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Post by m on Mar 3, 2004 20:44:27 GMT -6
O.K. ....we debated this issue earlier in the year. Now that the finals are over, we have 2 out of 3 state championships won by public schools. What say you now?
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Post by goat on Mar 3, 2004 20:52:05 GMT -6
i said it then and i'll say it now. you can't seperate the two. take Div I for example for the last eight years only 4 teams have been in the finals jesuit BM lafayette and acadiana. if you devided the two acadiana and lafayette would dominate the public school Div I. right now i don't think you can split it.
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Post by McScruff on Mar 3, 2004 20:52:41 GMT -6
Man, I was just talking to someone about how I was happy that Lafayette not only represented district three, but all public schools. Franklin, too.
I have never had a doubt that public schools could hang with private schools in soccer on a statewide level. Actually, on a statewide level, I think that public schools can hang with private schools in any sport. I think public schools have problems hanging when you break it into areas and no longer look at the issue at a statewide level. Can a public school soccer team compete with a private school in NOLA? No way. At the same time that public school in NOLA also couldn't compete with a public school in Lafayette. Anyway, what was I talking about...sorry
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Post by Smeagle on Mar 3, 2004 20:57:50 GMT -6
would it be possible to seperate it in certain sports.... that would be a good idea... some sports you take away private and all compitition is gone
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Post by ostrya on Mar 3, 2004 21:07:19 GMT -6
How about instead of worrying about public vs. private, we make the divisions according to the number of select players on the team (not worrying about the number of students in the school)?
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Post by m on Mar 3, 2004 21:10:27 GMT -6
Alot of the attention of the debate was centered around that some people thought that private schools had an unfair advantage over public schools in soccer. I don't think this theory was confirmed after the finals this year. I also think it would be a major blunder to seperate the two.
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Post by Smeagle on Mar 3, 2004 21:10:50 GMT -6
the problem would come in is... You have to change it every year... and you can have 9 select and 20 people that never played before also
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Post by Smeagle on Mar 3, 2004 21:11:41 GMT -6
Alot of the attention of the debate was centered around that some people thought that private schools had an unfair advantage over public schools in soccer. I don't think this theory was confirmed after the finals this year. I also think it would be a major blunder to seperate the two. They may have an advantage in talent.... but the other team may be outcoached
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Post by goat on Mar 3, 2004 21:14:03 GMT -6
i know that the public schools in lafayette would and did beat the private schools this year. lafayette beat stm 2 or 3 times this year and while stm and acadiana didn't play i think acadiana would probably win as well(it would be a good game so all you stm fans don't blast me).
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Post by ShreveDad on Mar 3, 2004 21:20:32 GMT -6
Unfortunately, what is best for soccer has nothing to do with the talk of the split. It all comes down to football and really then only two schools. Evangel and John Curtis. There are a lot of people who really resent the success those two schools have had and will do whatever they can to split public and private. You think we are obsessed. Go to www.laprepsoccer.net.com and check out their football bulletin board when it comes close to the vote on the split. It made for some real interesting reading in January. Most people in the know think that if the private schools are forced to split, they will leave and start their own association which may prevent them from playing any public schools. That would be horrible for soccer in this state. I hope things stay the same, this year we had 6 soccer champions, 4 of which were public schools. I do think the private schools have some advantages, but it will do more damage to split the association up.
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Post by m on Mar 3, 2004 21:21:48 GMT -6
They may have an advantage in talent.... but the other team may be outcoached I'm not sure that is entirely accurate. I'm not an expert on Lafayette, that would be McScruff, but I would think that their talent matched Jesuits pretty well. I don't think that it was all coaching that won Lafayette the championship. Likewise, goat, what would you say about Acadiana and Catholic BR's talent. Pretty even?
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Post by Smeagle on Mar 3, 2004 21:29:02 GMT -6
yes, m but on he other hand you still have about 50 other public schools!!
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Post by lasocrfan on Mar 3, 2004 21:29:11 GMT -6
As ShreveDad pointed out, this whole public/private issue surfaced because of one sport - football; and because of two schools - Evangel and John Curtis. I say deal with them. It would be a major mistake to split the schools, especially in soccer. In response to ostrya's post, at Rummel, to the best of my knowledge, they only had 3 premier players out of the top 15/16 players that saw any significant playing time. They don't come to Rummel specifically to play soccer. The competition is good for both public and private schools in soccer. In our area (as far as Division I is concerned) you have district 9's 3 major schools and St. Paul's. All the other major powers are public schools (Mandeville, Northshore, Covington, Slidell, CL, Destrehan, etc. And most of the better playing facilities are public school stadiums. St. Paul's is the only Division I school in this area with its own stadium. Bottom line, in the New Orleans area students go to the private schools for reasons far beyond sports.
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Post by goat on Mar 3, 2004 21:29:29 GMT -6
in the lafayette area the public schools have more overall talent than the private schools. i don't think you can say that in other areas of the state. that being said i know my son would be in a private school if i live in new orleans. i think shrevedad is right this is not as important in soccer as it is in football. but honestly what kind of champion would you be if you didn't go through the teams in dist. 9?
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Post by Bish on Mar 3, 2004 23:00:17 GMT -6
How about instead of worrying about public vs. private, we make the divisions according to the number of select players on the team (not worrying about the number of students in the school)? Yeah good idea....how about no? St. Louis had like 2 or 3 select players on their team and they won the state championship.
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Post by hdkjga on Mar 4, 2004 1:48:36 GMT -6
Someone made the comment that football is the reason for the split talks......actually it is basketball that brought everything to a head and it is in the smaller classes that the problems were being called into question.
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Post by ShreveDad on Mar 4, 2004 7:25:17 GMT -6
hdkjga, tell us what you know. All we ever heard up here was that the Evangel and John Curtis football teams were the reasons. Next year everyone is going to play in the proper classification (you need the approval of the principals in the classification you want to play in, and I don't know if that applies to soccer) and we were told that the small schools that now would be playing Evangel brought this subject up.
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Post by ostrya on Mar 4, 2004 7:56:35 GMT -6
"Yeah good idea....how about no? St. Louis had like 2 or 3 select players on their team and they won the state championship. " How many select players did the other DIII schools have?
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Post by Bish on Mar 4, 2004 14:16:13 GMT -6
I am sure STA had some, and I've heard a lot of St. Martin's players play on the same select team. Not completely sure though.
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Post by user101 on Mar 4, 2004 18:15:28 GMT -6
Yeah good idea....how about no? St. Louis had like 2 or 3 select players on their team and they won the state championship. and mckinley had plenty, and well...
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