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Post by retired_thibodaux_coach on Feb 27, 2024 15:00:54 GMT -6
That's prob completely true, but those 4 schools aren't in the same school district. Denham would be with other Livingston Parish Public schools- Live Oak and Walker for example. While BRHS would be included with the EBR Schools, and Dtown & STA would be with Ascension parish schools- so just add EA to it. and for the record, my original post was just for jest and not to be taken seriously. It's all in jest and none of this should be taken seriously. I also think BRHS might be select anyway because they are magnet, right? I was just taking the borders away, kids go to Catholic from all those areas and more. BRM actually showed up on the EBR school district website so I'm not sure... and yes, now I understand what you meant from your original post. When I was in high school, they had students leave to go play football at a private school across a few parishes. Many would drive over an hour both ways to do so.. that's crazy IMO.
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Post by skenn on Feb 27, 2024 15:02:01 GMT -6
"I'm sorry, I should have STATED started and won the same amount of state championship games. OH WAIT...I did say that. I plainly said that." Just so we are clear here, your BURN on me is that my kid lost the state final, and by the way carried a shutout into sudden death, but didn't WIN. And he also started A LOT of games for a state championship team. That's 2 appearances in Hammond. How did you and your son enjoy the game, Bobby? Was the popcorn good? I found it a touch stale. (since you seem mildly "touched" I'll help...that's what a burn looks like, Bobby) "I guess Denham doesn't have enough of those gullible parents because most of their roster plays at one of the cheapest club in the state. I'm one of the few gullible ones. Again, you don't know what you don't know." They absolutely don't, that's kinda my point. Follow along here. Club soccer is expensive. Then Clubs decided to make it even MORE expensive (you'll ALL get scholarships...promise). That = bad for public school kids who already couldn't afford it. You obviously got your feelings hurt. But my point about the academics is relevant whether it hurts your feelings or not. Your club players tend to also be higher academic kids. And in the areas like Baton Rouge and New Orleans, those kids choose catholic schools. For the academics. My kids did go watch their friends and teammates (both teams), I didn't make the trip to Hammond nor did I watch it on TV. I did come cheer you guys on the game before though because Catholic has a lot of good folks/teammates we have known for a long time Sean. I was stating for all of the high and mighty, private school hill sitting, and $$$ spending, your season ended just like all the other teams. Sport is just manufactured adversity anyway. Call it a difference in philosophy but not everyone wants to go to a Catholic school even with those academic/athletic advantages, but it is a good choice for many. That = bad for public school kids who already couldn't afford it. Point agreed in conjunction with proximity. And in the areas like Baton Rouge and New Orleans, those kids choose catholic schools. For the academics. Point agreed We will have to agree to disagree on the rest. Next time you argue for public and I'll argue for private. "Call it a difference in philosophy but not everyone wants to go to a Catholic school even with those academic/athletic advantages, but it is a good choice for many." I never once said they did. I was pointing out that it is a real advantage for the private schools. You just get your feelings hurt for some reason thinking it's a statement on your kid. It's not. It's about the overall demographics of Club/High School soccer. But you are right, Catholic and Denham had nearly identical seasons. It is uncanny how similar they really were.
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Post by laffysoccermom on Feb 27, 2024 21:05:02 GMT -6
Why would Southside, Acadiana, & Lafayette be considered select? Aren't they public schools in Lafayette? apparently their school district has school choice All Lafayette schools are considered select now. So there is no split in Lafayette Parish at least in anything.
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Post by bayoutrashy on Feb 28, 2024 7:31:11 GMT -6
Yes! Nearly every other LHSAA sport does this. Give the public schools where soccer is the fourth most popular sport an opportunity to win a state championship.
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Post by petemitchell on Feb 28, 2024 7:58:45 GMT -6
apparently their school district has school choice All Lafayette schools are considered select now. So there is no split in Lafayette Parish at least in anything. Southside is still non select. They do not participate in school of choice
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Post by notdoxxingmyself on Feb 28, 2024 8:19:36 GMT -6
I wonder what district non-select Southside would fall into then...
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Post by kdhsamott on Feb 28, 2024 12:52:38 GMT -6
I believe every or nearly every charter or magnet in the state would be considered select.
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Post by retired_thibodaux_coach on Feb 28, 2024 13:38:54 GMT -6
I believe every or nearly every charter or magnet in the state would be considered select. This would be my understanding as well.
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Post by ScottGSB on Feb 28, 2024 17:26:09 GMT -6
(Start /sarcasm)
Let’s do this:
Create pools of 4 teams by putting schools together based on the following criteria:
1. Select/Non-Select 2. Enrollment 3. Proximity
Everyone can play a 17 game schedule. Then they go to Pool play. Basically everyone makes the State Semi-Finals and win you play to win State. No one finishes worse than 4th.
Everyone is happy!
Except the teams that finish 4th every year. Eventually it comes down to pools of two so everyone gets a chance to play for a State Championship.
(/sarcasm)
There will always be people unhappy.
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Post by sbkicksfan on Mar 6, 2024 6:04:57 GMT -6
I believe it’s been posted in another thread here, but if members serves that since championships have started, the record of those titles won is 105-12 for private schools versus public. That’s a pretty insane split. Something tells me that if this were reversed, there would be a clamoring to change the format.
I remember years ago when me and a friend of mine coached DYB all-stars. We had a team of 90% local kids who all played rev baseball, and 1-2 players who played travel ball. We had a couple of really good teams and did well in early games but once we got to the district levels, we noticed that all of the teams who were in those tournaments were loaded with travel kids who joined the All-Star teams by playing the handful of necessary innings during the end of the year to qualify. We had one kid who was a very good young pitcher who threw extremely hard, but once we played the teams with travel kids, he got shelled. It got to the point after a few years we couldn’t get the better kids to play All-Stars during the summer because many parents said “there’s no point in wasting an entire summer only to get 10-run ruled in early July”.
There are advantages in every sport depending on how teams are put together. Better players that would have normally played public schools sports, have gravitated to private schools because they and their parents know the chances of winning increase, as well as the fact that most of the parents who can afford to send their kids to private schools can also afford club/travel ball.
It seems to me that those in favor of keeping the playoff format as it is are likely more coming from the private school side, and yet I see both viewpoints make valid points. It would be a huge accomplishment for a public school to win a title vs a private school, yet seems to me that if it were split the private schools would still complain because the likelihood of a lower seed pulling an upset would increase vs other private schools. I think the same top-tier schools would still find their ways to the championships though.
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Post by fourfourtwo on Mar 6, 2024 12:30:54 GMT -6
There should absolutely be a split like there is in other sports. In most cases students that attend true (LHSAA defined) non-select public schools do not have the same financial advantages of those at select schools. I know it's been mentioned as a "socioeconomic discussion that doesn't need to happen" but all that is doing is ignoring the elephant in the room. Players who can afford to be a part of those TDP/c1 level club teams will typically find themselves amongst their fellow club players at the nearest private high school. Yes, those players are have another level of talent, and yes those players are typically better developed because of the coaching and training provided to them, but requiring programs that do not have a choice as to what players they will inherit to compete against programs that get to be selective with the level of player they put on the field is delusional.
The terrible truth is that high level soccer is becoming "pay to play". Very rarely will you find a non select program with the level of talent and development required to beat those teams full of 11/12th grade TDP/c1 level club players at some of the "prominent" private schools. There's a reason you don't see many public schools choosing to compete with those programs during the regular season. Forcing the issue in the playoffs seems pointless.
And for those "everyone gets a trophy" folks... Split the total number of teams down the middle in each classification into 2 divisions each. "Select Div I and Select Div II Championship" and a "Non-Select Div I and Non-Select Div II Championship" for boys and the same for girls. You're still sitting with 8 Championship games (which is what is currently the case).
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Post by retired_thibodaux_coach on Mar 6, 2024 13:16:00 GMT -6
There should absolutely be a split like there is in other sports. In most cases students that attend true (LHSAA defined) non-select public schools do not have the same financial advantages of those at select schools. I know it's been mentioned as a "socioeconomic discussion that doesn't need to happen" but all that is doing is ignoring the elephant in the room. Players who can afford to be a part of those TDP/c1 level club teams will typically find themselves amongst their fellow club players at the nearest private high school. Yes, those players are have another level of talent, and yes those players are typically better developed because of the coaching and training provided to them, but requiring programs that do not have a choice as to what players they will inherit to compete against programs that get to be selective with the level of player they put on the field is delusional. The terrible truth is that high level soccer is becoming "pay to play". Very rarely will you find a non select program with the level of talent and development required to beat those teams full of 11/12th grade TDP/c1 level club players at some of the "prominent" private schools. There's a reason you don't see many public schools choosing to compete with those programs during the regular season. Forcing the issue in the playoffs seems pointless. And for those "everyone gets a trophy" folks... Split the total number of teams down the middle in each classification into 2 divisions each. "Select Div I and Select Div II Championship" and a "Non-Select Div I and Non-Select Div II Championship" for boys and the same for girls. You're still sitting with 8 Championship games (which is what is currently the case). I think the sport of soccer as a whole has a "pay to play" issue in this country. Heck, it isn't just soccer but pretty much in every sport now.
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Post by cityzensfan on Mar 6, 2024 20:53:35 GMT -6
I would love to see a split, but I don’t think it will happen. I do not think soccer is really popular like basketball, baseball, or football. The public principals do not care that much. Soccer is kind of the red-headed step child of high school athletics. It will likely stay the same and the private schools will continue to dominate the sport. With pay to play, wealthier private schools basically can have depth the public schools can’t compete with.
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Post by sbkicksfan on Mar 6, 2024 20:53:49 GMT -6
Seems to me that private schools don’t want to split because the likelihood of early upsets increases if all the teams are select. The level of play on a low seed select team is still a very good team versus a lower seeded non-select. I mean if we keep arriving at the same destination why not split? The select teams would still pad their championship legacies while non-selects would have shots at building their own.
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