State Cup Schedules out- Weird U15 C2 bracket

[ribod29]

I think the bigger issue here is that Baton Rouge Red and CCU only have to play one game on Saturday, while Slidell and FC Nola have to play 2 games.
Seems like Slidell( the brackets top seed) and FC Nola will be at a disadvantage in their 2nd game on Saturday. I agree with "home" teams playing on Friday, but not
In a state tourney.

[laffysoccermom]

Looks like 3 play in games to me. Why couldn't they do a 8 Comp 2 and a 6 Comp 3.

[laffysoccermom]

I agree with the Friday night games thing. It's not far to a team to play their second game of the day against a team that is playing their first especially at State.

[Antimatter]

312.7.3.3 does not even have a condition under which you would have a 15 team c2 with play-ins. Are they making up rules as they go along?

d. If, after applying the below policy on
determining the number of teams for the
Competitive 1 and 2 state tournaments, the
number of teams is determined to be five,
seven, nine, ten, or eleven, play-in games
will be utilized as follows:
1. If five teams, fifth seed versus
fourth seed with winner advancing as fourth
seed and the format is standard seeded
four-team format.
2. If seven teams, seventh seed versus
sixth seed with winner advancing as sixth
seed and the format is standard seeded
six-team format.
3. If nine teams, ninth seed versus
eighth seed with winner advancing as
eighth seed and the format is standard
seeded eight-team format.
4. If ten teams, tenth seed versus
seventh seed and ninth seed versus eighth
seed with winners advancing as seventh
and eighth seeds (respectively) and the
format is standard seeded eight-team
format.
5. If eleven teams, eleventh seed
versus sixth seed, tenth seed versus
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seventh seed, and ninth seed versus eighth
seeds with winners advancing as sixth,
seventh, and eighth seeds (respectively)
and the format is standard seeded eightteam
format.

[Rabid Monkey]

Apr 24, 2015 9:55:21 GMT -6 Antimatter said:

312.7.3.3 does not even have a condition under which you would have a 15 team c2 with play-ins. Are they making up rules as they go along?

d. If, after applying the below policy on
determining the number of teams for the
Competitive 1 and 2 state tournaments, the
number of teams is determined to be five,
seven, nine, ten, or eleven, play-in games
will be utilized as follows:
1. If five teams, fifth seed versus
fourth seed with winner advancing as fourth
seed and the format is standard seeded
four-team format.
2. If seven teams, seventh seed versus
sixth seed with winner advancing as sixth
seed and the format is standard seeded
six-team format.
3. If nine teams, ninth seed versus
eighth seed with winner advancing as
eighth seed and the format is standard
seeded eight-team format.
4. If ten teams, tenth seed versus
seventh seed and ninth seed versus eighth
seed with winners advancing as seventh
and eighth seeds (respectively) and the
format is standard seeded eight-team
format.
5. If eleven teams, eleventh seed
versus sixth seed, tenth seed versus
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seventh seed, and ninth seed versus eighth
seeds with winners advancing as sixth,
seventh, and eighth seeds (respectively)
and the format is standard seeded eightteam
format.

We all know your question is rhetorical, but I couldnt resist.  Yes and why should we be surprised? I guess the cost for that extra trophy and medals would have meant the difference of making this years State Cup profitable or not.  Time to go up on all the fees!

[84champ]

In state tournaments, teams should not be given the advantage of playing fresh against a team that already played a game in the morning. Both FC NOLA and Slidell were at a disadvantage and the results of the Sat. afternoon games are telling. The kids work hard all year for this tournament and deserve a level playing field. 4-hour recovery vs. 19-hour recovery isn't level.

[laffysoccermom]

Same thing happened in girls. Dynamo Jrs and LA Fire White had to play second games against teams that were playing their first. Not sure how much it impacted result but it definitely wasn't fair to either team. In my opinion those games should have been scheduled as both team's first game.

I guess you could say that the teams that played on Friday night might be disadvantaged but they still would have had 16 hours rest as opposed to getting 22 hours and playing an opponent that one had 4.

[Deleted]

May 4, 2015 5:38:42 GMT -6 laffysoccermom said:

Same thing happened in girls. Dynamo Jrs and LA Fire White had to play second games against teams that were playing their first. Not sure how much it impacted result but it definitely wasn't fair to either team. In my opinion those games should have been scheduled as both team's first game.

I guess you could say that the teams that played on Friday night might be disadvantaged but they still would have had 16 hours rest as opposed to getting 22 hours and playing an opponent that one had 4.

I'm assuming that because of rain outs the previous weekend LSA asked BRSC to find any games that could be played on friday to help with field availability.

[laffysoccermom]

Probably the case, but my point is that there first games on Saturday should have been in first slot where all teams on equal footing to begin. I don't know if it affected our result or the result of other game but it was definitely unfair.

I totally understand about the rainouts but the scheduling could have been fairer.

[Antimatter]

Baton Rouge had a double advantage. They were playing at home Friday against a CABOSA team that had to travel hours from Shreveport for the Friday night game. Then Saturday they had the single game while Dynamo had two There were empty fields at points during the day so unless they were purposely trying to give BR an advantage I am not sure why schedule it so.

[time2retire]

Sure there were empty fields, when 22 are in the complex. I'm sure you wouldn't want teams to play back-to-back games. Hindsight is almost always 20/20 and I am sure some improvements could be made. Voice your concerns through the appropriate channels, it seems to me like you have legitimate points.

[playwide]

It's a safe bet this (Friday night State Cup scheduling) will come up at the Summer meetings with feedback from across the State.

The u14g President's Cup also had two BR teams playing on Friday night, then only playing one game on Saturday.

It's the most unbalanced application of State Cup rules I have witnessed. There is no way for this unfair scheduling practice to be justified.

[Deleted]

May 4, 2015 10:08:03 GMT -6 Antimatter said:

Baton Rouge had a double advantage. They were playing at home Friday against a CABOSA team that had to travel hours from Shreveport for the Friday night game. Then Saturday they had the single game while Dynamo had two There were empty fields at points during the day so unless they were purposely trying to give BR an advantage I am not sure why schedule it so.

at no point did BRSC U-15 boys red play a cabosa team. the only real unfair advantage was the game againt FC Nola who was playing in their second game while the brsc team waas in their first game

[offside]

May 5, 2015 9:01:10 GMT -6 @ikeepbr said:

May 4, 2015 10:08:03 GMT -6 Antimatter said:

Baton Rouge had a double advantage. They were playing at home Friday against a CABOSA team that had to travel hours from Shreveport for the Friday night game. Then Saturday they had the single game while Dynamo had two There were empty fields at points during the day so unless they were purposely trying to give BR an advantage I am not sure why schedule it so.

at no point did BRSC U-15 boys red play a cabosa team. the only real unfair advantage was the game againt FC Nola who was playing in their second game while the brsc team waas in their first game

I think the conversation got on to the girls bracket and there was a BRSC and CABOSA U15 girls game on Friday night. 

[laffysoccermom]

That is correct. Conversation shifted to girls.