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Post by PutMeInCoach2 on Feb 8, 2007 10:34:39 GMT -6
THe bashing of referee's is and will not be tolerated on this board. Your post will start getting deleted, and if it continues your account may be locked or deleted. If you have any questions you can send me a private message.
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Post by pompey on Feb 8, 2007 12:08:36 GMT -6
Verywell said............bad parents, finding something to clutch on to, to ease pain of a loss. Why not let things be.
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Post by tbone5471 on Feb 8, 2007 13:02:05 GMT -6
one question-who monitors the really bad ones? well two questions-if they have a bad one, what happens to them?? not bashing, just curious......
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Post by PutMeInCoach2 on Feb 8, 2007 13:09:01 GMT -6
one question-who monitors the really bad ones? well two questions-if they have a bad one, what happens to them?? not bashing, just curious...... The referee's are monitored by the assignor of the association that they come from. If the assignor feels that the referee is unqualified, then he or she does not assign them any games. At the current time, it is hard for teams to get referees. Also the referees are exhausted, so they will not be at the top of their game. Many coaches are argueing for less tournaments, or refuse to play in the alotted 3 tournaments because the amount of times between games. While referees are referee-ing 2 or 3 games a day for 2 or 3 days in a row trying to get these games played. Not only are they doing this. They are holding full-time jobs, or are going to school full time. If you take the 45/35/35/35 ratio they get plus .60 cents a mile one way, one vehicle, it is not worth them referee-ing. Let's take a Lafayette crew, who has a game in New Orleans. Approx 140 miles = 84.00 - for for about 4 1/4 hours of driving. Meaning an AR makes 55 dollars for about 7 hours worth of work, ASSUMING that there is no OT. Depending of there job, this may not be half what they would have made for staying at their job, and being home for 5:00.
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Post by reddevil on Feb 8, 2007 13:36:37 GMT -6
Which means they may want to end the game before it goes to overtime.
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Post by cajunsoccerguy on Feb 8, 2007 14:49:34 GMT -6
As a referee and assignor, I would love to comment here. As referees, we are exhausted. I covered 21 teams with about 18 referees on a GREAT night. Usually I only had 12-14. For the amount of time actually on the field refereeing, the pay is OK. However, it is all the travel, "bashing", tournaments, etc. that weigh on us most heavily. On top of that, WE AN"T GETTING ANY YOUNGER, and there are few people willing to get out of the stands and make the sacrifice we make for the kids. I lost 3 VERY good referees this year due to "bashing" during games. I also have very few prospects joining us next year. I am one of the young ones (28) with thick skin, but it won't be long, and I'll be aging not so gracefully at the rate I am doing games. I hate to say it, but there will come a time that, due to age, burnout, "bashing", etc. that there will not be enough referees. I dread that day, and can only hope that we can get some people who want the kids to play come out and learn more about the game as a referee.
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Post by socrrulz02 on Feb 8, 2007 16:57:07 GMT -6
Which means they may want to end the game before it goes to overtime. No because if they didn't want to be out there in the first place they wouldn't have done the game. I think most coaches, players, and parents forget that referees are independent contractors and do not have to do games unless they want to. They are not required to ref any specific number of games. Once you're out on the field whether or not you go to overtime doesn't matter. If your trip is 7 hours or 7.5 hours, what does it really matter?
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Post by blackandtan on Feb 8, 2007 17:22:49 GMT -6
This is hard to do...very hard to do, but I try and sometimes I do fail. My simple (personal) rule: If you didn't play the game, don't criticize the player. If you didn't coach, don't criticize the coach. If you didn't referee, don't criticize the referee. In many cases, the biggest problem with parents is they don't understand the game. Yes, refs make bad calls, they are human and make mistakes. So do players and so do coaches... I've made my share.
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Post by misltek on Feb 8, 2007 17:40:13 GMT -6
There are very, very few people who should be criticizing an official's performance that the official should take to heart. Fortunately, most of us who have been around for a while invite criticism when it comes from the right person; merely being a USSF referee for a week and attempting to give me pointers on my game in an NFHS match will get you laughed at. The crew at the Vandebilt/Ursuline game was very receptive to the feedback I gave them.
Spectators....the age-old battle between us and the spectators. It's not a battle at all, it's a matter of who's certified/on the field and who's in the stands complaining. I have yet for a spectator to get certified NFHS.
I must admit, I thoroughly enjoy most of the comments I hear from the stands.
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Post by brhsoccer14 on Feb 8, 2007 22:21:10 GMT -6
Haha. I agree with misletk. I like to hear what fans have to say because it amuses me... I also like to see their posts on the board! But PutMeInCoach is a party pooper. J/k.
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Post by PutMeInCoach2 on Feb 8, 2007 22:24:26 GMT -6
Haha. I agree with misletk. I like to hear what fans have to say because it amuses me... I also like to see their posts on the board! But PutMeInCoach is a party pooper. J/k. lol... Somebody got to keep you'll in line. Heaven forbid we let you'll get away with everything. Although I probally am more strict since its playoff time... I mean come on, what kind of words are you'll calling me behind my back right now!
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Post by sosoplayer24 on Feb 9, 2007 0:11:32 GMT -6
#$%$# @#$%^& is all I can think of right now. You're doing a good job. Keep it up.
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Post by soccerB on Feb 9, 2007 8:41:05 GMT -6
I agree with everything that has been said about refs here. I believe that nobody should be able to threaten or insult a referee during a game without suffering the consequences. I mean in baseball or football they remove disrupting fans from the stadium so why couldn't we do the same here. I think principals are at fault too when they let their students, their parents and their coaches behave in such disgusting ways. But anyways, while I do understand the problems the refs are facing my main concern is that most of the referees I know never played the game before. I tried to be a ref once and I was a player myself. we had just one evening course on the laws of the game. The guy who conducted the class was very good and I actually learned something myself but it was only one night. I think another dimension to the ref problem is education. compare to other states and other nations there is no continuing education for referees. The best ones in Louisiana learn their trade on the field which means that the rookies are usually on their own. A ref that never played the game can't always make the difference between shoving an opponent and keeping him/her at bay. I have seen team playing rough but playing clean but some refs will whistle at everything which is very frustrating. On the other end, there are teams out there, and I think everyone knows who they are, whose fan base are so ugly (cat calls, parents asking for blood and so on) and game ethic so low that playing them is almost putting your players at risk for major injuries. unfortunately some refs wait too long to start showing some yellows and reds that's when they start losing control and when it starts to get really ugly. I think better training for rookie referees could be the solution.
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Post by cajunsoccerguy on Feb 9, 2007 9:56:08 GMT -6
I think better training for rookie referees could be the solution. I think this is a great idea. However, I have to ask one question. Who is going to train these rookie referees? All of the experienced referees are out working games, or spending what little free time they have with thier families (yeah we have families too). Also, most of the young referees are committed to 2, 3, 4, or 5+ other obligations, not counting school. Great theory, but neeeds commitment from and more of these young referees. It works in other countries and states, because most of the soccer community there ONLY focus on soccer.
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Post by brhsoccer14 on Feb 9, 2007 14:14:27 GMT -6
"[Referees] are not gods"
Hey! Hey! Speak for yourself! : p
No, no, just kidding.
There are actually quite a few referees that I know that have played the sport and still do. Most of the referees I work with still play, but of course only in amateur leagues because one can't possibly man-manage time so well that he or she can juggle both playing semi professionally and referee (or maybe one can, but it would be a very difficult task). I do believe that playing is a great background for a referee and gives a jump start to any new referee's career, but I don't think, as Ive seen with some refs, that you have to be a player or former player to be a good referee.
Also, there is training for referees in the state, they just have to make the time to get it or ask for it (meaning they must want it). Unfortunately, to some, refereeing isn't something they aspire to be good at since the net benefits aren't enough. When I say net benefits... (Fun + Pay)-(Time + Displeasure); displeasure being ignorant spectators, players, coaches, and sometimes co-workers as you can find in many jobs. The more displeasure one receives from reffing, the less they find it desirable to move up in the ranks and get better. There is training at the local level(although minimal, I will admit) and opportunities to go and get training at ODP with very little cost, outside of time, to the person wishing to receive training. As for myself, I am always looking for more training, watching fellow referees that are rising in the ranks, critiquing their style and taking from them what I like, and getting feedback. I'm also open to any questions from any referees that wish to rise through the ranks and give them accounts of my experience inside and outside the state. There are a few people I know, including myself, that would love to help younger refs aspiring to be the best they can be.
[Gets off soapbox] So yeah, don't yell at referees too much (You can a little, I always like to hear the comments from those who think they know the art of refereeing, but actually know little).
Also, I find it quite funny that some people get on here and complain about a ref, saying how horrible the referee was during the match and how he or she should never be allowed to ref again, and then I look to see who it is, and it's usually someone in the top ranks of the state and sometimes ex-Nationals and current National Assessors (You know who you are ; p).
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Post by misltek on Feb 9, 2007 15:01:25 GMT -6
Often, people yell and scream because they're either misinformed on a Rule (NFHS) or are just ignorant altogether. As I've said before, most of the time, they're trying to gain any advantage possible to help their team win, and spectators think there's no greater influence on the game than barking for calls from the center referee.
In my area (DC) we are blessed to have great numbers for our referees. This allows the more experienced referees to act in a mentor capacity and give the newer referees feedback. It comes down to resources, and unfortunately, LA does not yet have those resources. Maybe they do, I'm not sure, but I'm pretty sure our numbers here are extremely limited.
People are always, always going to comment on an official's performance, whether it's about one call or a hundred. That's part of what makes it enjoyable (for me). The amount of seriousness I give it depends on who it's coming from. Take that into account. When there's a dead ball, smile for a second; it could be worse.....you could have had to pay to sit in the bleachers and had no effect on the beautiful game.
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Post by cardsinhand on Feb 9, 2007 15:56:18 GMT -6
Often, people yell and scream because they're either misinformed on a Rule (NFHS) or are just ignorant altogether. I'll go with just ignorant. They just don't know the laws or how to interpret them. They just need to continue their education. Lifelong learning! I really believe their biggest mistake and why they don't learn them is they go to the fields to watch "their kid play" and not the "the game". It is possible to do both. I've noticed most people who tape matches are very quiet. I suspect that is because they have gone back home and watched the tapes and then realized how silly what they say sounds afterward. ;D ;D
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Post by sosoplayer24 on Feb 9, 2007 16:52:47 GMT -6
Well said suddendeath. I have 3 U18 girls players that were certified when they were 16 and lasted only 1 season as refs. The pressure of the game was nothing compared to the abuse they took from parents between U8 and U10. None of them are calling games now and refuse to even help with lines unless they can work the side away from the parents. I agree 110% with suddendeath that it's got to come from the associations down on what will be tolerated from players and parents.
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Post by pompey on Feb 9, 2007 19:44:27 GMT -6
225 magazine this months issue, great stuff. Basically about bad parents in sports..... Also online, www.225batonrouge.comA great read.
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Post by Steven Gerrard on Feb 10, 2007 6:52:01 GMT -6
Good post. I just emailed that article to all of the parents of the soccer team that I coach. Should be required reading for all parents.
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