DIII Top 3/Top 10

[flat3]

While DIII race is wide open, we haven't seen much discussion about it. I will try to start it here, with comparing Top 3 (St. Martin's, University, and Newman).

In a different thread, tigerdawg said:

tigerdawg said:

I saw a poll yesterday that has Newman ranked above University. HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE when Newman loses to Woodlawn 4-2, and University beats Woodlawn 6-0??? The only losses University have encountered have been to 5A schools. University isn't 5A last time I checked.

University has only lost one game as of late, and that was to a very strong Brother Martin. Newman has lost three....to Woodlawn, St. Martin's, and I believe Mandeville. Granted St. Martin's and Mandeville are strong, but Woodlawn struggles this year.

I think this is a disservice to University and their accomplishments so far this year.

Qualifications: I don't believe Newman lost to Mandeville, Woodlawn was missing some starters in 6-0 game against University, and University is ranked #2 above Newman (#3).

Thanks to PutMeInCoach's earlier posting, DIII Top 3 teams' records can be compiled as follows (probably incomplete).

***St. Martin's (9-3)

Wins vs. Top 10: Dutchtown 3-2 OT, Loyola, Salmen 3-1, Newman 1-0
Other Wins: Belle Chasse, Westgate 3-2, Woodlawn 3-2, Covington 3-0, St. Charles 3-1

Losses: E.D. White 3-0, Fontainebleau 1-0, Newman 2-0

***University (18-5-1)

Wins vs. Top 10: Bishop Sullivan 4-2, Teurlings 5-3, East Ascension 1-0
Other Wins: West Feliciana 5-2, Parkview 4-1, Baton Rouge 3-0, 2-0, Sulphur 1-0, Terrebonne 1-0, Woodlawn 3-2, 2-0, 6-0, McKinley 3-0, Catholic Pointe Coupee 8-0, Central 5-2, Catholic JV 3-0, Episcopal 5-0, Runnels (Forfeit)

Losses: Dutchtown 4-1, Nease FL 0-3, Lafayette 5-0, Holy Cross 2-1, Brother Martin 3-2

Ties: Highland TX 1-1

***Newman (10-3-2)

Wins vs. Top 10: Ben Franklin 3-1, STA 2-1, St. Martin's 2-0, Salmen 3-1, Mandeville 1-0, Ed White 1-0
Other Wins: De La Salle 3-0, Fontainebleau 2-1, Country day 3-0, Belle Chasse 5-0

Losses: Woodlawn 4-2, Vandy 4-2, St. Martin's 1-0

Ties: Covington 1-1, Caddo Magnet 1-1

University has the best record, but only a few wins against Top 10 teams (due to their being in BTR). Their losses are to Top 10 teams only (except Holy Cross and a Florida team). St. Martin's and Newman have more quality wins but Newman has more upset losses/ties. While St. Martin's and Newman are 1-1 against each other, St. Martin's is over Newman due to a recent win.

Though I don't vote, I agree with St. Martin's #1 and pick either University or Newman #2.

ED White lost to Country Day last night, and this will shake the DIII poll a little.

Here is the Top 10 as of 1/9/05.
1)St. Martin(8).....80 (beat St Charles Catholic 3-1)
2)University.....67 (beat Woodlawn 6-0)
3)Newman.....65 (beat Belle Chasse 5-0)
4)Teurlings.....49
5)E.D. White.....48 (lost to Country Day 0-1
5)Opelousas Catholic.....48
7)St. Thomas Aquinas.....31
8)St. Louis.....24
9)St. Freds.....18 (beat Ouachita 7-0)
10)ESA.....5 (lost to WCA 0-2)
Others:West Feliciana.....2, Country Day.....1, (beat ED White 1-0) Parkview.....1

[Center]

How in the world do you have a Division III topic like this and not include the two time defending state champion, or anyone in that district for that matter. However I feel that St.Martin is a good team about level with Newman. When do wins against Westgate count as a quality win?

[flat3]

I wasn't trying to slight the two time defending champion or teams in that district. Please make a case for any team you think will go all the way. After all, having been a champion is a big plus when other teams could get choked up.

According to WHAT IS REPORTED ON THE BOARD, St. Louis looks like this. I am sure it's an incomplete record. What about the result of Showcase Tournament, for example?

***
St. Louis (3-3)

Wins vs. Top 10: None
Other wins: Morgan City 10-0, Catholic NI 10-1, WCA 4-2

Losses: Opelousas Catholic 2-1, Teurlings 2-1 OT, E.D. White 2-0



Westgate is not ranked Top 10 (that's what I meant by quality wins), if I am not mistaken....

[Bish]

While there is no reason to believe that St. Louis is a threat right now, don't be surprised when they finish the season strong like they always do. 1st place in district is still a possibility for them, and 2nd place is very probable. They're a young team and they need a little more time than everybody else to understand the game.

[tigerdawg]

First of all, the latest poll that was sent out this week has Newmant ranked #2 and University #3.

Second, University has three wins over Woodlawn and has only allowed them to score twice in all three games. I do know that Woodlawn was missing Chris, but that is the only player that would have changed anything in the game. The other two victories against Woodlawn were when they were full strength. The game they played in the Capital City Classic, was a "pressure game" in the semi-finals of the tournament. Woodlawn had all their players that night, when University was missing the player that scored 4 goals against them the other night in the 6-0 victory. When Newman played Woodlawn recently, the outcome was Woodlawn 4, Newman 2........and Woodlawn was full strength.
While we are talking about scores and missing starters, some of the loses University has encountered this season were when they were not full strength. The game against Dutchtown (ranked in the top 10), was very early in the season when U-High was not full strength. The game against Lafayette was the final bracket game in the Northside tournament, and it did not matter if they won or lost. The score was 1-0 at halftime, and ALL STARTERS WERE PULLED to rest up for the quarter-finals. They did lose to a good Nease team from Florida in that same tournament. The loss against Holy Cross tells me something about University. Holy Cross beat a top 5, 5-A school Catholic 2-1 as well. I just wish I could see the match up between University and Catholic.

I'm glad that "Center" brought up the St. Louis district, because I haven't heard much about them. What is going on in that district? Who is 1,2 and 3? What are their records?

Who do Newman and St. Martin's play next?

[Tellme]

I am not trying to rain on anyone's parade, but you University folk are sounding like a broken record. Oh players were missing or rested. I am betting Newman and St. Martin's have excuses for their losses, but they don't come on this board rattling them off. I realize that you are just trying to help everyone make an accurate DIII poll whatnot, but seriously people win games and lose them and those results are what make the polls. Flat, i answered your question about the WC thing, so I hope that helps, but to you and your team, having seen you play some and St. Martin's and Newman play, it is going to take a lot more work in training and not on this board to beat those teams. As of now, I personally don't think you would beat Newman or even come close against St. Martin's. Again I don't want to sound mean, but I just think ya'll should worry more about your own games.

[tigerdawg]

ok. first of all, i am not from u-high. i just know about them from baton rouge. second of all, i am not making excuses for them losing, i am just stating the facts. flat 3 was stating facts earlier in his/her response to my first entry so i was just responding to that.
how does newman account for losing to woodlawn??? you get smoked by a team that won't even make the playoffs?? what basis do you have to rank newman over university?

[Tellme]

I saw them both play, first of all, and if you want an excuse from Newman you probably won't get one unless you talk to one of their players. For all I know, their bus was leaking poisonous fumes. It doesn't really matter, but next time you give a report on a team, OBJECTIVITY might want to be a word to look up beforehand.

[tigerdawg]

it seems i've hit a nerve.

objectivity was the main reason i started talking about this topic. the polls aren't very objective when they are ranking newman over university. aren't polls about what teams are doing at the present time, and not what they did in the past? at the present time, university has won 6 straight games, and newman has lost a couple. how in the world would an OBJECTIVE poll rank newman higher than university?

[ttt123]

District 3

Teurlings 7-0
Opelousas Catholic 6-1
St Louis 6-2

St Louis plays O.C. Saturday.

[flat3]

ttt123 said:

District 3
Teurlings 7-0
Opelousas Catholic 6-1
St Louis 6-2
St Louis plays O.C. Saturday.

Thanks bunch. Though it's only mid-way through the season, it is good to know. DIII-3 is pretty much guarantteed to get a WC slot (because it has 8 teams) and the WC team will play University in the second round (if University wins the district, and the WC and Univ. win the first round, of course).

[tigerdawg]

so who won btw oc and st. louis?

[PutMeInCoach2]

with E.D.White beating St. Martin, i bet this changes the rankings once again... Personally i think E.D.White's Loss to Country Day was a fluke, but GREAT teams don't have flukes

[tigerdawg]

so what do you feel the rankings should be now in d-III?
do you feel st. martins should drop below university? what would your top 3 be?

[flat3]

Well, I happened to be at Country Day today (middle school basketball tournament) and saw them play against Lutheran. Country Day looked good to me with some good players (#5, #10, #23), though Lutheran didn't present much pressure.

Edit: Corrected for the error regarding St. Martin's record.

[WiN oN tHrEe]

District 3
Teurlings 9-1
Opelousas Catholic 8-2
St Louis 8-2

that is the new shake-up in District 3. St. Louis beat OC (more like cheated OC) 5-4 today. The game was by far the worst referred game I have ever seen in my entire life. yes, i know your prolly saying, stop whining but you were either not at the game or a st. louis fan. I also lost total respect for St. Louis's program and coach. During the duration of the game, OC had three players go down, and instead of doing the Christian thing (being St. Louis is a Catholic school) and a respectable thing and kick the ball out for a lying down and not moving, their coach yells play on and they ended up getting a cheap goal. OC is more worried about their player lying on the field motionless and coach jason just smiles and says, "its an chance to score." Show some class b/c thats what he preached two years ago to OC players when we beat them 4-3 in OT. Now its our turn to tell you coach jason, SO SOME CLASS!!!

Im not sure who TCH lost to but I know they lost. I have a feeling that they will have the same problem OC had today when they travel to St. Louis to play. Quote me on this one b/c you will never hear me say it again but I hope TCH KILLLLLS St. Louis when they play in Lake Charles. Good Luck to TCH and OC during the rest of the season!! Its should now make for an intrusting second half of district.

[PutMeInCoach2]

i think... Newman, St. Martin, and E.D.White are your top 3... which makes them hard playing them is....

St Martin beat Newman
E.D.White beat St. Martin
Country Day beat E.D.White

I think these 3 teams they would play each other everyday their records owuld be like 5-5 or 6-4, they would split the games evenly....

E.D.White beat St. Martin's twice and loss to them once, so they proved they can beat who we think is the best

[WiN oN tHrEe]

Division III
1)St. Martin(8).....80 (beat St Charles Catholic 3-1, lost to E.D. White 2-3)
2)University.....67 (beat Woodlawn 6-0, beat Runnels via forfeit, beat Parkview 5-0)
3)Newman.....65 (beat Belle Chasse 5-0, lost to St. Martin's)
4)Teurlings.....49 (lost to ESA ?-?)
5)E.D. White.....48 (lost to Country Day 0-1, beat St. Martin 3-2)
5)Opelousas Catholic.....48 (beat Notre Dame 6-0, lost to St. Louis 5-4)
7)St. Thomas Aquinas.....31
8)St. Louis.....24 (beat OC 5-4)
9)St. Freds.....18 (beat Ouachita 7-0, beat OCS 9-3)
10)ESA.....5 (lost to WCA 0-2, beat TCH ?-?)

Im not sure if the TCH-ESA is correct but I heard ESA beat TCH. Not sure what the score was.

[soccerfan21]

Teurlings lossed to the unranked ESA

[WiN oN tHrEe]

ESA was some how ranked #10 on the laprep poll but it will deff. knock TCH down some in the next poll.