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Post by wolfdad on Dec 13, 2009 21:18:16 GMT -6
I know what the penalties are at the time the yellow/red card is given. What are the penalties afterward? Mainly for those receiving a red card.
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Post by goalieguy on Dec 13, 2009 21:59:10 GMT -6
the school is fined around $200 i think..
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Post by makeleleman24 on Dec 13, 2009 22:24:03 GMT -6
im not sure about high school but good question goalieguy i wonder if the school does get fined i am pretty sure you get fined in club though
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Post by Pitchstalker on Dec 13, 2009 22:28:08 GMT -6
Each time a player is sent off the coach has to complete a disqualification form and send to the LHSAA
A players first offense has no consequence the second is a fine to the school the third a fine AND the player is disqualified from playing the remainder of the year!
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Post by makeleleman24 on Dec 13, 2009 22:35:58 GMT -6
so 3 red cards and goodbye soccer season
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Post by goat on Dec 13, 2009 22:39:17 GMT -6
Pitch is it 3 reds no matter how they got them? For example if a player gets a yellow yellow-red does it count the same as a straight red?
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Post by makeleleman24 on Dec 13, 2009 22:42:46 GMT -6
no thats a soft red
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Post by PutMeInCoach2 on Dec 13, 2009 23:33:39 GMT -6
Pitch is it 3 reds no matter how they got them? For example if a player gets a yellow yellow-red does it count the same as a straight red? goat, i really dont remember, but i wanna say it doesn't matter how you get them, 3 ejections and your done.
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Post by loJic on Dec 13, 2009 23:52:54 GMT -6
Pitch is it 3 reds no matter how they got them? For example if a player gets a yellow yellow-red does it count the same as a straight red? goat, i really dont remember, but i wanna say it doesn't matter how you get them, 3 ejections and your done. Yeah it's 3 and your done. No matter if it's yellow/yellow or red. I found that out the hard way. We had a GK last year who thought he was playing strong safety.
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Post by beauchenecoach on Dec 14, 2009 0:24:04 GMT -6
NO... its only straight Reds. Yellow-Yellow reds are like fouling out in basketball. Refs are not supposed to file reports on anything other than EJECTIONS for Unsportsmanlike Conduct. If you have been unfairly accused of this by the LHSAA thinking a yellow/yellow was a straight Red violation (happens as some are not familiar with the rules of soccer), you should appeal it and report what really happened.
6.11.10 Player ejected from a contest in a sport for unsportsmanlike conduct: First offense – the player shall receive, through the school, an official warning. Second offense – the school shall be fined $100, and the student shall be placed on probation. Third offense – the school shall be fined $200, and the student shall be suspended from participating in the same sport for the remainder of the season.
6.11.12 Coach ejected from a contest in a sport for unsportsmanlike conduct: First offense – the coach shall receive an official warning. Second offense – the school shall be fined $200, and the coach shall be placed on probation. Third offense – the school shall be fined $300 and may be prohibited from playing in a contest(s) with the coach serving as the coach of the team in the contest(s).
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Post by PutMeInCoach2 on Dec 14, 2009 0:25:57 GMT -6
see how much I know!
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Post by loJic on Dec 14, 2009 0:28:39 GMT -6
NO... its only straight Reds. Yellow-Yellow reds are like fouling out in basketball. Refs are not supposed to file reports on anything other than EJECTIONS for Unsportsmanlike Conduct. If you have been unfairly accused of this by the LHSAA thinking a yellow/yellow was a straight Red violation (happens as some are not familiar with the rules of soccer), you should appeal it and report what really happened. 6.11.10 Player ejected from a contest in a sport for unsportsmanlike conduct: First offense – the player shall receive, through the school, an official warning. Second offense – the school shall be fined $100, and the student shall be placed on probation. Third offense – the school shall be fined $200, and the student shall be suspended from participating in the same sport for the remainder of the season. 6.11.12 Coach ejected from a contest in a sport for unsportsmanlike conduct: First offense – the coach shall receive an official warning. Second offense – the school shall be fined $200, and the coach shall be placed on probation. Third offense – the school shall be fined $300 and may be prohibited from playing in a contest(s) with the coach serving as the coach of the team in the contest(s). If my memory serves me right, which we shouldn't really account for. My player got his last ejection from a yellow/yellow and was banned for the rest of the year. I could be wrong. He may have been told to not come back by the refs because he constantly gave them headaches.
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Post by beauchenecoach on Dec 14, 2009 0:45:21 GMT -6
Now if he did something after the second yellow that was unsportsmanlike, that could be it as well. The key thing here is UNSPORTSMANLIKE... a straight red. I am going to work on getting the language on that made more clear when dealing with soccer. Only certain red cards should count towards this in my opinion. Does a technical or intentional foul in basketball count towards this 3 strike rule? A yellow/yellow is like fouling out in basketball. In basketball, you are allowed 2 technical fouls... in soccer, only one red card. We need to have the language represent what the RED CARD is for. Is it for a slide tackle? Is it being the last defender and committing a foul? These red cards should not count towards this 3 strike rule. Only straight reds for fighting, violent conduct, dissent, ect... should count toward this 3 strike rule. That is my opinion and I would like to work on getting this language clarified for soccer.
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Post by Pitchstalker on Dec 14, 2009 5:47:43 GMT -6
I wouldn't "count on" the LHSAA interpretting a "soft red" as being any different from a red. In their eyes it's a disqualification.
The language in those rules above are written to cover ALL sports "under the same blanket". They aren't written specifically for soccer.
I agree that maybe something more specific should be written, but until that happens - if you have someone with 3 reds regardless of how it happens - I wouldn't count on having that person around the rest of the year.
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Post by trf on Dec 14, 2009 6:58:30 GMT -6
How does that apply to tournaments? Same?
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Post by northlasoccerdad on Dec 14, 2009 8:14:18 GMT -6
OK... someone help me here. I believe that "unsporting behavior (conduct)" is a yellow card (caution) offense, not a red card (ejection) offense. That's true in both USSF and NFHS rules. Two yellow cards for unsporting behavior (or anything else) results in a red (USSF) or a "soft red" (NFHS).
NHFS rules add a "soft red" for "any delayed, excessive or prolonged acts(s) by which a player(s) attempts to focus attention upon himself/herself and/ or prohibits timely restart of the game". They also add a "red" for "taunting".
So I don't understand references to a "straight red" for unsporting behavior. I don't think there is such a thing. If a referee reports it as such, I believe that the team has a right to file an appeal.
Maybe part of the problem is that LHSAA uses the term "ejection for unsportsmanlike conduct", a term which NFHS does not use. I guess "unsportsmanlike conduct" is open to interpretation by LSHAA and could include all sorts of mischief.
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Post by beauchenecoach on Dec 14, 2009 8:22:52 GMT -6
I wouldn't "count on" the LHSAA interpretting a "soft red" as being any different from a red. In their eyes it's a disqualification. The language in those rules above are written to cover ALL sports "under the same blanket". They aren't written specifically for soccer. I agree that maybe something more specific should be written, but until that happens - if you have someone with 3 reds regardless of how it happens - I wouldn't count on having that person around the rest of the year. We never had a player get reported for double yellow red ejection. We did for straight reds and did self report as well per the rules. I think it depends on the officials associations and if they report it. By what you are saying pitch... then shouldn't a basketball player who fouls out 3 times in a season be done for the year?
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Post by Pitchstalker on Dec 14, 2009 10:05:17 GMT -6
Like I said before - I agree the wording needs to be changed. A double yellow shouldn't count the same. I just wouldn't "count on" the LHSAA interpreting things the way "we" expect them to.
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Post by BRSC-Coach on Dec 14, 2009 11:53:26 GMT -6
I can help shed a little light here. Last year one of my players picked up his 2nd yellow card in a tournament in Baton Rouge. The 2nd yellow was for dangerous play (a high kick to try and collect the ball in a crowd).
A couple weeks later I got a call from our Athletic Director asking about the "unsportsmanlike conduct letter" that the Principal at the school got from the LHSAA. I explained that the "dangerous play" (high kick) is what caused the 2nd yellow. After a few minutes explaining the situation we were on the same page. But when these reports get sent in they do have some bite. This type of letter goes out to the "offending" player's Principal anytime a player is "ejected" from a game. Soccer is different but evidently the LHSAA does not recognize the difference between a "soft red" and a "hard red". Maybe the LHSCA can help address this issue.
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Post by Pitchstalker on Dec 14, 2009 13:13:59 GMT -6
The other issue here is the REFEREES processing the disqualification. If the ref doesn't report a red card or a "soft red", then as far as the LHSAA knows it didn't happen.
From what I can gather some refs do report them and some do not - is that equitable?
NO - especially if it is regional based. For example, and this is just an example not based on factual information....what if Lafayette area refs have made it their normal practice to only send in reports on straight REDS for a specific type of action, let's say fighting. And they do not send reports in on REDS for language or soft reds for other fouls. However, another organization, for the sake of argument, let's say Baton Rouge....sends in reports on ANY Red.
Then if that's occuring that's highly irregular and very much puts teams at a disadvantage in regards to the rules in place.
I'd like to think that it isn't being done in that manner but who knows....probably more of an issue of "individual" referees just not wanting to follow up with paperwork.
HOWEVER - it WOULD be nice to get it SPELLED OUT more specifically for ALL involved.
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