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Post by futbolrefmom on Feb 7, 2009 11:18:04 GMT -6
Watching games in recent times including the start of the play offs, referees have an intergral role, this is without saying.
It is quite disturbing to watch games that have become more about the referee than the players on the field.
When players/teams mismatched rankings the lesser ranked team knows they already are faced with a supreme challange....that is the way life goes
Then you add a referee that wants to make the game about them within the 1st few minutes of a game makes a questionable call in the box that should have been play-on or at the most a PK outside the box not a PK in the box.
This is how referees get a bad name this was one blatant example of many bad calls by refs.
Someone had mentioned the practice of referee evals by video use that refs should put themselves in the humble position just momentarily to note their impact on the participants of the game.
Not attacking refs we are 6 in our family just an observation.
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Post by dulac on Feb 7, 2009 13:59:45 GMT -6
Refmom, if you have 6 refs in your family, I'm sure at least one of them has told you there is no such thing as a PK OUTSIDE the box. If a foul happens outside the area (box), then the kick is taken where the foul occured...outside. If the foul happens inside the area, then a PK occurs.
Here are the reasons for calling a Direct Free Kick when an offense is considered careless, reckless or excessive force:
kicks or ATTEMPTS to kick
trips or ATTEMPTS to trip
jumps at opponent
charges opponent
strikes or ATTEMPTS to strike
pushes
tackles
Additional free kicks include:
holds
spits at
handles the ball DELIBERATELY (except for keeper)
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Post by dulac on Feb 7, 2009 14:02:27 GMT -6
Too add a note to my previous post, I'm sure every ref can attest to hearing from fans, coaches and players "but I (he, she) didn't touch the player. NOTE the word "ATTEMPTS". Even if there is no contact, a ref can still blow the whistle for ATTEMPTING to kick, trip or strike an opponent.
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Post by number3 on Feb 7, 2009 19:03:26 GMT -6
Someone had mentioned the practice of referee evals by video use that refs should put themselves in the humble position just momentarily to note their impact on the participants of the game. I've tried this and still haven't received a video. I believe some of the Baton Rouge guys say they video the game and analyze position, foul recognition, mechanics....video doesn't lie. It's the best tool a referee can have to improve what he's doing wrong. An assessor (or soccer mom) can be out there all night long, it's not going to show you the way you do it wrong. Very few people can grasp that we have regular jobs and we're just as human as the people in the stands. The way we see things down on the field may be obstructed by players, that you guys can see up in the stands. This is where positioning comes into play, and it's something the video will show. Every job has its showboaters, this one is certainly no different. The very, very fine line of pleasing everyone is one that is rarely found. A great majority of us want to go out there and give the game the best we have - good, bad, indifferent - I don't think anyone goes out there with the attitude of "I wanna make this the (insert your name here) show". |
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Post by happyjack on Feb 7, 2009 19:47:28 GMT -6
Watching games in recent times including the start of the play offs, referees have an intergral role, this is without saying. It is quite disturbing to watch games that have become more about the referee than the players on the field. When players/teams mismatched rankings the lesser ranked team knows they already are faced with a supreme challange....that is the way life goes Then you add a referee that wants to make the game about them within the 1st few minutes of a game makes a questionable call in the box that should have been play-on or at the most a PK outside the box not a PK in the box. This is how referees get a bad name this was one blatant example of many bad calls by refs. Someone had mentioned the practice of referee evals by video use that refs should put themselves in the humble position just momentarily to note their impact on the participants of the game. Not attacking refs we are 6 in our family just an observation. please ask the referees in your family to share the code of ethics with you...also, like it or not, referees always have an impact in a game. I've yet to meet a referee with teh attitude "it's about me" and I know a lot of referees. I think your bias about the "bad call made in the first few minutes" says it all about your post. |
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Post by cardsinhand on Feb 7, 2009 22:26:10 GMT -6
Hey Happy, "I'm a like the ringleader, I call the shots I'm like a firecracker, I make it hot When I put on a show... I feel the adrenaline moving through my veins Spotlight on me and I'm ready to break I'm like a performer, the SOCCER floor is my stage Better be ready, I bet you feel the same All eyes on me, in the center of the ring (Just like a Circus) (Uh. Uh.Uh-huh) When I crack that whip, everybody gonna trip (Just like a Circus) (Uh. Uh. Uh-huh) Don't stand there watching me, follow me, show me what you can do Everybody let go, we can make a SOCCER floor (Just like a Circus) (Uh. Uh. Uh-huh)" ;D ;D ;D Sorry I just couldn't resist.  Feel free to join me at the circus. Uh,uh,uh,uh Cards PS I might even bring my chimpanzee, bigsoccerfan, with me! |
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Post by happyjack on Feb 7, 2009 23:15:40 GMT -6
corrected...i know many referees and only cardsinhand wants to be teh center of the show...
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Post by bigsoccerfan on Feb 8, 2009 21:08:21 GMT -6
Hey Happy, "I'm a like the ringleader, I call the shots I'm like a firecracker, I make it hot When I put on a show... I feel the adrenaline moving through my veins Spotlight on me and I'm ready to break I'm like a performer, the SOCCER floor is my stage Better be ready, I bet you feel the same All eyes on me, in the center of the ring (Just like a Circus) (Uh. Uh.Uh-huh) When I crack that whip, everybody gonna trip (Just like a Circus) (Uh. Uh. Uh-huh) Don't stand there watching me, follow me, show me what you can do Everybody let go, we can make a SOCCER floor (Just like a Circus) (Uh. Uh. Uh-huh)" ;D ;D ;D Sorry I just couldn't resist. Feel free to join me at the circus. Uh,uh,uh,uh Cards PS I might even bring my chimpanzee, bigsoccerfan, with me! Wow. Speechless |
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Post by cardsinhand on Feb 9, 2009 14:34:59 GMT -6
Cards PS I might even bring my chimpanzee, bigsoccerfan, with me! Wow. Speechless Just the way we like it! |
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Post by bigsoccerfan on Feb 9, 2009 21:46:09 GMT -6
You will pay for this Thursday |
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Post by farmboy on Feb 28, 2009 22:22:09 GMT -6
If the" goal" scored against U-High was an indirect kick,how come it was called a goal if no player from newman touched it.? Im talking about the 70 yard kick
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Post by SWLASocFan on Feb 28, 2009 22:34:33 GMT -6
It was not an indirect free kick. The foul was called, a caution was given, and the kick was taken as a direct free kick. The referee did not have her hand in the air, which would have been the only indication that it was an indirect free kick. While I realize the paper and articles stated it was indirect, in fact it was not.
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Post by pop on Feb 2, 2010 12:34:48 GMT -6
ok cards in hand we know u are better than most but u have to admit, their are some with big egos that think they know it all and dont listen to anyone. And these will look for the slightest foul to call if they havent blown a whistle in 3 minutes or so. They have to justify there presence.
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Post by lawdog911 on Feb 6, 2010 21:32:29 GMT -6
The fact of the matter is we do make decisions that impact the game. This is what we are out there to do, weather or not they are the correct calls which impact the game depends on what the referee sees and what everyone else sees. To say the referee should not have an impact or should be as if unseen on the field is absurd. If you blow a whistle do you think someone will notice. Of course they will. We are there on the field to enforce the laws or rules of the game to the best of our personal ability with in the Spirit of the game.
Those watching the game don't realize there is more to a foul then the contact. Contact itself is not a foul there are a lot of factors that come into play. Many times this season the question of why contact was not called for a foul has been raised. Player plays the ball 10 yds in front of him and the ball is going out or to a defender. A player from the defending team bumps the player who played the ball forward. Coach and player want a foul call. Sorry to tell ya I'm not going to bail you out of a bad touch. Unless the contact after the fact was overly aggressive or violent I will not put the ball back at your feet. A lot of times when fouls are not called it does not mean they are not recognized. There could be an advantage or the fact that the contact had no bearing on the play. Example player has ball at feet shielding it defender comes in bumps the back of the player the player stumbles forward, but keeps the ball in the same position as he had prier to the bump. No foul call is needed the contact had not bearing on the play.
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Post by bobcat24 on Mar 2, 2010 12:04:55 GMT -6
way to go pop.. look at the quote from the ? menard vs. newman game.. ref called every little thing and neither team could build a momentum. I think that is how it was posted.
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Post by happyjack on Mar 3, 2010 21:12:32 GMT -6
ok cards in hand we know u are better than most but u have to admit, their are some with big egos that think they know it all and dont listen to anyone. And these will look for the slightest foul to call if they havent blown a whistle in 3 minutes or so. They have to justify there presence. sometimes referees call every ticky-tack foul as a way to get the players to stop hacking and start playing. if the players are chippy, the best way to reign that in is to call every foul, regardless of how trifling. they'll quickly get teh message and start playing soccer. |
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Post by cardsinhand on Mar 8, 2010 18:36:59 GMT -6
ok cards in hand we know u are better than most but u have to admit, their are some with big egos that think they know it all and dont listen to anyone. And these will look for the slightest foul to call if they havent blown a whistle in 3 minutes or so. They have to justify there presence. sometimes referees call every ticky-tack foul as a way to get the players to stop hacking and start playing. if the players are chippy, the best way to reign that in is to call every foul, regardless of how trifling. they'll quickly get teh message and start playing soccer. So what I hear you saying Happy, is this is one "tool" refreees can use to manage a game and modify behavior. If players are not smart enough to pick up on this we would expect coaches to recognize it and do their job by making adjustments, or maybe they have egos too. If a judge rules a certian action is a violation of the law and is illegal, does a smart man continue to do it? And even worse, does he look at the judge and say "are you kidding me?", because the answer will be no. Happy, how do you work to develop referees in your area? Do you have assessors, instructor, or state/national referees evaluate them and make recomendations on improving their game? Along the same lines as the discussion above, what do you do when they continue to do things incorrectly? |
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Post by pop on Jan 7, 2011 9:29:23 GMT -6
ok cards in hand we know u are better than most but u have to admit, their are some with big egos that think they know it all and dont listen to anyone. And these will look for the slightest foul to call if they havent blown a whistle in 3 minutes or so. They have to justify there presence. sometimes referees call every ticky-tack foul as a way to get the players to stop hacking and start playing. if the players are chippy, the best way to reign that in is to call every foul, regardless of how trifling. they'll quickly get teh message and start playing soccer. Happy You Are correct as long as it is consistent. |
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Post by chelsea007 on Jan 7, 2011 13:47:20 GMT -6
I feel we were pretty much robbed in a match earlier this year by a referee's poor decisions. The bottom line, though, is the the whistle blew and the match is over. If I thought there was some funny business, I would press the issue. The reality is, though, there is nothing to suggest this so it is time to move on - the whislte blew. That is what I would suggest to the first poster.
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Post by eternalfire on Jan 7, 2011 14:26:56 GMT -6
I have always lived with the belief that a referee will never win a game for you and they will never lose a game for you and I preach this religously to my team! Now I do know that some of you will probably jump on this by the end of the day and probably go off on a tangent and that is fine. You are given an alotted time of two halves to win it or lose it and overtime if that is the case. Too many, way too many kids sit by and watch the coaches behavior towards the officials and the next thing you know the players are trying to officiate the match, thus losing a tremendous amount of focus on the real task at hand! A very large amount coaches say nothing to their players, however their are some that do scold this behavior from their players and usually these are the more succesful coaches. Don't get me wrong you may have a referee that may call that questionable PK in the last two minutes and then on the other you may have that referee that may call that questionable call for a PK on your behalf in the last two minutes. If it goes your way everything is fine and dandy and if it doesn't then holy cow the referee blew the game for us. All the while not taking care of the business at hand in the other 78+ minutes. Get the kids to focus on the task at hand and teach them that! Please note that as far as officiating goes, Soccer is by far the most opionative sport their is to officate.....  |
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