decision?
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