|
|
Post by markusmerck on Oct 15, 2007 11:50:18 GMT -6
|
|
|
|
Post by furriner on Oct 16, 2007 10:40:16 GMT -6
as the USA today article says, "if religious, and not dangerous to either the player or others, it can be worn". The article also says that the tournament officials said it was okay. Sounds like a bogotted ref to me. Picture has all the ends tucked in. Is this any more dangerous than the kids wearing knitted caps in the winter? I don't think so. www.local10.com/news/14338498/detail.html |
|
|
|
Post by lather on Oct 16, 2007 22:03:45 GMT -6
I would not have a problem in a USSF game, if the hajib is worn wrapped and tucked into the jersey so that it does not present a danger to anyone.
In a High School game (NF), this would not be as clear-cut. NF does not allow head coverings except for soft caps in inclement weather. It does allow religious medallions if taped down.
I don't think that NF has issued a ruling on this yet. It is not in the current rule book.
I understand that the hajib is not a strict requirement for Islamic women, but I don't think that the sports field is a place to argue that.
Personally, I'd let her play as long as it was safe.
lather
|
|
Bench Warmer
Posts: 0
|
Post by on Oct 17, 2007 4:13:58 GMT -6
Referees need to be very cautious in prohibiting religious related garments. The only caveat is if the item is deemed unsafe to players. I think most would agree that the head wear is not dangerous. I can also advise that there is a young women in La who, because of religious beliefs is wearing a ankle length skirt. So this is becoming more of an issue everywhere. Is the skirt a danger? Be careful here. Look at the Spirit of the Law in cases like this.
In a similar thought, what about handicaps? What if a player with one arm threw the ball into play? By the letter of the Law, not allowed, 2 hands required. Look at intent and the spirit. Play the game.......
Dont be the referee that digs a hole you cant climb out of.
|
|
|
|
Post by packfan on Dec 6, 2007 21:32:13 GMT -6
We have a player on our team that has no arm below his elbow. To the disgrace of a coach of a team in the Baton Rouge last weekend(middle school league) that was beating the school team with the player I am talking about- coach had a fit that he said the player couldn't do a throw in with one arm. He can- and his parents are watching because they are very concerned about prejudice. The child can play and throw in without a hand as long as the form is correct. We had issue at a tournament in Miss with the club team he is on and a ref being influenced again by an ill informed and rather tacky coach. I do not think having no hand or arm below elbow is an "advantage" and anyone that calls against that is treading on thin ice especially if he is being influenced by a coach. It's like telling a player with no foot that he cannot throw in the ball because he does not have two feet on the ground to do the correct form. And by the way, our player is awesome, he plays basketball and baseball-pitches. The only sport that has made themselves look like fools with issues with this has been soccer.Sorry- but I am passionate about this! It has happened twice now by ref's that were being swayed by opposing coaches.
|
|
|
|
Post by PutMeInCoach2 on Dec 6, 2007 23:03:38 GMT -6
We have a player on our team that has no arm below his elbow. To the disgrace of a coach of a team in the Baton Rouge last weekend(middle school league) that was beating the school team with the player I am talking about- coach had a fit that he said the player couldn't do a throw in with one arm. He can- and his parents are watching because they are very concerned about prejudice. The child can play and throw in without a hand as long as the form is correct. We had issue at a tournament in Miss with the club team he is on and a ref being influenced again by an ill informed and rather tacky coach. I do not think having no hand or arm below elbow is an "advantage" and anyone that calls against that is treading on thin ice especially if he is being influenced by a coach. It's like telling a player with no foot that he cannot throw in the ball because he does not have two feet on the ground to do the correct form. And by the way, our player is awesome, he plays basketball and baseball-pitches. The only sport that has made themselves look like fools with issues with this has been soccer.Sorry- but I am passionate about this! It has happened twice now by ref's that were being swayed by opposing coaches. USSF Advice to Referees, p.68, Paragraph 15.3 "Properly Taken Throw-In" "A player who lacks the normal use of one or both hands may nevertheless perform a legal throw-in provided the ball is delivered over the head and provided all other requirements of Law 15 are observed." |
|
|
|
Post by packfan on Dec 7, 2007 5:53:20 GMT -6
Thank you so much! I am printing this and sending it to the coach today.
|
|
|
|
Post by furriner on Dec 7, 2007 10:18:15 GMT -6
Thank you so much! I am printing this and sending it to the coach today. Torsfan, I would also go to the ref website (http://soccer-ref.quietfire.com/ussf-docs/USSF-ATR-1997.pdf), and print up copies of this ruling (warning, it is a long file). To be proactive, I would get your coach to talk with the refs before the game, or early on in a tournament. There are too many people out there who are unfamiliar with all of the directions to refs that are not necessarily in the fifa laws (myself included, too often). |
|
Bench Warmer
Posts: 0
|
Post by on Dec 7, 2007 10:25:35 GMT -6
|
|
|
|
Post by packfan on Dec 8, 2007 8:36:09 GMT -6
I did download and pass the 2007 advice to ref's file to parent and both coaches. Stand up guy that heads the BR middle school league was horrified when he heard of the coach's conduct and is handling it. We are going to have to do that from now on especially at tournaments. Thanks so much!!
|
|
