All State 2010 Division II

[wmsoccerdad]

DIVISION II GIRLS
ALL-STATE 2009-2010

FIRST TEAM
Maggie Adams Junior Loyola
Jenci Anzalone Senior Teurlings Catholic
Amy Canazaro Junior Neville
Anna Champagne Senior Vandebilt Catholic
Cydney Chatters Senior St. Louis Catholic
Rahseema Clark Senior St. Louis Catholic
Rachel Coronel Junior DeRidder
Macie Foreman Senior Teurlings Catholic
Ali Gallier Senior St. Louis Catholic
Sarah Hollier Junior Teurlings Catholic
Claire Mosley Senior St. Louis Catholic
Claire Peltier Senior Teurlings Catholic
Megan Philp Sophomore Vandebilt Catholic
Justine Russell Senior Loyola
Ashlyn Verrett Senior St. Michael

SECOND TEAM
Jodi Chatters Sophomore St. Louis Catholic
Laci Clause Senior Teurlings Catholic
Katie Jayde Cunningham 7th Grade Calvary Baptist
Katie DeHart Senior Morgan City
Brandi Martin Sophomore St. Michael
Sydne Neal Senior Vandebilt Catholic
Caroline Tullos Sophomore Calvary Baptist
Rachel Vizza Sophomore Calvary Baptist

PLAYER OF THE YEAR – Rahseema Clark, St. Louis Catholic

COACH OF THE YEAR – Shelley McMillian, Calvary Baptist

[lcpmom]

Congrats to the NWLA girls from Loyola and CBA, all of you certainly were the reasons that DIID1 moved so deep into the playoffs. Justine-you certainly deserved it -great season, it will be hard to see someone else as sweeper next year and Maggie-we need another repeat next season for LCP to be able to win the most competitive district in DII especially with Calvary young and hungry.

[sooner]

Congrats to the deserving players... and to all those who successfully lobbied for the rest. Condolences to the many deserving players who didn't get named.

[lcpsoccermom]

Congratulations to all the players, and to all the players from NLA, I am very proud of all of you. As to names left off, the one that jumps out at me is #23 from Vandebilt. I don't know her name, but she was outstanding in the game against us. Lauren Preston from Ruston also deserves mention.

Also, congratulations to Shelley for Coach of the Year. She is well deserving of this honor. After all shes has done for soccer in NLA and then to take this Calvary program their first year in D2 is amazing.

[littleone11]

Mar 7, 2010 10:23:54 GMT -6 lcpsoccermom said:

Congratulations to all the players, and to all the players from NLA, I am very proud of all of you. As to names left off, the one that jumps out at me is #23 from Vandebilt. I don't know her name, but she was outstanding in the game against us. Lauren Preston from Ruston also deserves mention.

Also, congratulations to Shelley for Coach of the Year. She is well deserving of this honor. After all shes has done for soccer in NLA and then to take this Calvary program their first year in D2 is amazing.

#23 is Makelle Pena. She is a freshman but im very surprised she did not get all-state. But also Congrats to coach Shelley. Her and her team's accomplishments this year were great and I agree that she was very deserving of the Coach of the Year award.

[shutout]

CONGRATS TO ALL OF THE ALL-STATE GIRLS! WHAT A GREAT YEAR IN Division II!

[sooner]

Does anybody know who voted? Were there a substantial number of coaches who did not vote?
If I had to guess, I'd guess that only the semifinal coaches and maybe a couple of their chums did all the choosing.

[b2b]

In response to your question,yes a substantial number of coaches voted,but it would be better if more coaches did participate.What are your qualifications that allow you to make such negative comments on more than one thread about the process?The majority of coaches that participate nominate players from throughout the state,are they players we have seen play,of course,that is the responsible way to handle the process.Is it perfect?NO,but we do as much fact finding as possible.As to your comment about our chums and neighbors,even if this was the case,i bet our chums and neighbors are more informed about high school then you.I can guarantee you that as coaches we take this responsibility seriously and do everything possible to educate ourselves so that we can make the best decisions possible,we don,t just guess like some uninformed people who make random accusations on this site.Contrary to your opinion we do not lobby or block vote for any player.All players who made the All-State team are deserving of the honor and did so on the merits of their ability on the field and not by shady back room deals.If you are not satisfied with the process because one of your favorite players did not make the list,contact your high school coach and make sure they participated in the process. The answer to your question may be in your own neighborhood.

[beauchenecoach]

Mar 8, 2010 16:31:42 GMT -6 b2b said:

In response to your question,yes a substantial number of coaches voted,but it would be better if more coaches did participate.What are your qualifications that allow you to make such negative comments on more than one thread about the process?The majority of coaches that participate nominate players from throughout the state,are they players we have seen play,of course,that is the responsible way to handle the process.Is it perfect?NO,but we do as much fact finding as possible.As to your comment about our chums and neighbors,even if this was the case,i bet our chums and neighbors are more informed about high school then you.I can guarantee you that as coaches we take this responsibility seriously and do everything possible to educate ourselves so that we can make the best decisions possible,we don,t just guess like some uninformed people who make random accusations on this site.Contrary to your opinion we do not lobby or block vote for any player.All players who made the All-State team are deserving of the honor and did so on the merits of their ability on the field and not by shady back room deals.If you are not satisfied with the process because one of your favorite players did not make the list,contact your high school coach and make sure they participated in the process. The answer to your question may be in your own neighborhood.

Excellent! ;D

[mswilb]

Mar 8, 2010 16:31:42 GMT -6 b2b said:

In response to your question,yes a substantial number of coaches voted,but it would be better if more coaches did participate.What are your qualifications that allow you to make such negative comments on more than one thread about the process?The majority of coaches that participate nominate players from throughout the state,are they players we have seen play,of course,that is the responsible way to handle the process.Is it perfect?NO,but we do as much fact finding as possible.As to your comment about our chums and neighbors,even if this was the case,i bet our chums and neighbors are more informed about high school then you.I can guarantee you that as coaches we take this responsibility seriously and do everything possible to educate ourselves so that we can make the best decisions possible,we don,t just guess like some uninformed people who make random accusations on this site.Contrary to your opinion we do not lobby or block vote for any player.All players who made the All-State team are deserving of the honor and did so on the merits of their ability on the field and not by shady back room deals.If you are not satisfied with the process because one of your favorite players did not make the list,contact your high school coach and make sure they participated in the process. The answer to your question may be in your own neighborhood.

Well said

[sooner]

Mar 8, 2010 16:31:42 GMT -6 b2b said:

In response to your question,yes a substantial number of coaches voted,but it would be better if more coaches did participate.What are your qualifications that allow you to make such negative comments on more than one thread about the process?The majority of coaches that participate nominate players from throughout the state,are they players we have seen play,of course,that is the responsible way to handle the process.Is it perfect?NO,but we do as much fact finding as possible.As to your comment about our chums and neighbors,even if this was the case,i bet our chums and neighbors are more informed about high school then you.I can guarantee you that as coaches we take this responsibility seriously and do everything possible to educate ourselves so that we can make the best decisions possible,we don,t just guess like some uninformed people who make random accusations on this site.Contrary to your opinion we do not lobby or block vote for any player.All players who made the All-State team are deserving of the honor and did so on the merits of their ability on the field and not by shady back room deals.If you are not satisfied with the process because one of your favorite players did not make the list,contact your high school coach and make sure they participated in the process. The answer to your question may be in your own neighborhood.

OK. Fair enough. I have been pretty snarky about the selection. Of course I don't have hard evidence of anything, and indeed I'm griping because my ox and my friends' oxen have been gored (even though the oxen themselves don't actually give a d***; I know mine doesn't.) But this is the internet not the defense of a doctoral dissertation, so I still submit that it is implausible that the list contains the 23 best players in D-II. The presence of so many players from the semifinal teams just looks fishy, doesn't it? I think many people out there agree, but they're classier than I am, so they stay out of it. Anyway there can always be some legitimate argument about who belongs, but please note that I name no names and don't hint at any specific players being undeserving or more deserving. I admit a certain lack of qualification, but I concede nothing!

As for conspiracy and bias: I do not think you can seriously deny that there's bias. If you are happier that NLA players or players from your school made it; you are biased in their favor. It may be a lot or it may be nearly insignificant, but it's there because there is no purely objective basis for selection. It's one reason why the system isn't "perfect" and never will be. Again, this is the internet, not a court of law, so I stick my tongue out at you again.


The serious part of my question is treated that way; I give you full credit for that. You basically confirm that certain coaches failed or declined to participate and that it's their own fault that the results are as imperfect as they are. The best way to overcome inherent bias is to have multiple viewpoints to balance and inform each other. That some coaches forfeited their participation is a bad thing for all.

[soccerfan54]

so im just wondering why there are more from teurlings than vandy...? It just seems odd.

[sooner]

Mar 9, 2010 14:43:53 GMT -6 soccerfan54 said:

so im just wondering why there are more from teurlings than vandy...? It just seems odd.

HERETIC !

[soccerfan54]

Mar 9, 2010 14:48:52 GMT -6 sooner said:

Mar 9, 2010 14:43:53 GMT -6 soccerfan54 said:

so im just wondering why there are more from teurlings than vandy...? It just seems odd.

HERETIC !

haha

[b2b]

Wow sooner,if you would have started your discussion with your second post,i probably would have been too intimidated to answer,you had me going to my dictionary to respond to your reply!I am sure that both you and your friend have some fine oxen and i am truely sorry that they got gored in the process.The "hot button" of my response was what i percieved as a cheap shot to the coaches that actually participated in the process,i can assure you that we wish we had a perfect process,but we are truely doing the best we can with the limited amount of participation from coaches.Even with a "perfect system" some people would not be happy.You are probably correct in stating that these are not the best 20 something players in D2,but the list is for All-State,doesn't claim to be 20 Best.By that i mean it is only natural that there is more representation from playoff teams,since these were the most successful teams and it would seem reasonable that they contained successful and skilled players.Is that the absolute case,even i say no.You and i do agree that more participation is required to make the process better.As a coach,i can honestly tell you i take no satisfaction in the heartbreak of players,that's why most of us coaches do the very best we can with post season awards.For the purpose of full disclosure--Coach Philip Amedee Vandebilt Girls Soccer--I wish you and your friends oxen the very best in their future!

[sooner]

Mar 9, 2010 16:35:21 GMT -6 b2b said:

Wow sooner,if you would have started your discussion with your second post,i probably would have been too intimidated to answer,you had me going to my dictionary to respond to your reply!I am sure that both you and your friend have some fine oxen and i am truely sorry that they got gored in the process.The "hot button" of my response was what i percieved as a cheap shot to the coaches that actually participated in the process,i can assure you that we wish we had a perfect process,but we are truely doing the best we can with the limited amount of participation from coaches.Even with a "perfect system" some people would not be happy.You are probably correct in stating that these are not the best 20 something players in D2,but the list is for All-State,doesn't claim to be 20 Best.By that i mean it is only natural that there is more representation from playoff teams,since these were the most successful teams and it would seem reasonable that they contained successful and skilled players.Is that the absolute case,even i say no.You and i do agree that more participation is required to make the process better.As a coach,i can honestly tell you i take no satisfaction in the heartbreak of players,that's why most of us coaches do the very best we can with post season awards.For the purpose of full disclosure--Coach Philip Amedee Vandebilt Girls Soccer--I wish you and your friends oxen the very best in their future!

Thanks, Coach. That made me laugh. Your thoughtful response is appreciated. As the Book says: "A gentle answer turns away wrath." We (as in "I") have to be careful not to hide behind the anonymity of the internet to take personal cheap shots.