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Post by ShreveDad on Jan 19, 2008 9:22:37 GMT -6
Looks to me like 3 of these 4 will make it in. Either St. Amant or Hahnville will be the 3 seed from District 6 and 2 of the remaining 3 will be wildcards.
St. Amant (4-4) 2 to play
Hahnville (4-4) 2 to play
Captain Shreve (4-4) 2 to play
Northshore (5-7) 2 to play.
Captain Shreve will most likely finish at 5-5. They will finish with a 7-6 record against Division I teams this year. Is that going to be good enough to get us in over Northshore? They could finish with a 7-7 district record but I don't see any other matches against D1 teams on CoachRays results page.
Anyone have better info? We thought a week ago we were out of the playoffs. Maybe we aren't.
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Post by Timbertwin on Jan 19, 2008 18:45:07 GMT -6
VERY interesting. With only two wildcards, there's a good possibility that Captain Shreve, St.Amant or Hahnville, and Northshore can all finish with .500 district records. This would give them all the same district winning percentage at 50%, and then invoke the next tiebreaker criteria.
The next one is wins against Division I teams, as ShreveDad noted. Both Captain Shreve and Hahnville would have to end up with winning records against Division I teams in order to be in the mix, so that's a plus. Northshore would be at .500, since they apparently didn't play any Division I non-district matches. St. Amant, if they were to finish fourth, would have a losing record against Division I teams.
Looks like Captain Shreve has the best shot if they run the table ... interesting to see who makes it in out of St.Amant/Hahnville and Northshore.
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Post by Tigertail on Jan 24, 2008 12:33:55 GMT -6
Current Div. I WC Scenario with 1 game to go:
Teams listed with District Rec. (Win %), Div. I Rec. (Win%), Overall Rec. (Win %)
CAPTAIN SHREVE 5-4 (.555) 7-5-0 (.583) 10-10-2 (.455)
NORTHSHORE 6-7 (.462) 6-7-0 (.462) 9-9-1 (.474)
HAHNVILLE 4-5 (.444) 10-9-2 (.476) 10-10-3 (.435)
CAPTAIN SHREVE-District 1
Should make the 1st WC even with a loss to Caddo tomorrow due to their Div. I win %. Will either be travelling to St. Joe's or Dutchtown 1st round.
NORTHSHORE-District 7
In with a win over Ponchatoula. Would place Northshore with a .500 overall win % (3rd tiebreaker) over Hahnville for the second WC. A loss to Ponchatoula coupled with a Hahnville win, and Northshore would be out. With the win, would be facing the tough task of a trip to St. Joe's or Dutchtown.
HAHNVILLE-District 6
In with a win over Destrehan AND a Ponchatoula win over Northshore. Should Hahnville make the WC, they would travel to St. Joe's and Captain Shreve would travel to Dutchtown. Out (A) with a loss AND a Northshore win OR (B) out with a loss and a Northshore loss due to district record (1st Tiebreaker), then Northshore would get 2nd WC.
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Post by pompey on Jan 24, 2008 13:05:14 GMT -6
Wow, complicated stuff, sounds like those last few weeks of an NFL season.
St Louis will make playoffs with a win or tie with Tampa, plus New Orleans losing or teing to Atlanta, except if a Mardi Gras float interupts the balls natural trajectory.
Good luck to all three teams. If HHS is on the outside looking in, others must also be extremely worthy of post season play too.
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Post by phsdad on Jan 24, 2008 13:56:56 GMT -6
Isn't Ponchatoula still alive with a win over Northshore by 2 and a Hahnville loss? They would end up 6-8 with goal diff. tie breaker of Northshore.
New to this, this year thanks. Good luck to everyone it has been a fun year to watch soccer.
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Post by saders1fan on Jan 24, 2008 15:22:38 GMT -6
Always seems to be topsy-turvy right up to the end
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Post by Timbertwin on Jan 24, 2008 16:08:51 GMT -6
For District 7, the goal differential between the two teams is completely meaningless for wildcard berth determination. If Ponchatoula and Northshore end up tied at 6-8, the first tiebreaker in the district is record against Division I teams. Based on the information on this website, that would also be 6-8 for both teams. The next tiebreaker is overall record. Northshore's would be 9-10-1 (if they lose to Ponchatoula) while Ponchatoula's, according to this website, is 6-8. Unless Ponchatoula has other Division I games that have not been reported on this website, Northshore would be the fourth place team and not Ponchatoula based on the available information.
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Post by soccermom20 on Jan 24, 2008 16:19:17 GMT -6
Northshore will win against Poncatoula and will have one of the WC.
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Post by diverdo on Jan 24, 2008 16:21:18 GMT -6
Every time I read about the playoff methodology I wonder who thought up this system? Does anybody know? It obviously wasn't anyone from District 7!!! If Northshore somehow does not make it as a wildcard it would be just another example of this mess. Northshore has lost 7 games in its district with 6 of those losses coming from 3 of the top 10 teams in the state according to the poll. Once you take care of the geographic requirements how can there be a more deserving wildcard? An obvious improvement (which will not happen) would be to have just the top 2 teams in each district qualify and the rest would be wild cards under any process. That would at least let more quality teams participate at the expense of some (but not all) of the 3rd place teams that have awful records against mediocre competition.
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Post by soccermom20 on Jan 24, 2008 16:59:28 GMT -6
6 of Northshore's losses where to Fontainebleau, SSA and Mandeville and 1 to Hammond which went to PKs. Our first district game was against Fontainebleau which we lost 4-0 when we played them again we only lost 2-0. We lost to SSA the first time 4-0 and the second time we lost to them big 7-0. We lost to Mandeville 1-0 the first time and 4-0 the second time. The time we played Hammond we beat them 3-1 and the second time we played themwe lost after (2) OT's and PKs. I think the whole system is messed up. This district is very tough. Looking at the other districts it seems to be very uneven. Just my opinion.
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Post by phsdad on Jan 24, 2008 18:00:04 GMT -6
Ponchatoula beat walker this season as well which gives them one more win than Northshore against D 1 teams if they beat Northshore.
Soccermom you are pretty confident about the victory. Do you remember the first game? Was no score until the final 30 seconds? Good luck. I can't be as confident as you after watching the 2 teams battle the first time. I think its anyones game to win. Godd luck though it should be fun to watch.
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Post by gameday on Jan 24, 2008 18:24:48 GMT -6
Could everyone that reports on FHS (especially if you are part of their district) please spell the name of the school correctly?
It is spelled Fontainebleau . . . not Fountainebleau or Fountanbleau or anything else . .
Thank you! ;D
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Post by packfan on Jan 24, 2008 18:27:02 GMT -6
The Northshore district has one of the largest districts in Div I on top of having 3 of the top 10 teams in the state. It's not fair that the other five teams are all battling for a 4 th place wildcard bid. Something needs to be done to balance this in this district.
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Post by cornerkick on Jan 24, 2008 19:14:48 GMT -6
torsfan............You can't be serious? Imagine that! Well SSA and FHS aren't doing well in basketball, maybe we should reshuffle the districts for them too and balance the districts every year in each sport, on a sport by sport basis.
think about what you just said!
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Post by packfan on Jan 24, 2008 19:50:29 GMT -6
I do not recall 3 basketball teams out of the northshore district being ranked consistently in the top 10 in state for years on end. I think that strength of district play be weighted in the wildcard bids.And yes,I think that our distirct 4th and 5th teams should be considered in wc bids which they may now be doing this year. Cut the sarcasm- you can make your point without it.
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Post by ribeshears on Jan 24, 2008 20:32:39 GMT -6
How do they decide the WC?
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Post by Timbertwin on Jan 24, 2008 20:36:08 GMT -6
Wildcards go to 4th place teams with:
(1) highest district winning percentage
then, if more than two have same percentage
(2) best Division I record
then, if more than two teams still remain
(3) best overall record
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Post by cornerkick on Jan 24, 2008 20:37:50 GMT -6
My point is simply this...........this is a great district for athletics. There are many sports (basketball being an example) and those three schools do not dominate all of them. I know for a fact that many years went by before SSA had a descent soccer program. In fact NHS and Slidell once ran the show in this district for a long time while others took a beat down. In fact NHS had perhaps the greatest dynasty of all time in this state.
The problem is not the district but the system in which teams are selected for the play-offs. Clearly the third best team in this district is better than some district champions.
Soccer is a different breed and if you want your teams to be competitive your players must play at the highest club level. There is a reason that SSA, MHS, and FHS are at the top and that reason is Mandeville Soccer Club.
Sorry if I came across sarcastic but I believe you were looking at how the district through a microscope, not the big picture.
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Post by soccermom20 on Jan 24, 2008 22:12:59 GMT -6
PHSDad, I should be a very good game you are right about that. But I am confident that we can pull it off and far as the spelling of Fontainebleau "gameday" no one really cares and it really doesn't matter. You obviously understood what was being said.
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Post by Tigertail on Jan 25, 2008 9:27:07 GMT -6
Folks, the system is what it is. You want a "case in point," I offer up Destrehan from District 6.
Because of the "level of competition" in their district they have only managed 2 district wins--and they are a really good team. Do not have any shot at postseason, but could compete at that level. Comeaux would be a worthy adversary as well. However, these teams did not take care of their business, hence they will not get in. That's what it all comes down to, had Northshore swept Hammond, this would all be moot. If Hahnville had beaten East Ascension Tuesday night, same thing. Teams have to take of their own business.
Getting into "who deserves" to be in the postseason is a little too subjective. Most people in the know in HS soccer feel that District 9 is just sending lambs to the slaughter, but that's the system. Every district must be represented, and LHSAA determines the quantity and process for wildcard representation. Nobody has to like it, but that's the system until something changes.
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