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Post by PutMeInCoach2 on Jun 24, 2007 12:09:29 GMT -6
tony, well done. Best answer by far. Why give the ref the chance to make a decision? This is true, but sometimes because of bad habits it just slips, and I can understand that. I myself got slid tackled from behind cleats up and got caught in my planted achilies and the F bomb came out awefully quick. We both recieved a yellow. However, I didn't complain at the call. However, the fans in the stadium started boo-ing when i recieved the yellow as well. That is the case of not knowing what was said on the field
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Post by upper90 on Jun 24, 2007 12:35:36 GMT -6
Yea, it's not like I was trying to piss him off. It just slipped out. But yea, I know it was my fault, and I took my punishment.
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Post by on Jun 24, 2007 17:48:13 GMT -6
So many interpretations...... Here is the "official word" from the Advice to Referees. If interested, the link images.ussoccer.com/Documents/cms/ussf/AdvicetoRef06.pdfSection 12.31 Evaluating Language The referee should judge offensive, insulting or abusive language according to its content (the specific words or actions used), the extent to which the language can be heard by others beyond the immediate vicinity of the player and whether the language is directed at officials, opponents or teammates. In evaluating language as misconduct, the referee must take into account the particular circumstances in which the actions occurred and deal reasonably with language that was clearly the result of a momentary outburst. The referee must take care not to inject purely personal opinions as to the nature of the language when determining a course of action. The referee's primary focus must be on the effective management of the match and the players on the context of the overall feel for the Spirit of the Game. _________________________________ And now my opinion. In the case of the player who was fouled, laying on the ground being sent off, I would have to be there and see it. Without seeing it, I cannot comment if the actions were correct. But one thing to be considered; this is the player who was fouled. They are fouled, perhaps injured. Is he/she upset? Very likely, especially if hurt. Are they upset? Perhaps. So they utter a curse in that mode and spirit. With the send off of the fouled player, who really got penalized? Was justice fairly dispensed? Those are the real questions that should be answered by the referee. In amateur leagues, there is more likely to be language. If every F Bomb was a red, we'd never finish a game. But the huge majority of those are utterances of frustration. Usually a word from the referee to that person handles it. Directed at another player? new ball game. In youth leagues, there is less tolerance. At many regionals I have attended, the referees have been given instruction for zero tolerance of language. And lastly, one comment that bothered me a little bit....and I will paraphrase a bit. Under USSF, all reds are a one game sit down. Not true. Leagues determine the penalty for games to sit out. Some leagues have a one game suspension for 2 yellows or straight red. Some have a two game for straight red. Premier league, state cups all have certain rules. Some leagues have no suspension for reds (although rare and uncommon). It is a standard but not a requirement. And the easy way? Say nothing as suggested. True. But we know this beautiful game is an emotional game. Driven by passion and emotion. I have seen calm people off the field lose it on the field. Sometimes it happens......
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Post by tonygalinto on Jun 24, 2007 20:38:17 GMT -6
I was taking my info from a USSF memorandum concerning a mandatory one game suspension for a send off under a USSF santioned league game. Please refer to the USSF memo dated November 2003 titled "Subject: Automatic Suspension Following an Expulsion from a Match". images.ussoccer.com/Documents/cms/ussf/Automatic_Suspension.pdfThe memo makes it very clear that no state association under USSF can decide to not enforce the one game suspension for ANY send off other than misidentification of a player by the referee. Of course the states can make the one game suspension more, but not less than one. Below are some statements in the above memo. All competition authorities under USSF must ensure that their disciplinary procedures take these clarifications into consideration. • A one game suspension is mandatory following a send-off (red card). • The suspension may be extended for more serious offenses but it cannot be reduced, no matter what the reason was for the send-off. • The suspension must be served even if it is being appealed. Under no circumstances can the fact of an appeal be used to suspend or delay the suspension. • All appeals must be decided quickly, before the match is played for which the affected player would be suspended. If the send-off was erroneous due to an obvious error in identifying the player, this appeal can be resolved quickly because the error was obvious; if the error was not obvious, the appeal will be quickly resolved by rejecting it.
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Post by on Jun 25, 2007 10:28:32 GMT -6
When one is wrong, they need to fess up. Tony, I sent an inquiry to USSF headquarters and your statements are indeed 100% accurate. The memorandum does apply to all levels, all leagues if under the LSA/USSF umbrella.
Leagues can impose harsher penalties but a one game suspension is required.
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Post by tonygalinto on Jun 25, 2007 11:39:26 GMT -6
When one is wrong, they need to fess up. Tony, I sent an inquiry to USSF headquarters and your statements are indeed 100% accurate. The memorandum does apply to all levels, all leagues if under the LSA/USSF umbrella. Leagues can impose harsher penalties but a one game suspension is required. The only reason I was knowledgeable about the matter was because a local league a while back was trying to let players appeal a red card and continue to play until the appeal was heard. That's when we researched the matter through USSF and brought it before the local association to show they couldn't let that go on. Thanks for saying you were mistaken, instead of just not saying anything when you found out it applies to everyone, not just pro leagues.
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