Mandeville Dominican

[adelantero]

Having seen both teams in action, I offer up the following.

In the preseason, St Scholastica beat Mandeville 3-2 and in the regular season St Scholastica defeated Dominican 3-0. Dominican has a very good keeper, but lacks offensive fire-power. Mandeville has a solid backline defense, great center-mid in Hannah Macormic, and scoring ability uptop. Playing at home, I see a 3-0 Mandeville win.

[lakeview]

Mandy 2-1.

[fleurdelis]

I can not see Dominican doing much in this game. The dominican mt. carmel game was a hard fought game but if these two teams were to meet up ten times mt.carmel would beat them 9/10 times. This game was won on other tactics besides knowledge and skill of the game, which dominican lacks. But when all is said and done they won and moved on; but they won't continue much farther.
I personally would of much rathered seen Mandeville against Mt. Carmel in this game. It would of been a better game of soccer to watch and a real test on the better team. These two teams just seem to understand the game and know how to play it well.
I say Mandeville wins this one straight out, depending on how Dominican executes a plan will tell if they will give Mandy trouble. But Mandy will still pull away with the win.

[diverdo]

I was hoping to see some knowledgeable observations from others that attended. Mine is that Dominican did a great job of somehow figuring out how the referee would call the game - they "only' got 3-4 yellow cards while it seemed to a number of observers, including coaches in the stands and myself, that they should have received easily twice that many. Dominican scored the tieing goal in injury time on a shot from 40+ yds out that probably wasn't even intended to be a shot on goal with a Mandeville player on the ground for at least 20seconds and the Mandy girls distracted because the referee would not call time out,probably bending over backwards to not favor Mandy because they had completely controlled the 2nd half. From that point on he seemed to call fouls at every contact, favoring Mandy, trying to make up for the screwup. But the damage was done. Hats off to Dominican for hanging in there and special congratulations to the Mandeville girls for a really great season that ended too soon.

[ronaldo321]

1. Dominican can get physical...that is not illegal in soccer. They did get the cards they deserved...no more, no less. Mandeville did also get physical at points too. (Forward was getting a bit feisty on Dominican's keeper and she did get booked for it...once)

2. Everyone agrees that Dominican's "luck" shot was not even meant to be a shot. But also, the ball went straight up and came straight down....right over Mandeville's keeper(In my opinion...keeper should have had it). But the last thing to do...is to blame it on the referee.

3. I also agree that Dominican went into "panic mode" in the 2nd half after they got scored on twice(Two superb goals I say)...many teams do. They clearly picked it back up in overtime when they realized the game was not over. Dominican had a very nice and well-deserved goal in the 2nd overtime which gave them their win.


For all who think Dominican's last two games were not won on talent, I'm terribly sorry. Think what you would like, but these girls worked their backsides off to get where they are now...and are continuing to work hard. They'll prove anything else they need to.

[diverdo]

Ronaldso 321, I'm glad that there was a knowledgeable observer at the game. One great thing on the northshore that may or may not be available in other communities is that the H S athletic events are shown on replay a number of times by the local cable TV co. After reading your response I watched one of the replays to see if I was overreacting or not. I counted 7 trips from behind or knocking to the ground with no pretense about going for the ball against Mandsy players in possession of the ball - 2 were no calls (1 was in the box), 3 were fouls, and 2 were yellows - what is the rule - I honestly do not know after having 2 kids in H S soccer and Premier over the past 15 yrs? The other Dominican yellow was for taking out a Mandy defender 30 yds from the ball. My impression is that the Dominican coach not only is an excellent soccer coach but also directs his girls in kick boxing and other martial arts. If this really is all "legal" maybe all coaches should braden their instruction beyond "soccer." One last item that I forgot to mention is that 2 of the knowledeable observers (I do not include myself in that group) said after the game that the winning corner kick by Dominican had no arc and should have been waved off even before the header. I had forgotten about that comment but actually watched the replay and even the game narrator made the same comment and was surprised that it was not waved off. I watched the overtime portion of the replay again and it was a straight shot with no arc - what is the rule? How could my favorite inconsistent referee miss this when it is the only thing going on on the field unless he was blowing his nose or sneezing and maybe not even then. It was a beautiful header but was it an illegal corner kick?

[PutMeInCoach2]

I am a bit loss and feel kind of stupid. What do you mean by there was no arc to the corner. Did the ball not bend, kind of like a hard driven corner?

[justlovethegame]

I also watched this game on t.v. last night and had the same question. I think what diverdo is trying to say is that when the corner kick was taken the ball was placed on the ground about 6 or so inches in front of the arc (line). (The arc being referred to is the line drawn on the ground by the flag in the corner in the shape of an arc) Does the ball have to be touching this line when taken? The camera clearly shows the ball is no where near the line before the kick is taken so she is 6 or so inches closer to the goal before the kick is taken. Is it a legal kick or should it have been done over?

[cornerkick]

As far as I know, there is no rule about a corner kick having to arced(sp?). You can kick it on the ground if you desire. In fact, if you're the kicker, you would rather kick it with no arc. It gives the keeper less time to react and the ball is actually easier to head

[ShreveDad]

The way I understand and enforce it is that a portion of the ball must be over a portion of the arc to be a legal corner kick. It is the AR's job to make sure the ball is where it is supposed to be. If the camera wasn't right there on top of the ball, the true position of the ball may have been legal but didn't look like it.

[Timbertwin]

Since this cornerkick was in the side of the field without an AR, it was the center referee's job to make sure the ball was placed properly inside of the cornerkick arc.

As for a requirement that the ball arc, there is no such rule that necessarily states it has to "arc."

[brhsoccer14]

The ball starts from within bounds, therefore the ball can never be put into boundaries, although it is put into play once the ball is touched.
The ball must be over the line... it does not have to touch the physical line. The line can be extended upwards like an imaginary line. Most people, even most refs, don't know this.

In no way am I sticking up for any referee, I did not see the game and do not wish to say anything about the game, just stating some facts.

[diverdo]

thanks to all for the "arc" explanations - good luck to all of the remaining teams in the playoffs - there should be some great games but I am pulling for my northshore friends at Fontainbleu and St, Scholastica, both great teams, along with the Mandeville Lady Skippers!

[lsutigerman]

All I know is Mandeville got 3 yellow cards and played a very physical game and Dominican got 4 yellow cards and was not half as physical as the Mandeville girls. It is amazing whenever a team loses, the loser want's to blame the loss on anything or anyone except their own team play.