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Post by Steven Gerrard on Jan 30, 2015 11:22:15 GMT -6
Why would 80% of the principals vote against the white jersey rule?
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Post by pOkLE on Jan 30, 2015 11:22:32 GMT -6
8-Goal Mercy Rule passes
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Post by uhscubs1 on Jan 30, 2015 11:22:52 GMT -6
When will the districts be re-organized?
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Post by rlb2024 on Jan 30, 2015 11:23:10 GMT -6
Mercy rule passes with 89.2 percent.
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Post by methuselah on Jan 30, 2015 11:27:32 GMT -6
There's something very strange about this all white jersey thing where pretty much every soccer person you talk to feels one way but the principals vote overwhelmingly the other way.
Though I guess with all teams now having the white jerseys anyway it's not that big of a deal as it was when teams had to switch. But it is still just odd.
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Post by Steven Gerrard on Jan 30, 2015 11:31:21 GMT -6
You are right, it is very odd. A soccer person gets it put on the agenda. The majority (if not more) of soccer people are for it. Then the principals vote it down 4-1. Goes to show you that you don't get things done without an extensive lobbying effort. That is the way our government works.
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Post by wmrebsoccer on Jan 30, 2015 11:38:55 GMT -6
If they bring that to the floor I'll be surprised if less than 95% of the coaches approve of it. They might not even waste time bringing what should pretty much be a unanimous decision to be voted upon. But it isn't coaches.. It's principals and they can say it's against NFHS procedures and 75% of principals,will just say ok and vote like they are being told to vote by someone. It got voted down probably because they told us it wasn't being voted on so I gave no direction to my principal on how to vote. I bet that happened with many coaches. They slipped it in there. |
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Post by methuselah on Jan 30, 2015 11:40:10 GMT -6
All in all though it seems like a fairly good overall convention as far as soccer goes. 4 divisions is good. 8 goal mercy rule I don't have a problem with. Splits failing/being tabled in the sports it was up for is good and hopefully may spell the end of talk of further splits for now. Higher seed hosting in semis is neutral with me but most here seem to support it so that's all good.
Seems like I saw something in that NOLA stream about teams that forfeit wins. Must have been in another spot but it sounded like something that could have affected situations like the Menard one. Whatever it was though was voted down and they are keeping it as it is now.
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Post by methuselah on Jan 30, 2015 11:45:13 GMT -6
Here's the gist of that power points of someone who played a team that had to forfeit games.
Jerit Roser, NOLA.com | The Times-Picayune 30 minutes ago
Proposal that wouldn't take power points from a team who faced team that forfeited games... gets no second... dies
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Post by coachray40 on Jan 30, 2015 12:22:51 GMT -6
Im having my team wear a colored shirt at home tomorrow just to protest. No Im not kidding.
Time for that yellow card
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Post by beauchenecoach on Jan 30, 2015 13:04:07 GMT -6
Why would 80% of the principals vote against the white jersey rule? An LHSAA rep got up,and told the whole room it was against NFHS so they killed it. Told my principal I was proud he didn't pull it. Getting the NFHS rule book ready for spring advisory meeting. They have a lot of housekeeping to do with the handbook now. |
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Post by beauchenecoach on Jan 30, 2015 13:06:43 GMT -6
Im having my team wear a colored shirt at home tomorrow just to protest. No Im not kidding. Time for that yellow card Well than awfully our ref assign has common sense. We just got our white jersey replacements for those that neededicing I'm last years brand new white kits. Ordered in August. One size was back ordered by Nike till last week! A one year old kit avaiable till 2017. Heard similar issues from teams with Adidas. We are third in line to order. White jerseys that stain easier am durin easier in our great weather we play in on muddy fields. Just common sense man. We need to find a way to get NFHS to change this. Then the only time we wore white this year, we lost our only game. So if we lose in white, I'm taking the yellow and wearing Orange every game here on out. Would love to see a team do it in the final. Like St Pauls wear their yellow kit. |
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Post by beauchenecoach on Jan 30, 2015 13:09:04 GMT -6
Here's the gist of that power points of someone who played a team that had to forfeit games. Jerit Roser, NOLA.com | The Times-Picayune 30 minutes ago Proposal that wouldn't take power points from a team who faced team that forfeited games. gets no second. dies It was for football only, but it would have set a standard for other sports. |
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Post by beauchenecoach on Jan 30, 2015 13:10:08 GMT -6
But it isn't coaches.. It's principals and they can say it's against NFHS procedures and 75% of principals,will just say ok and vote like they are being told to vote by someone. It got voted down probably because they told us it wasn't being voted on so I gave no direction to my principal on how to vote. I bet that happened with many coaches. They slipped it in there. Yes, they bad mouthed it at area meetings and again today. |
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Post by p_malinich on Jan 30, 2015 13:13:23 GMT -6
Im having my team wear a colored shirt at home tomorrow just to protest. No Im not kidding. Time for that yellow card Well than awfully our ref assign has common sense. We just got our white jersey replacements for those that neededicing I'm last years brand new white kits. Ordered in August. One size was back ordered by Nike till last week! A one year old kit avaiable till 2017. Heard similar issues from teams with Adidas. We are third in line to order. White jerseys that stain easier am durin easier in our great weather we play in on muddy fields. Just common sense man. We need to find a way to get NFHS to change this. Then the only time we wore white this year, we lost our only game. So if we lose in white, I'm taking the yellow and wearing Orange every game here on out. Would love to see a team do it in the final. Like St Pauls wear their yellow kit. St. Louis wore Orange/White/White when they played us in the semi's. To Coach Oertling's credit, he called Coach Perez before the game to ask if we minded. We didn't mind, they wore it, and the refs let it roll. |
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Post by rora on Jan 30, 2015 14:20:05 GMT -6
Why would 80% of the principals vote against the white jersey rule? An LHSAA rep got up,and told the whole room it was against NFHS so they killed it. Told my principal I was proud he didn't pull it. Getting the NFHS rule book ready for spring advisory meeting. They have a lot of housekeeping to do with the handbook now. What exactly would be the penalty of a state not following the NFHS handbook if it decided not to based on majority vote of school principals? And does anyone know of a rule in the handbook not followed? Or conversely, a rule implemented (mercy rule?) but not in the handbook? |
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Post by coachray40 on Jan 30, 2015 14:22:07 GMT -6
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Post by pOkLE on Jan 30, 2015 14:39:39 GMT -6
An LHSAA rep got up,and told the whole room it was against NFHS so they killed it. Told my principal I was proud he didn't pull it. Getting the NFHS rule book ready for spring advisory meeting. They have a lot of housekeeping to do with the handbook now. What exactly would be the penalty of a state not following the NFHS handbook if it decided not to based on majority vote of school principals? And does anyone know of a rule in the handbook not followed? Or conversely, a rule implemented (mercy rule?) but not in the handbook? My quote from another thread. NFHS says that states do not have to follow rules but run risk of losing representation on rules committee. ... NFHS Handbook: "STATE ASSOCIATIONS are not required to use NFHS playing rules. However, most states use NFHS playing rules for most sports. If a state is to have representation on a committee, it must, in all material respects, follow the NFHS playing rules for that sport (or employ more restrictive rules) for the reason that people who use a given set of rules are likely to be the most knowledgeable about them. If the rules give an option, a state may mandate either and retain membership on the committee. Typically, NFHS rules place a major emphasis on risk minimization, balance between offense and defense, preservation of the sound traditions of the sport in question, and efficiency in administration of contests.." So, state associations are "not required to use NFHS playing rules" but "if a state is to have representation on a committee, it must, in all material respects, follow the NFHS playing rules for that sport (or employ more restrictive rules)." Why? Because "people who use a given set of rules are likely to be the most knowledgeable about them." Assuming color of home uniform is a "playing rule", I would argue that color of uniform is not "material" at all to playing the game of soccer. But assuming color of uniform is a material aspect of soccer playing rules, LHSAA is only required to follow if it wants to to ensure its membership on the NFHS soccer rules committee. Let's take a look at the soccer rules committee: Soccer Rules Committee: Chair – William Johnson, Massachusetts (2015) Steve Beals (New Hampshire) 2016 Stan Latta (Pennsylvania) 2018 Joe Manjone (Alabama) 2017 Todd Tharp (Iowa) 2018 Doug Epps (Nebraska) 2017 Mike Clark (Oklahoma) 2016 Malcolm H. Brazelton (California) 2015 Scott Lockwood (Montana) 2017 NFHS Coaches Association: Monty Hawkins (Oregon) 2018 NFHS Officials Association: Steve Harvey (Arkansas) 2016 NFHS Liaison: Mark Koski Louisiana has no representation on the soccer rules committee. |
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Post by Steven Gerrard on Jan 30, 2015 15:20:10 GMT -6
I think I am gonna play "Fight The Power" during the warmup tonight before the West Monroe v. Zachary game in honor of CoachRay. Does it have cuss words?
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Post by rora on Jan 30, 2015 15:50:00 GMT -6
What exactly would be the penalty of a state not following the NFHS handbook if it decided not to based on majority vote of school principals? And does anyone know of a rule in the handbook not followed? Or conversely, a rule implemented (mercy rule?) but not in the handbook? My quote from another thread. NFHS says that states do not have to follow rules but run risk of losing representation on rules committee. . NFHS Handbook: "STATE ASSOCIATIONS are not required to use NFHS playing rules. However, most states use NFHS playing rules for most sports. If a state is to have representation on a committee, it must, in all material respects, follow the NFHS playing rules for that sport (or employ more restrictive rules) for the reason that people who use a given set of rules are likely to be the most knowledgeable about them. If the rules give an option, a state may mandate either and retain membership on the committee. Typically, NFHS rules place a major emphasis on risk minimization, balance between offense and defense, preservation of the sound traditions of the sport in question, and efficiency in administration of contests.." So, state associations are "not required to use NFHS playing rules" but "if a state is to have representation on a committee, it must, in all material respects, follow the NFHS playing rules for that sport (or employ more restrictive rules)." Why? Because "people who use a given set of rules are likely to be the most knowledgeable about them." Assuming color of home uniform is a "playing rule", I would argue that color of uniform is not "material" at all to playing the game of soccer. But assuming color of uniform is a material aspect of soccer playing rules, LHSAA is only required to follow if it wants to to ensure its membership on the NFHS soccer rules committee. Let's take a look at the soccer rules committee: Soccer Rules Committee: Chair – William Johnson, Massachusetts (2015) Steve Beals (New Hampshire) 2016 Stan Latta (Pennsylvania) 2018 Joe Manjone (Alabama) 2017 Todd Tharp (Iowa) 2018 Doug Epps (Nebraska) 2017 Mike Clark (Oklahoma) 2016 Malcolm H. Brazelton (California) 2015 Scott Lockwood (Montana) 2017 NFHS Coaches Association: Monty Hawkins (Oregon) 2018 NFHS Officials Association: Steve Harvey (Arkansas) 2016 NFHS Liaison: Mark Koski Louisiana has no representation on the soccer rules committee. Interestingly, I just spoke with my AD to see what exactly happened with the all-white rule. He said that the interim director said that we follow the NFHS rules, then it was pointed out by a principal that LHSAA rules can supersede NFHS rules, to which the interim director stated that they do/can-not. Incorrect, according to my AD. He is and has been a baseball coach for many years. According to him, NFHS rules state that a coach must be in full uniform for a game; LHSAA rules state that a coach may wear shorts. He is sure that there are other similar instances in other sports. He suggests we re-propose the rule change for next year and ready ourselves with examples of exactly when/how the LHSAA has superseded the NFHS. |
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