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Post by tonygalinto on Feb 18, 2011 16:10:09 GMT -6
Coaches get reputations just like referees. There are coaches that when they ask referees to watch for something that they feel the referee may be missing the referees take them seriously and watch for it. These coaches aren't the ones screaming about every call made. The constantly screaming coaches are pretty much tuned out early on. If you tried to give special attention to everything they are screaming about you couldn't be refereeing the game. I'm not saying that some of their complaints may not be legitimate but they scream and whine so much the referee tunes them out.
The other thing is when a coach feels the referee has made a bad call. Most referees have no problem with the one time outburst concerning the call. The coaches that really grate on referee's nerves are the coaches that don't let it go. Fifteen minutes later the coach is still hollering about that call. That is the type of coach that gets booked and sometimes gets sent off.
Your smarter coaches have what is commonly known as the throw-away assistant coach. He has the assistant do all the screaming and hollering. When the assistant finally gets tossed the head coach has stayed squeaky clean, not even a yellow. This is much more common with college teams than high school teams. There are a few higher level high school coaches that use this technique.
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Post by happyjack on Feb 18, 2011 16:25:35 GMT -6
Having been yelled by some of the best coaches in region 3, not just in louisiana and up through the old A-league level, I can assure you there is no chip on my shoulder with any coaches. At the same time, I don't tell coaches how to coach, and I'd expect the same respect from them in not telling me how to referee. If k acknowledge the screaming coach wanting the explanation, then I open myself unto a confrontation with the coach, something neither of us want. We obviously are at odds Already concerning a call/non call or he wouldn't be yelling. Any acknowledgement on my part will not do anything to calm him down, and likely would just rile him more. I'll be more thAn happy to discuss it with him at halftime or following the match, but he won't get N explanation during the run of play. Nothing good will come of that conversation
I'd suggest you watch the higher level matches and see how many times unofficial will go to address a screaming coach. The answer is never. The 4th may te him to cool down, but if the center comes over, it is to issue a yellow or red
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Post by oldhattrick3 on Feb 18, 2011 23:35:37 GMT -6
I'd suggest you watch the higher level matches and see how many times unofficial will go to address a screaming coach. The answer is never. The 4th may te him to cool down, but if the center comes over, it is to issue a yellow or red happyjack, I've seen more than you can probably count. As I said offering a suggestion, but I can tell you have your mind made up on the situation - so be it.
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Post by happyjack on Feb 19, 2011 7:56:31 GMT -6
My experience is that it leads to further confrontation, and does not provide a calming effect. There is no reason, in my opinion, to put either a coach or referee in that situation. Nothing good can come from it. Now, if your experience is different and it works for you, that is fine. Everyone who referees must find their own style and use what works for them
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Post by soccerfan111 on Jan 30, 2012 22:15:09 GMT -6
The refs in louisiana (around the new Orleans area at least) give soccer a bad reputation. Refs should show up to a game at least 30 minutes prior to kickoff, yet most can't seem to make it for kickoff. If we want soccer to get the respect that the football teams get, all aspects of a game needs to be on point. Officials who show up late seem to be the ones that do the worst job. They are lazy on following the play, they make offsides calls from 30 yards down the field, and hand out yellows to anyone who contests a call. Some games, the whole officiating crew can barely speak English. I think it is time we start doing something about it. Especially since i graduated when soccer was just starting to get bigger in Louisiana and I want my children's experience to be better than mine was when they reach high school. These refs are becoming too sensitive and treat these high school games like a U10 game.
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Post by futbolislife on Jan 31, 2012 7:22:06 GMT -6
In principal, I cannot agree more that referees should show up 30 minutes or more before game time. Arriving at game time looks unprofessional and at least often gives a perception of not showing the game respect. While I agree with you, there is also another side to that issue. For afternoon games, referees are often leaving their real paying job and sometimes cannot leave early enough. And on days where there are many games, referees are often traveling from one site to another with little time to spare. So again, I agree but also understand there are some side issues which MAY sometimes lead to referees showing up just before kickoff.
On the issue of speaking english, at the international level, often the referees do not speak the language of the teams and players. Not uncommon. So often, I hear this issue and very frankly dont give it too much merit. I will agree that not speaking the language of the players can lead to challenges for the referees managing the players and communicating effectively. But the better referees can overcome this and be effective.
And calling games like U10s? Reality is that all officials are not equal. The fact is that we have too many games and not enough bodies. So this sometimes leads to the wrong referee perhaps being on the wrong game. Maybe the challenge is over their head. All we can do is continue to offer the referee pool continuing education and hope they come to the trough and feed.
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Post by laffysoccermom on Jan 31, 2012 7:35:27 GMT -6
One thing they should teach refs in class is to never admit they don't know what they called. We had a young center ref that made several key calls against our team. Were they legit? Honestly I don't know. However, our coach hollered at the ref just loud enough for her to hear, "Ref, what's the call?". She said loudly enough for everyone to hear, "I don't know.".
She was the center ref and the one who stopped play. It ended up being a bad day for everyone.
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Post by Steven Gerrard on Jan 31, 2012 7:49:58 GMT -6
As to not showing up 30 minutes early for games, Futbolislife is correct. For most refs, they have a day job and it is difficult to leave that job to arrive 30 minutes ahead of game time. If I can leave work to get to the field 15 minutes ahead of time, I feel like it is going to be a good day.
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Post by futboldad on Jan 31, 2012 9:08:15 GMT -6
Being a REF is hard enough without them getting hammered by people. People need to give them a break. If you don't want the REF influencing the game with bad calls, don't put Ur team in that position. Dominate the opposition. A REF making a bad call is just like a ball taking a bad bounce Its gonna happen. U just have to be positive and keep Ur head up, and give 110%. No, a Ref influencing the game is not the same as a ball taking a bad bounce. A bad bounce is random. A biased ref is not. And as much as the refs here would like to believe that they are all always completely objective, I think that that is a position that is difficult to maintain. Some refs are sometimes biased. It happens. I doubt that over the course of a season that it affects overall records (pre-playoffs), it could affect the way playoffs turn out, as these are single-elimination tournaments.
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Post by Steven Gerrard on Jan 31, 2012 9:17:08 GMT -6
Being a REF is hard enough without them getting hammered by people. People need to give them a break. If you don't want the REF influencing the game with bad calls, don't put Ur team in that position. Dominate the opposition. A REF making a bad call is just like a ball taking a bad bounce Its gonna happen. U just have to be positive and keep Ur head up, and give 110%. No, a Ref influencing the game is not the same as a ball taking a bad bounce. A bad bounce is random. A biased ref is not. And as much as the refs here would like to believe that they are all always completely objective, I think that that is a position that is difficult to maintain. Some refs are sometimes biased. It happens. I doubt that over the course of a season that it affects overall records (pre-playoffs), it could affect the way playoffs turn out, as these are single-elimination tournaments. Maybe some refs are biased. I am not naive enough to think otherwise (although I do think that college athletes never get paid on the side and that professional wrestling is real). However, I can tell you that I am not good enough to be biased when I call a game, and I think that most refs fit in the same catagory. I am too worried about making the right call that I don't get a chance to think about "hey, which team made that foul." Most refs are not that good, and truthfully, most refs don't care which team made the foul. They just want to get the call right.
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Post by time2retire on Jan 31, 2012 11:33:31 GMT -6
The refs in louisiana (around the new Orleans area at least) give soccer a bad reputation. Refs should show up to a game at least 30 minutes prior to kickoff, yet most can't seem to make it for kickoff. If we want soccer to get the respect that the football teams get, all aspects of a game needs to be on point. Officials who show up late seem to be the ones that do the worst job. They are lazy on following the play, they make offsides calls from 30 yards down the field, and hand out yellows to anyone who contests a call. Some games, the whole officiating crew can barely speak English. I think it is time we start doing something about it. Especially since i graduated when soccer was just starting to get bigger in Louisiana and I want my children's experience to be better than mine was when they reach high school. These refs are becoming too sensitive and treat these high school games like a U10 game. .....and this is what motivated me to get certified 16 years ago, and stick with it
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Post by drogba on Jan 31, 2012 21:11:07 GMT -6
Watching a game this weekend the way field set up sitting behind benches for game on field next to my son. So no interest whatsoever. Coach no. 1 screaming yelling the entire first half asking for calls and getting some. Coach no 2 probably 5 minutes left in first half u12 game ask for a call his defender got tripped in box athletic kid stayed up Coach no 2 ask for foul kid recovers and puts ball out of bounds. Coach no 2 says ref I have not said anything all game I have remained seated he is screaming at you for every call can I get the one I asked for. Ref very politely says I didn't see it. Coach remains seated nothing said. Next time ball down field ref calls foul in favor of coach no 2 and runs about 4 steps toward coach and says do you like that call? Coach says ref again I didn't say anything didn't ask for a call to be fair I didn't think that was a foul. Coach 2 remains seated ref turns back Coach no 1 yells are you gonna give him everything he ask for. Coach 2 says to coach 1 I didn't ask for anything you doughnut. Exact words. Coach no 1 says I am going to come down and shut you up. Coach no 2 says come on. Ref throws out coach no 2. Turns out head ref for the entire tournament coach no 2 team up 2 to 0 at time lose 3 to 2. Was the head ref for tourney down in Thibodaux. Really a head scratcher on that one.
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