SCORES AND GOALS

[LADYRAMDAD]

Would love all teams posting to give the goal scorers as well as the final score.
I will try to keep a current team record and goal leader board .
Only full games please , no scrimmages. Jamborees ,tournaments and regular season games .
While I am more interested in Div I , I will keep all the divivions up to date.
Thanks

[PumasFC]

Know this will be a sore subject but early on I have notice a lot of 10 - 0 scores. This means lots of meaningless goals are being scored. I would propose when posting scores on this post or others give credit for the game winning goal. this is the only one that has meaning in the grand scheme of things. The GW goal should be the one that puts the winning team in a lead, and is not tied or passed by the losing team. If you have draws in your district obviously you would not have a Game Winning Goal scored.
at the end of the season the most GW's would be 20 if your team ran the table and was undefeated. We would also be better able to determine what players produced in critical games rather than someone who knocked in 6-10 against inferior teams on a teams schedule (in the case of teams playing over matched , Walker, Central,Arch Bishop Blenk, Tara, Bolton, West Ouachita, to name a few).
It will be a herculean job to keep up with the top goal scorers, and this may limit some or at least give credit where it should go.

[pompey]

No goalscorers from me. Highlight team effort, not the individual.

[alleyball]

ahhh, music to my ears, pompey. Someone who is focused on the "team" concept. Sooooo many like to call out the individuals, swell the heads, cause the separation, and divide the team. Its so refreshing to see someone try to avoid "Divisor Thread". After all, as I have said before, "Individuals win honors, teams win championships".

Now it is time for me to add the third part of this statement:

"Individuals win honors, teams win championships, and fans/parents separate the two"

[PumasFC]

The two above post are very correct, unfortunately I have watched much huffing and puffing about the greatest players, and how many goals they score on these boards over the last several years. Scoring a lot of goals has been the main way to get recognized for post season honors.

[mrdashriprock]

I hope that's not the way it works in Div I District 1. I don't think that the coaches I know would base their nominations and votes purely on the highest numbers. If most of those goals were scored after the game was well in hand they mean absolutely nothing. Maybe we should have two columns for the leading goal scorers - one for those goals scored within a 4-goal differential (including GWs) and the other for the meaningless ones over that.

[LADYRAMDAD]

I will keep track of goals only. if you do not wish to participate , it only hurts your players . this post was meant to just recognize goal scorers and actual records of teams. It doesnt matter whether you score 5 goals in a 10-0 win, or 3 straight games of scoring the only goal in your teams 1-0 games. Goals are what wins games . Goals show up in the Boxscore. You cannot win a game without putting the ball in the back of the net. With apoligies to defenders, and goalkeepers, this isnt about them. You cannot win with bad defense and keeping either.
BUT this is about goals pure and simple. So why cant we just agree thats all there is here.
I wish to keep track of goals and records. All I am asking is a little cooperation. This isnt political, this isnt self serving, this is just an attempt at some record keeping. Get off the "lets equal everything out, be fair to everybody kick". This is not a fair world and will never be one.
OK my soapbox is getting slippery now, so I must go.

[alleyball]

Well, there proves my 3rd point.................... "fans/parents separate the two". Have your fun chasing individuals.

[pompey]

I would be more pleased with a forward scoring one goal ina 2-1 loss to a far superior opponent than 6 goals in one 10-0 game.

"It only hurts your players" Nope, don't think so. Get off that kick.

Is your daughter a defender, midfielder or goalkeeper?

[snowbird]

Ok y'all...lighten up a little please or I'll start a new thread that says, "Post the leading players to receive Yellow/Red cards." Because you know that every mom, dad, player, or even coach with angenda or chip on his/her shoulder will post. We will have more yellow cards than goals this season reported and you all know it.

Pumas FC has a good point: NCAA records game winning goals as a stat (exactly as he states in his post). LADYRAMDAD has a valid point as well: # of goals scored is objective and should be taken into account as FACT and recorded. Both stats are relative when taken into the proper context.

If player A has 10 game winning goals and her team was 10-8 and average(meaning not a powerhouse...say 1st round exit from playoffs), then that gamewinning goal stat is VERY relavent. She obviously carried her team and even though she may not lead the state in goals....her timing is what matters.

If player B has 35 goals and her team wins State...well 35 goals is 35 goals. Just as long as she didn't score 5-6 goals against every "very weak" , and y'all know what I mean by that, anyway...well like I said, 35 goals - that's alot of balls in the net.

you both make good points.

I think I may start that yellow card thread anyway just to stir things up....

[LADYRAMDAD]

sorry , some of you have issues that need to be resolved elsewhere. SNOWBIRD makes excellent points , thank you.
And you dont need to post the scores and goals on this thread. I will check other post for the info.
pompey and alleyball , thanks for your input, hopefully someone else from whatever organization you belong to will cooperate in order to give goal-scorers a little recognition. and before you say , "well, they get all the recognition" , thats a good point. but the player who only scores 1 or 2 all year doesnt.
And yes ,my daughter will score some goals. and no ,she wont score 35, or 5-6 against weak teams.
this thread was meant to just accumulate information, not to start a political rumble.

[pompey]

Danielle Jordan MVP. I have heard a lot about her. all positive. I have seen her play 3 times, again all positive. And I agree you cannot just take into consideration goals scored. There is so much more needed.

Nice quote, ladyramdad.

as for other members of our organization, nope we're all on the same page actually. Very team oriented. Good luck anyway.

Issues needing resolving.....you likely need to look in the mirror.

[uncsoccer]

Enough for goodness sake! Of course it is a team sport but like any team sport there are players that get more recognition than others.... Micheal Jordan, Wayne Gretzky,Jerry Rice,Walter Payton just to name a few. Likewise there are defensive players that get more recognition than the others... Ehrlacher, Rodman, L.T.,... and there are those that do both. The point is is that although a team sport, there are players on both sides that deserve to be singled out. I for one won't single out players, but if others want to that is their right and it is OK. What is wrong with being proud of your players/friends/children? as long as they truly deserve it. P.S. I have seen Kelly Murphy singled out for quite some time and rightfully so but did not see any complaining there!

[pompey]

Everyone relax, tis all good.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion.
best of luck to all, and stay warm! Very chilly and it is only November!!

[PutMeInCoach2]

wow... i feel the love on this thread... just no all out fights, and a little respect for each others opinions... and have at it!

[alleyball]

Hey, all is good, its your right to single out individuals, just as it is my and pompey's right to focus on team.

Differences are just what makes the world go round, in this case we have people who want to cause separation and people who want to bring things together. Its just the difference between what fans/parents/media want to do (cause separation) and what coaches want to do (build team unity). The point is you have to realize what your actions do to programs.

Its all good, you don't have to get all upset. We were just stating our opinion on the topic, that's (I think) what these threads are all about.

[alleyball]

uncsoccer - apples to walnuts comparison ! pro players to high school teens. maturity levels should be vastly different, and even then, singling out has a drastic impact on team performance.

[uncsoccer]

First of all when did I compare pro athletes to teens... or OK, lets compare teens to teens, for instance... ADU wow thats a teen, altidore another teen, do you realize that hamm was 15 when she played for the us womens team? hows that for teens? Bet it would have been better to focus on the TEAM instead of developing and recognizing those players too. But wait they are professionals also so that doesn't count does it. No one should have recognized them because that hurt the TEAM. If coaches, player and parents did not promote their players how would they get recruited? ohhh wait I get it Anson comes to LA regularly to look at the teams right? And just so you know(in case you didnt read my whole post) I said that I would not single out players but that has changed since your post Alley because you talked me into it!

[alleyball]

Do what you gotta do uncsoccer. Doesn't change the truth.

[uncsoccer]

You are right and the truth is that there are those that should be recognized and those that shouldnt be. Which one are you? ohh I forgot you are not important at all only the team.