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Post by timaeus on Mar 3, 2005 7:55:05 GMT -6
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Post by DREDG03 on Mar 3, 2005 11:59:29 GMT -6
love the trophy
should get championship belts instead of rings
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Post by cardsinhand on Mar 3, 2005 14:08:39 GMT -6
As a ref, looking at the pictures on the page "FINALS V. JESUIT (4) 2-26-05", picture "1538-749.jpg", I would say that a foul is being commited. Regardless of if the defender hit the ball first or not, his tackle is clearly from the side in a manner that may injury the attacker. Although the picture does not show it, I would assume that the defenders momentum will continue and he will hit the attackers legs therfore taking him to the ground and out of the play. A foul, tripping. If it should happen inside the 18, then a PK should be awarded. Just my opinion as a ref.  |
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Post by Ghandi on Mar 3, 2005 14:29:18 GMT -6
Man, I sure do make some wierd faces when I don't know the camera is taking my picture.
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Post by bowlingball on Mar 3, 2005 16:51:20 GMT -6
cards.........thats is not the tackle. the pk was called on a tackle made on # 24
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Post by futbol1811 on Mar 3, 2005 17:02:15 GMT -6
i noticed that too ghandi lol, but you still played well
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Post by keeper25 on Mar 3, 2005 17:57:23 GMT -6
i love pitcures of soccer players because they are always more into the game than the photographer getting thier good side. the expressions on their faces are priceless.
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Post by on Mar 3, 2005 20:11:31 GMT -6
I dont know if that picture, 1538-749, is the PK tackle or not. And I wont debate that call. But that tackle in the picture is clean. THere is nothing in that tackle that is a foul. Nothing in that picture is a foul. Was there action before or after that picture? That would be a different part of the decision. That we dont know or see. But that picture is a clean tackle. Just because the player fell over the legs does not make it a "trip". The defender has both legs down, not around the knees. Cleats are not up. But again, what we see is a only a piece of the tackle, not the whole sequence. If you go to the USSF site and look at the referee instructional material www.ussoccer.com/referees/content.sps?iType=4169&icustompageid=6686 under Entry Level Referee Training Course, click on the ppt slides of Law 12. There is a slide on a clean tackle that reads "Tackler makes contact with ball FIRST, player trips over ball or legs near ground. NOT a foul." Just my opinion....... |
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Post by cardsinhand on Mar 3, 2005 22:08:52 GMT -6
First of all, bowlingball, remember I am not questioning any call in the finals. I was not there and will not question it. I am just looking at a picture on a web site pointed out by Timaeus. Please lets just leave it at that. Secondly, futbol, your points are well taken. What is shown in the still picture is not a foul. Cleats are down, contact w/ the ball first, and no contact with the attacker. Maybe I should have said will be commited. It looks to me as if 12 will continue to slide and HE will hit 18's legs, not 18 hitting 12 and falling over. IMHO 12 is initiating the contact based on the position of 18, therefore commiting a foul. Futbol, your point on the USSF site is also a good point, but look at the picture you quoted. The defender hits the ball first straight on and the attacker trips on the ball as he continues to move forward. Agreed, no foul. In this photo, 12 is sliding from the side and it appears to me he will go through the path 18 is taking and not 18 running through the path that 12 is taking. Based on 18's sideways position, I doubt he is trying to run through 12. It looks like 12 is going to slide so far that his hip will hit 18. His form is clean (cleats down,body low), but I would say his timing with 18 is off. When I make my calls, I base my opinion on who is initiating the contact. And IMHO 12 will commit a foul if he makes contact with 18. If that is incorrect, I sure hope the powers that be correct me before I go through my next assesment and go back to regionals. ;D What do the rest of you refs think about this photo? Any other insite would be appreciated  |
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Post by Bish on Mar 3, 2005 23:34:00 GMT -6
Since the foul was after the ball was kicked away, and after the play, shouldn't that be an indirect kick?
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Post by cardsinhand on Mar 4, 2005 8:12:04 GMT -6
Sorry Fish, but it's still a penal foul against an opponent and results in a direct free kick. If it occurs inside the 18, PK. manchurianman, remember we are not questioning an official's call in a perticular game, just trying to LEARN some of the Laws and interpretations of them. I know as an official myself, I want to know what is correct or not and get better. Hopefully there are others out there who desire the same things, officials, players, coaches , and fans!  If everyone can get a better understanding of the laws then hopefully there will be alot more love spread on the fields and on this board. ;D ;D Buy the way, did I mention I'm a teacher! ;D Lifelong learning! |
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Post by McScruff on Mar 4, 2005 10:07:35 GMT -6
Do you teach your students to use "buy" instead of "by"?
Sorry, just kidding...couldn't resist.
As for learning and spreading the laws of the game...there was a thread on deliberate handling a few weeks ago that I thought was very enlightening. I thought...However, in watching several games since reading that thread I have noticed that either the content in that thread was incorrect or every ref I have seen fails to interpret it properly. What's up with that?
Also, maybe you should start another Referee 101 thread and let this one die.
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Post by takeitdowntown1 on Mar 4, 2005 11:27:54 GMT -6
As for learning and spreading the laws of the game...there was a thread on deliberate handling a few weeks ago that I thought was very enlightening. I thought...However, in watching several games since reading that thread I have noticed that either the content in that thread was incorrect or every ref I have seen fails to interpret it properly. What's up with that? Also, maybe you should start another Referee 101 thread and let this one die. I agree. Most of the things said in that thread are never called that way. As a ref, looking at the pictures on the page "FINALS V. JESUIT (4) 2-26-05", picture "1538-749.jpg", I would say that a foul is being commited. I find it amusing that people are analyzing this fould by looking at a single picture. But I guess you use what you got and the other people on this website aren't man enough to take responsibility for their own or their colleagues actions and put a video clip of the famous foul on this website for everyone to view. |
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Post by McScruff on Mar 4, 2005 11:59:14 GMT -6
clip of the famous foul on this website for everyone to view. One might even call it infamous... |
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Post by Bish on Mar 4, 2005 12:20:20 GMT -6
ZING!
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Post by cardsinhand on Mar 4, 2005 15:51:57 GMT -6
McScruff, thanks for the correction  , if it makes you feel more secure about sending your kids to public school; I don't teach English but I am Highly Qualified!  ;D ;D ;D I know we should let it die, but to me a video clip showing a controversial (sp?? McScruff??) call would be great for a referee clinic. It's like everyone's been saying we play with LAWS and there is room for interpretation (?? now I've got a complex, Thanks  ) I really want to LEARN! This just seems like a teachable moment! Thanks for listening, bye! (Is that one used and spelled correctly my friend?) Everyone have a great weekend! ;D |
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Post by McScruff on Mar 4, 2005 16:00:59 GMT -6
haha...good laugh. I'm a product of public school, so I won't hold that against you. I'm just a sucker for irony.
Sorry if eye have given ewe a complex...I was really just joking around.
I agree with everything you said about the reviewing calls. I am a firm believer in review and evaluation. In any field, I believe that it is important to look at what you and those around you have done and honestly review and evaluate past work. I am sure the officials have and are doing this, but I would like to learn also. I am fascinated about learning the rules and interpretations of them beyond simply reading them in a rule book. Books can only take you so far.
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Post by Bish on Mar 4, 2005 17:23:31 GMT -6
"The more you know!"
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Post by brhsoccer14 on Mar 4, 2005 18:00:59 GMT -6
No, no. The posts by Manchurianman, bouree, and I are correct. ;D
My game last night centered by a prestigious referee, had three balls call for handling which were all right calls, and one even got a caution for basically catching the ball. Right in front of me, and then he wants to complain about it....
I couldn't get the pics.
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Post by Hooligan on Mar 5, 2005 18:31:17 GMT -6
One thing that I have yet to hear about that's clearly shown on the photos............the number of players with illegal shin guards and improperly worn (protecting the knee bettter than the lower shin).
Wasn't there a new rule this year that was supposed to be enforced more strictly?
Shame on you players, coaches, and officials......
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If everyone can get a better understanding of the laws then hopefully there will be alot more love spread on the fields and on this board. ;D ;D
, if it makes you feel more secure about sending your kids to public school; I don't teach English but I am Highly Qualified! 
;D ;D ;D
) I really want to LEARN! This just seems like a teachable moment!