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Post by Scott Crawford on Feb 16, 2011 13:13:59 GMT -6
If there's been one constant on this board since the beginning, it's that when the stakes are highest and the outcomes the closest, the refs are most inept, at least according to the public. I feel for you guys.
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Post by loJic on Feb 16, 2011 13:18:13 GMT -6
Our refs in the playoffs were great.
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Post by chelsea007 on Feb 16, 2011 13:43:51 GMT -6
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Post by eternalfire on Feb 16, 2011 13:45:39 GMT -6
Poor ref's  I feel for the over abundance of hebetudinous individuals that spew such filth....... |
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Post by dalglish on Feb 16, 2011 14:00:19 GMT -6
Who reviews the performance of refs in this state? Is a rating list of all Louisiana refs available to the public to view?
Refs are human and make mistakes - however, when the mistakes are many and one sided, then one begins to wonder if the mistakes are truly mistakes or bias.... Especially when those mistakes are made at high level games like state Regionals, Quarter finals, semi finals, and finals - only the best of the best in this state should be officiating at that level.
Can someone tell me who are the 5 best refs in this state?
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Post by Steven Gerrard on Feb 16, 2011 14:04:16 GMT -6
Whoever did the center for the St. Carmel v. West Monroe girls quarterfinal game did a good job. Same for the ref who did the Neville v. Lakeshore girls quarterfinal game. Both good refs who did a good job.
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Post by furriner on Feb 16, 2011 15:06:56 GMT -6
Happy, cards, and dulac are up there. there are several young ones coming up as well. I think Happy may have a family member that is learning to be a ref.
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Post by Scott Crawford on Feb 16, 2011 15:14:40 GMT -6
It's nice to see the comments from loJic and chelsea. Unfortunately, comments like theirs are in the vast minority. It's hard keeping track of all the deleted posts about how the referees are terrible or cheated.
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Post by happyjack on Feb 16, 2011 15:20:24 GMT -6
Who reviews the performance of refs in this state? Is a rating list of all Louisiana refs available to the public to view? Refs are human and make mistakes - however, when the mistakes are many and one sided, then one begins to wonder if the mistakes are truly mistakes or bias.... Especially when those mistakes are made at high level games like state Regionals, Quarter finals, semi finals, and finals - only the best of the best in this state should be officiating at that level. Can someone tell me who are the 5 best refs in this state? Lhsaa has no formal ranking system for officials, nor do they have a process for reviewing complaints posted on Internet message boards. A school principal may file an official complaint against an official if they feel that his/her performance was biased. However, it would be difficult to prove as Lhsaa does not allow for the review of tapes. In short, nothing would come of it. Soccer officials do their best, and when we get 3 levels into the playoffs, associations are sending only their best officials to work matches. These are officials that in USSF lingo are state or national level officials. They normally work amateur level matches (adults) on weekends, and have experience at all levels. In short, you are seeing very good officials. Taking off your rose colored glasses for a moment and reAlize that officiAls strive to be impartial. One person commented that after a foul occurred that many of the calls went against their team. It is my experience as a referee that very few games have the same number of fouls called for each team, and the team that is fouling more has more called against them. Want fewer fouls called, then quit committing fouls At the LSA level, which has nothing to do with high school, we are conducting 2 referee academies this spring, and conducted another 2 this past fall. We are working hard to improve the knowledge and performance of the officials, and many of the ones you se in high school. Games are either mentors or participants in the academies. We take our job officiating very seriously, and Someone coming on an Internet board and posting that referees are biased or lack knowledge is a cowardly act. I'd suggest anyone who thinks they can do a better job please contact your local associToon and get involved bad can always use more officials, and it would appear that many of you posting here think you already possess that knowledge. |
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Post by happyjack on Feb 16, 2011 15:30:21 GMT -6
In regards to ranking officials, the state referee committee has identified the top officials, but this is subject to change based on performance, and you will never see it in writing or disclosed outside of the referee committee. This is used when determining who will be on state cup finals and when determining who will be attending regionals representing LSA. Many of the officials are assessed either formally or informally (everyone above a grade 7 is formally assessed at least once a year) overthe course of the year, and 99.9% are always lookin for feedback and to improve their game.
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Post by phtmnscorner on Feb 16, 2011 16:52:01 GMT -6
Refs rule!
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Post by ash9 on Feb 16, 2011 17:33:08 GMT -6
Being a REF is hard enough without them getting hammered by people. People need to give them a break. If you don't want the REF influencing the game with bad calls, don't put Ur team in that position. Dominate the opposition. A REF making a bad call is just like a ball taking a bad bounce
Its gonna happen. U just have to be positive and keep Ur head up, and give 110%.
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Post by morgancity4 on Feb 16, 2011 18:25:58 GMT -6
Our refs in the playoffs were great. Some of the best refs I've seen while playing this year |
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Post by dalglish on Feb 16, 2011 19:32:44 GMT -6
Whoever did the center for the St. Carmel v. West Monroe girls quarterfinal game did a good job. Same for the ref who did the Neville v. Lakeshore girls quarterfinal game. Both good refs who did a good job. Stevie G ole chap - I was at that game and I agree 100% with you - I felt the man in the middle let the girls play - that's what this game is all about - not calling every bump or touch.... so, to recap based on all the comments I read (mostly from refs defending their turf), there is no one who polices refs - no one who makes sure they are following the rules of the game - no one who makes sure they are fit enough to move around the pitch and be in position to call a game I am not talking just high school games - Club, mens and womens leagues included - I know we have some exceptional refs in this state - I have seen them in action - the problem is we dont have enough of them - a committee of former players, coaches and administrators should be set up by the state that can review complaints about refs, observe those refs in action to see if the complaints hold water and report their findings to LSA for further action. All I am saying people is we can make our refs better - but sitting back and allowing anyone to ref just because we do not have enough refs is not the answer |
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Post by happyjack on Feb 16, 2011 19:50:22 GMT -6
a committee of former players, coaches and administrators should be set up by the state that can review complaints about refs, observe those refs in action to see if the complaints hold water and report their findings to LSA for further action.
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Sure, because everyone knows that players, coaches, and administrators are so knowledgeable of the laws. Who will train these people to ensure they know what they are doing? Who will fund them (cause no one will do it for free). How often will they perform assessments? At what level will they begin this review? There are nearly 1400 registered referees in the state, it will be no easy task to look at every one of them.
I sure hope the ones reviewing aren't the ones who say you can't play the ball on the ground, don't complain about hand ball all the time (there is no handball foul), and know that every free kick by the defense taken in the penalty area must clear the penalty area before it can be touched, not just goal kicks. Maybe we can include the coach from 2 weeks ago that was complaining about the offside player on the goal kick. Or the one who couldn't understand while an indirect free kick that went directly into the goal was a goal kick.
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Post by dalglish on Feb 16, 2011 20:08:35 GMT -6
ok, happyjack - what do you propose can be done? isnt there a committee that addresses red cards? how does that committee work all over the state?
how about LSA call a meeting to address the issue of how we can better the level of refs in this state?
when there is a will, there is a way - dont just stick your head in the sand and think that this is going to go away....
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Post by cardsinhand on Feb 16, 2011 20:39:44 GMT -6
I am not talking just high school games - Club, mens and womens leagues included - I know we have some exceptional refs in this state - I have seen them in action - the problem is we dont have enough of them - a committee of former players, coaches and administrators should be set up by the state that can review complaints about refs, observe those refs in action to see if the complaints hold water and report their findings to LSA for further action. Just curious why there is no referee or former referee on this committee? By the way, I'm wondering what people think referees could possibly gain from cheating? I just don't see it. If they missed it they just missed it, no intent. Happy is correct, rose colored glasses. |
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Post by happyjack on Feb 16, 2011 21:23:27 GMT -6
ok, happyjack - what do you propose can be done? isnt there a committee that addresses red cards? how does that committee work all over the state? how about LSA call a meeting to address the issue of how we can better the level of refs in this state? when there is a will, there is a way - dont just stick your head in the sand and think that this is going to go away.... You must have missed the lengthy post about what the LSA state referee committee is doing in regards to referee training via the referee academy. My head is far from being in the sand in regards to this topic, but of you aren't a member of the referee committee you are likely not aware of the training that takes place. From online trainingto monthly training to annual recertification to tournament field training to the LSA ROOM program. Much is being done, head on over to the LSA website and check it out. In fact, as much as is taking place and you aren't aware of it really points to who has their head in the sand. |
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Post by happyjack on Feb 16, 2011 21:26:18 GMT -6
There is a committee that deals with referee assault or abuse at the state level, and a committee that reviews send offs for RPL play. I'm not awRe of any other "red card" committee. But these are both committees that review a written report and hand out punishment, there is no going out and watching a player to determine if they desire more punishment or less.
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Post by dulac on Feb 16, 2011 22:24:39 GMT -6
Dalglish, you must miss ALL the posts that tells of what each organization does to train and "re-train" their refs. Yes, all refs have someone to answer to. If you have a problem with a ref, either contact the assignor or the president of the assigning association. But don't just talk about it, DO IT!
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