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Post by yallcrazy on Mar 9, 2021 8:16:17 GMT -6
I have been through the ODP, id2, and DA processes. The DA was the magic ticket from a recruiting point of view. The second a player put DA on their recruiting profile, top college coaches showed interest immediately. First DA showcase I attended, the sidelines were packed with top D1 HEAD coaches with ALL of their assistant coaches. When you go to a National League showcase, it’s usually only an assistant or volunteer coach who shows up. If you are one of the rare teams in the history of Louisiana to make the USYS National Championship, the grand prize is mostly lower tier D1 and D2 assistant coaches coming to watch.
ECNL and GA definitely get the top college coaches’ full attention. Hopefully MLS will too. Step one is to assemble a superteam that proves its worth over several age groups for a couple of years. Clubs would keep every penny of their players’ registration, and get a piece of the SuperTeam registration. Parents will have to pay twice, I don’t see any other way around it. As I have said, the only way the big clubs do something like this is if they make MORE money, otherwise why change?
I think what Orlando is trying to accomplish is great and I applaud the effort. But Louisiana will never make it to the MLS/ECNL/GA unless everyone works together under one banner, otherwise we will all be divided and conquered. That means a lot of people with big egos are going to have to humble themselves and work with people they may not like. Human nature says that’s not likely to happen. Do you believe in Miracles?
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Post by Cooldaddy on Mar 9, 2021 8:37:52 GMT -6
I’ll never forget something a great coach told me about how he approaches player development: “I will train a kid from another club Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday, and let him compete against me on Saturday.” Yallcrazy, this is a great quote that epitomizes what coaching in youth sports should really be about! I'm adding this quote to my list of sports quotes that I've been assembling over recent years. I'd be interested in knowing to whom I should credit for such a pearl of wisdom?
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Post by wildcatstriker on Mar 9, 2021 8:51:12 GMT -6
But why? Why do new clubs have to jump through hoops and so much red tape when it is “for the kids”? Why is it such a big deal trying to form alliance teams for age groups where there is a gap? Is it really a bad thing that more kids are playing soccer in LA, even if not playing for big clubs? I don’t personally know Orlando, nor has my kid ever played for him. What I do know is he is invested in the kids he coaches, and wanting to raise the level of recognition for Louisiana soccer. He would be an unbiased observer of talent, and with some support roles from the other clubs like Ryan Lazaroe (Slidell), Adrian Garcia (BRSC), Julio Paiz (Fire), Kevin Mooney (Dynamo), etc supporting the selection process to ensure the best players from their clubs get opportunity. Ultimately I think they Dynamo expansion across the state will lead to an expanded pool of players from certain clubs that claim to be the best of Louisiana, while many of the best players continue to be overlooked. [br “Many of the best players” are being overlooked from what program exactly? Are we speaking about ODP? Referring to exposure and recognition to colleges across the country, not referring to kids not getting opportunities in Louisiana.
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Post by shadowman06 on Mar 9, 2021 8:52:29 GMT -6
MLS Coaches have been to ODP Regional Camps the last few years. In Region III’s case, that is Houston Dynamo Coaches and Academy Director. They have also made trips to into Louisiana to observe Clubs and assist in training sessions in the recent past. I would have to assume some of this was being done in order to set the groundwork for Louisiana getting an opportunity to possibly get a MLS Next spot. MLS Next just expanded recently by accepting 4 or 5 new members from geographical areas that previously didn’t have a “DA”. I would have to think that MLS Next would try to do a better job with opportunities than the old DA system. I believe that would be by extending opportunities into other geographic areas of the Country that were left out of the DA
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Post by shadowman06 on Mar 9, 2021 9:00:15 GMT -6
[br “Many of the best players” are being overlooked from what program exactly? Are we speaking about ODP? Referring to exposure and recognition to colleges across the country, not referring to kids not getting opportunities in Louisiana. In regards to College Recruiting and exposure, the current setup in Louisiana simply does not work for the vast majority of Male soccer players. Everyone knows a very talented Male player that SHOULD have been sought after by decent College Programs! They end up with really zero decent offers. Go speak with just about any D1 College Coach, and ask them their opinions on Louisiana Soccer in general. These players deserve a chance! There has to be changes made going forward.
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Post by viewgator91 on Mar 9, 2021 9:21:36 GMT -6
So who’s got the best pool of players among ODP and it’s fairly new spin-offs/competitors in La United and LA Dynamo TDP? You almost forgot ID2 as well La United is an ID2 program, so they are one in the same. LA Dynamo TDP isn't in competition with these programs, totally different. Players that do TDP can still choose to do ODP/id2 and technically can do all three. TDP is a training/Dynamo exposure program.
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Post by viewgator91 on Mar 9, 2021 9:31:18 GMT -6
I think what Orlando is trying to accomplish is great and I applaud the effort. But Louisiana will never make it to the MLS/ECNL/GA unless everyone works together under one banner, otherwise we will all be divided and conquered. That means a lot of people with big egos are going to have to humble themselves and work with people they may not like. Human nature says that’s not likely to happen. Do you believe in Miracles? This is why I'm not sure Orlando is the guy to run the program. Maybe be "A" coach or "A" voice, but a fractional piece of the puzzle to work with, not against. I know zero about Moser (ST. Paul) but it was discussed that he was going to retire in the near future. That is a well respected voice (from what I can tell on this board) that could help unite soccer. Garcia with Baton Rouge is another name that has been tossed around as mutually respected. Ultimately, if anything ever changes, it will be the PARENTS that have to drive the change for their kids.
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Post by shadowman06 on Mar 9, 2021 9:40:17 GMT -6
I think what Orlando is trying to accomplish is great and I applaud the effort. But Louisiana will never make it to the MLS/ECNL/GA unless everyone works together under one banner, otherwise we will all be divided and conquered. That means a lot of people with big egos are going to have to humble themselves and work with people they may not like. Human nature says that’s not likely to happen. Do you believe in Miracles? This is why I'm not sure Orlando is the guy to run the program. Maybe be "A" coach or "A" voice, but a fractional piece of the puzzle to work with, not against. I know zero about Moser (ST. Paul) but it was discussed that he was going to retire in the near future. That is a well respected voice (from what I can tell on this board) that could help unite soccer. Garcia with Baton Rouge is another name that has been tossed around as mutually respected. Ultimately, if anything ever changes, it will be the PARENTS that have to drive the change for their kids. If we are talking MLS Next going forward, the Coach chosen to run this program will basically be chosen and vetted by MLS
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Post by viewgator91 on Mar 9, 2021 11:04:27 GMT -6
This is why I'm not sure Orlando is the guy to run the program. Maybe be "A" coach or "A" voice, but a fractional piece of the puzzle to work with, not against. I know zero about Moser (ST. Paul) but it was discussed that he was going to retire in the near future. That is a well respected voice (from what I can tell on this board) that could help unite soccer. Garcia with Baton Rouge is another name that has been tossed around as mutually respected. Ultimately, if anything ever changes, it will be the PARENTS that have to drive the change for their kids. If we are talking MLS Next going forward, the Coach chosen to run this program will basically be chosen and vetted by MLS Chosen and vetted by the MLS from within the program they are choosing to add to MLS Next... The closest thing in Louisiana today ready to join MLS Next is the Dynamo TDP program which is a collaboration between BRSC, Lafayette Dynamo, NOLA Dynamo, SYSC and Houston Dynamo/Dash... Dynamo is already part of MLS Next... www.mlssoccer.com/clubs
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2021 11:44:51 GMT -6
I have been through the ODP, id2, and DA processes. The DA was the magic ticket from a recruiting point of view. The second a player put DA on their recruiting profile, top college coaches showed interest immediately. First DA showcase I attended, the sidelines were packed with top D1 HEAD coaches with ALL of their assistant coaches. When you go to a National League showcase, it’s usually only an assistant or volunteer coach who shows up. If you are one of the rare teams in the history of Louisiana to make the USYS National Championship, the grand prize is mostly lower tier D1 and D2 assistant coaches coming to watch. ECNL and GA definitely get the top college coaches’ full attention. Hopefully MLS will too. Step one is to assemble a superteam that proves its worth over several age groups for a couple of years. Clubs would keep every penny of their players’ registration, and get a piece of the SuperTeam registration. Parents will have to pay twice, I don’t see any other way around it. As I have said, the only way the big clubs do something like this is if they make MORE money, otherwise why change? I think what Orlando is trying to accomplish is great and I applaud the effort. But Louisiana will never make it to the MLS/ECNL/GA unless everyone works together under one banner, otherwise we will all be divided and conquered. That means a lot of people with big egos are going to have to humble themselves and work with people they may not like. Human nature says that’s not likely to happen. Do you believe in Miracles? According to the MLS Next website: "Prospective clubs must also demonstrate an ability to provide low or no-cost options for players to participate on MLS NEXT teams, creating opportunities for a more inclusive player pool. Prior to starting your application, we recommend that you collect information about your club to support key factors for MLS NEXT membership: Club philosophy History of elite player development Strength of current and potential player pool Expertise and credentials of Coaches and Technical Staff Daily performance environment, including training, games, facilities, staff support, non-soccer programs, etc. Ability to reduce or eliminate costs to the player Geography Disciplinary history History of diversity and inclusion" From what I'm reading it sounds like they are trying to eliminate extra costs, not ask parents to pay double.
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Post by loJic on Mar 9, 2021 20:17:09 GMT -6
Culture, nothing will change until you change the culture of the current parents, current players and the new wave of both.
Just go to a youth game and listen to what the parents cheer for. That’ll tell you right away the lack of knowledge of the game is waaaaay off. When parents are cheering for a player who just booted it downfield when they had time to settle and find an easy square ball, that’s going to stick in that players head as a positive. When a coach is purposely putting his fastest players up top or in the back and playing a ping pong match and parents are just going ape Geaux Saints thinking their team is the best in all the bayou, that’s a problem. A big one.
I have an easy solution for y’all and your young ones, if they wish to be in an environment that promotes a high level. Take them to a GCPL/NPSL/USL2 game. Go watch grown men, who played professionally, collegiately, a small few on the international stage, and witness how fast the game can be. Go watch a team play out of the back and unlock opposing teams defenses with simple, sharp and precise passing. Watch a kid take a 50 yard cross on the dime, settle with great touch away from defender and slotting home a 25 yard upper 90 blast. Go personally witness these things happen and not on your TV. Go get hammered and take out your weekly aggression on the opposing keeper all game.
90% of parents with kids playing youth soccer have no desire to learn about the game beyond what their little Bobby or Sally is doing. How do you expect your kids to be better than kids who eat, live and sleep this game? Other parts of this country have a strong soccer culture and their regions have a pipeline of talent.
It’s not the lack of talent. Louisiana has the highest success rate of pro athletes per capita in all major league sports in the country. The talent is here. We just need more people to invest in the sport beyond joining your local club board until your kid graduates.
A Louisiana club merger would be a long term detriment. More small sided courts, more inclusion, more parent education, more supporting your local club.
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Post by lasoccerbaw on Mar 9, 2021 20:51:26 GMT -6
loJic I agree with you wholeheartedly up until the last paragraph when you conclude that it would be a detriment. I also agree with you when you call for "more small sided courts, more inclusion, more parent education." You rightly diagnose a lot of the problems with the lack of parent education. I don't see how only holding up the club status-quo produces anything new in terms of parent education. From my point of view, a "superteam" that competes at a routinely high level could do a lot for parental education. We all know the state has the talent, but what we don't have is a soccer culture. We need to start culturing parents and players somewhere. In England, one of the highest compliments you can give a player is calling him/her "cultured." ECNL/MLS Next games where LA parents are exposed to opposing fans that don't hoot and holler about smashing a ball 50 yards downfield could be a good learning experience for them. Now, I'm not a fan of Ronald Reagan, but maybe that culture can "trickle down" from them to other parents. And if the culture shift doesn't happen through parents, at least we could count on Louisiana soccer putting more than a handful of players into college ranks every year. Maybe they come back and coach. I'm all onboard with pushing watching GCPL games. I think your advocacy is instrumental for LA soccer.
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Post by Soccerboy123 on Mar 9, 2021 20:54:12 GMT -6
Culture, nothing will change until you change the culture of the current parents, current players and the new wave of both. Just go to a youth game and listen to what the parents cheer for. That’ll tell you right away the lack of knowledge of the game is waaaaay off. When parents are cheering for a player who just booted it downfield when they had time to settle and find an easy square ball, that’s going to stick in that players head as a positive. When a coach is purposely putting his fastest players up top or in the back and playing a ping pong match and parents are just going ape Geaux Saints thinking their team is the best in all the bayou, that’s a problem. A big one. I have an easy solution for y’all and your young ones, if they wish to be in an environment that promotes a high level. Take them to a GCPL/NPSL/USL2 game. Go watch grown men, who played professionally, collegiately, a small few on the international stage, and witness how fast the game can be. Go watch a team play out of the back and unlock opposing teams defenses with simple, sharp and concise passing. Watch a kid take a 50 yard cross on the dime, settle with great touch away from defender and slotting home a 25 yard upper 90 blast. Go personally witness these things happen and not on your TV. Go get hammered and take out your weekly aggression on the opposing keeper all game. 90% of parents with kids playing youth soccer have no desire to learn about the game beyond what their little Bobby or Sally is doing. How do you expect your kids to be better than kids who eat, live and sleep this game? Other parts of this country have a strong soccer culture and their regions have a pipeline of talent. It’s not the lack of talent. Louisiana has the highest success rate of pro athletes per capita in all major league sports in the country. The talent is here. We just need more people to invest in the sport beyond joining your local club board until your kid graduates. A Louisiana club merger would be a long term detriment. More small sided courts, more inclusion, more parent education, more supporting your local club. High school soccer is play to win even if that means playing kickball.
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Post by lasoccerbaw on Mar 9, 2021 20:57:16 GMT -6
Culture, nothing will change until you change the culture of the current parents, current players and the new wave of both. Just go to a youth game and listen to what the parents cheer for. That’ll tell you right away the lack of knowledge of the game is waaaaay off. When parents are cheering for a player who just booted it downfield when they had time to settle and find an easy square ball, that’s going to stick in that players head as a positive. When a coach is purposely putting his fastest players up top or in the back and playing a ping pong match and parents are just going ape Geaux Saints thinking their team is the best in all the bayou, that’s a problem. A big one. I have an easy solution for y’all and your young ones, if they wish to be in an environment that promotes a high level. Take them to a GCPL/NPSL/USL2 game. Go watch grown men, who played professionally, collegiately, a small few on the international stage, and witness how fast the game can be. Go watch a team play out of the back and unlock opposing teams defenses with simple, sharp and concise passing. Watch a kid take a 50 yard cross on the dime, settle with great touch away from defender and slotting home a 25 yard upper 90 blast. Go personally witness these things happen and not on your TV. Go get hammered and take out your weekly aggression on the opposing keeper all game. 90% of parents with kids playing youth soccer have no desire to learn about the game beyond what their little Bobby or Sally is doing. How do you expect your kids to be better than kids who eat, live and sleep this game? Other parts of this country have a strong soccer culture and their regions have a pipeline of talent. It’s not the lack of talent. Louisiana has the highest success rate of pro athletes per capita in all major league sports in the country. The talent is here. We just need more people to invest in the sport beyond joining your local club board until your kid graduates. A Louisiana club merger would be a long term detriment. More small sided courts, more inclusion, more parent education, more supporting your local club. High school soccer is play to win even if that means playing kickball. That's why we're on the Club Board.
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Post by shadowman06 on Mar 9, 2021 21:36:16 GMT -6
So...the “Club Merger” being the ability for Louisiana players to participate at the highest Youth League level ( MLS Next) would be a detriment? This would basically be the first real “Academy” or “DA” in the history of Louisiana Soccer. Would this not open up an entire new World and opportunity to Louisiana players and Parents? How do you improve the Soccer Culture in Louisiana without a program like this?
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Post by copakid14 on Mar 9, 2021 22:27:40 GMT -6
Culture, nothing will change until you change the culture of the current parents, current players and the new wave of both. Just go to a youth game and listen to what the parents cheer for. That’ll tell you right away the lack of knowledge of the game is waaaaay off. When parents are cheering for a player who just booted it downfield when they had time to settle and find an easy square ball, that’s going to stick in that players head as a positive. When a coach is purposely putting his fastest players up top or in the back and playing a ping pong match and parents are just going ape Geaux Saints thinking their team is the best in all the bayou, that’s a problem. A big one. I have an easy solution for y’all and your young ones, if they wish to be in an environment that promotes a high level. Take them to a GCPL/NPSL/USL2 game. Go watch grown men, who played professionally, collegiately, a small few on the international stage, and witness how fast the game can be. Go watch a team play out of the back and unlock opposing teams defenses with simple, sharp and concise passing. Watch a kid take a 50 yard cross on the dime, settle with great touch away from defender and slotting home a 25 yard upper 90 blast. Go personally witness these things happen and not on your TV. Go get hammered and take out your weekly aggression on the opposing keeper all game. 90% of parents with kids playing youth soccer have no desire to learn about the game beyond what their little Bobby or Sally is doing. How do you expect your kids to be better than kids who eat, live and sleep this game? Other parts of this country have a strong soccer culture and their regions have a pipeline of talent. It’s not the lack of talent. Louisiana has the highest success rate of pro athletes per capita in all major league sports in the country. The talent is here. We just need more people to invest in the sport beyond joining your local club board until your kid graduates. A Louisiana club merger would be a long term detriment. More small sided courts, more inclusion, more parent education, more supporting your local club. High school soccer is play to win even if that means playing kickball. Have you watched the way the majority of the college teams play? Unfortunately the college game has turned into (especially on the girls side) a track meet where you don’t have to be a great player with fantastic technical ability. You have to be able to run through a wall and have one outlier quality that sets you apart. Listening to the All Star Game player interviews for the boys and girls, maybe 5 max of the top 40+ Male and female players said they were going to play at the next level. Why? It’s because of what Logic said, culture. Until you find a way to make tailgating at LSU and joining a fraternity/sorority the less attractive option for kids growing up, that is where the majority of the priorities will fall. Building programs to cater to the 1% is fine but that 1% is likely going to find a way to make it happen for themselves anyway. You cannot change our geography no matter who you try to combine together or who you put in charge to collect the checks. The bigger metro areas are more successful because you can play quality games close to home on a consistent regular basis...something we cannot do. I’m all for clubs collaborating to help the players that are looking for more. My daughter had several of those opportunities with other clubs. What did that equal in terms of legitimate college scouting opportunities...not much. Go to the specific college ID camps that you are interested in and work directly with those coaches. Consistent training everyday both individually and in a team environment as a youth player is critical vs traveling once a week to train with a better higher level team. There is a reason we have had so many different leagues, structures, names...DA, GA, ECNL, MLS Next...because most of those entities have been failures in terms of long term player development for the top level. It’s like the US Soccer Instructor Curriculum...before I can even get comfortable with the material I am teaching in courses, it changes into something completely different.
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Post by Soccerboy123 on Mar 10, 2021 7:37:22 GMT -6
High school soccer is play to win even if that means playing kickball. That's why we're on the Club Board. ok smart guy
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Post by yallcrazy on Mar 15, 2021 10:02:17 GMT -6
We have 17 votes for, and 3 votes against a Louisiana Superteam in this poll. Unfortunately, the 3 votes against will prevail because Louisiana Soccer caters to the unambitious and doesn't want to change. Hence my argument that the Superteam pathway will have to make the clubs MORE money in order to work. Parents of mediocre players (which is the vast majority) will be against a Superteam because they know their kids will be left out. They will complain to the clubs, who won't want to lose these registration checks. Rinse, dry, and repeat... Anyone check the attending college coach list for this weekends National League Playoffs in Orlando? That's the 16 best teams in the country in National League, and here are the coaches who will bother to check out the games online: app.scoutingzone.com/RegLink/2021%20National%20League%20Orlando/ScoutAttendees
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Post by firebruin on Mar 15, 2021 11:54:11 GMT -6
Next year, USYS is taking the top 12 National League teams from each region and putting them in like a super National League where they play 6 matches against other regions and 1 match against one from their own region.... Not sure how I feel about it yet... Seems like a money grab and a way to keep themselves somewhat up there with the other "elite" leagues.
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Post by yallcrazy on Mar 15, 2021 11:58:36 GMT -6
Will it be a higher level of soccer than local leagues, yes. Will it get Louisiana kids exposure to highest level college recruiting? No.
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