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Post by furriner on Jan 30, 2009 14:59:46 GMT -6
Dulac, a far better "passive aggressive" approach would have been to include the following in the report, " due to LHSAA instruction not to collect rosters, player name is not available. Please contact coach if this information is considered important".
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Post by DYNAMOFAN on Jan 31, 2009 12:43:19 GMT -6
I know some of you are ref's, i'm not , so I don't know the proper way to handle a player who is red carded leaving and running his mouth. I will say that the game in question was not influenced in any way. The player was given a second yellow(soft red) and sent off and then as he was walking off said something and was given another red. His team did not play a man down. I think the only thing that could be an issue is a fine??? and if the ref puts what happened in his report (and i'm sure he will) any rule issue can be worked out.
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Post by futbolislife on Feb 1, 2009 7:11:03 GMT -6
It was just a very interesting scenario that made several of us have to put on our thinking caps.
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Post by barbedad20 on Feb 1, 2009 14:01:07 GMT -6
St Louis boys vs Westminster yesterday. Last 20 minutes of the game there were 4 soft reds and 1 straight reds (all against West). Have you ever been apart of a game with 5 red cards. I have never seen a game turn from a good 2-1 game to a game that got out of control. It was not fun to watch.
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Post by happyjack on Feb 1, 2009 15:56:04 GMT -6
I have, all straight from a fight. I have also watched one that had 7 reds on the field, 4 on the bench, and a coach sent...neither was pretty
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Post by futbolislife on Feb 2, 2009 8:40:44 GMT -6
All it taskes for a game to go south is one incident. And have that incident result in players not feeling justice was dispensed. The players will then become the dispensers of justice and it wont be pretty.
Right Happy?
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Post by chelsea007 on Feb 8, 2009 20:07:55 GMT -6
I've seen two reds. It was very similar to what happened above. The team then had to play with ten men. 80% of the time, I will concur with the red given to one of my players. If that is the case, they will recieve a minimum 1 game suspension. The 20% that I disagree with, I will allow the player to play. We don't recivee many so it is a rare event. The one recieved this year was pretty harsh. The suspension was still metered out because it wasn't an incorrect call, but if I were in the middle, I would have given two yellows (one to each of the two players involved). I have also found that a red is rarely given when refs are on top of the game. When a red is used to maintain control, that should tell you something. By in large though, refs do a very good job hence so few reds. Like I said, 80% of the time I would have no issues.
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Post by futbolislife on Feb 9, 2009 8:11:41 GMT -6
Amen. I have said this so often. Most (not all) red cards are avoidable if the referee understands the players emotions and why things are happening. If they are just watching and reacting, instead of anticipating, reds may be inevitable. The worst reds are usually cases of players dispensing their own justice since they do not perceive the referee is doing it for them.
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Post by furriner on Feb 18, 2009 9:52:19 GMT -6
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Post by Steven Gerrard on Jan 1, 2010 10:31:11 GMT -6
I actually discussed this with the LHSAA Rules interpreter after my last post because it is such an unusual circumstance. He concurred with me. And since you know who this person is, I think you would agree his status and credentials are fairly sound and I would weigh his opinion very heavily. When the player is shown a red, he is at that instant no longer a player. Thats the real key here. The referee should report what happened but cannot all of a sudden add a greater penalty. Lets go further. In most situations, referees allow players on before a player leaves. So to take it further, lets suppose Player A is shown a "soft red". He is walking off and his replacement comes on. At that instance when the referee allows the second player on, that is the new player. Now will you argue that if I show Player A a second red, I will make a player leave? This is all the same. Using the same logic. You show a player a red for VC. Then as he walks off, he gives you some F&AL. Would this situation change if the first card was a soft red? Absolutely not. You wouldn't make the team play two players down. A red is a red. You cant show him another red and send off another player. I stand by my opinion and believe the referee erred, assuming he now made the team play a player down. Very interesting discussion. A few questions, just so that I can get a better understanding on what to do if this situation arises. If a player is shown a red card, then he is no longer considered a field player right at that point, correct? Even if his substitute has not been called onto the field (if it was a "soft" red)? So, if given a second red card, you would not force his team to play a man down. But, can he still get the second red? If he uses AL after getting his soft red? Because, can't a bench player get a red card for AL? So, would giving a second red card be the appropriate thing to do in that situation? Assuming it was warranted by the AL. Or, do you just write down the AL on your report? Of course, it should be irrelevant to the report since it occurred after the soft red had been issued (the reason for the report). OK, everyone, go ahead and correct me. Thanks.
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