2004-2005 Div III Playoff Bracket

[sfdefense]

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A St. Frederick's administrator stated to one of the St. Louis fans that the St. Fred's soccer program did nothing to try to fix the field during the season, because they knew a wet and muddy field would give them the best chance to beat St. Louis or whoever they were going to play in the playoffs. This is not something I heard, this is a fact.

You contradicted yourself, pitch. If someone states something, they hear it. Therefore, you saying this isn't something you heard, make me laugh. Unless the St. Frederick coach stated it directly to you or if you were actually the coach or a player, then it is not a fact. An administrator, I promise you, would have no clue what was done to the field during the season or before the playoffs. Also, from the way you say it, it doesn't sound like the administrator was even speaking to you, which means you would have to have "heard" this from that fan. Our principal did not even attend the soccer game yesterday. That shows right there how little the school cares about the soccer program. SF administrators have no clue about the game of soccer, nor what measures were taken to try to fix the field. I repeat what I said in my earlier posts. Trenches were dug and the field was rolled several times to try to get the field in the most playable condition possible. With our administration and school caring so little, it makes it difficult to have the funding or aid in getting the field in better condition. THIS, my friend, is a fact.

[word]

My name is Corey Thomas and i play defense for st. freds. im not gonna lower myself to making excuses for why we didnt beat st. louis. they are a very good team and we played our hearts out and lost in what i think was a very good game. However, it angers me to hear that some "st. freds official" told you or one of st. louis's fans we did nothing to better the condition of our field. I am pretty sure that this st. freds official has no idea what he/she is talking about, because we did the best we could. like sfdefense previously stated, we made many efforts to better the field before the game, including digging drainage and rolling the field. I was honestly embarassed about the state of our field, but after playing a great game and trying the best that we could to beat a great team, to hear that it was some attempt to even the odds or "cheat" in a game against a southern team that is "light years ahead of us" disgusts me.

[Bish]

sfdefense said:

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You contradicted yourself, pitch. If someone states something, they hear it. Therefore, you saying this isn't something you heard, make me laugh. Unless the St. Frederick coach stated it directly to you or if you were actually the coach or a player, then it is not a fact. An administrator, I promise you, would have no clue what was done to the field during the season or before the playoffs.

Wow. Way to take him exactly word for word. What I got out of this

This is not something I heard, this is a fact

was "This is not a rumor or something made up, it is something the administrator actually told me." I think you need to look at the context before making a judgement. He's not contradicting anything.

You sir, make me laugh. By trying to make a fool out of somebody else, you just made a fool of yourself.

[takeitdowntown1]

I would seriously doubt that St. Freds intentially tried to neglect their field so they could get an advantage.

[sfdefense]

Catch - No, I wasn't trying to make a fool out of him. All I am saying is that he assumed, even though it may have been a fair assumption, that a St. Frederick administrator would be a reliable source when it comes to our school's soccer program. I guess I misdirected what I found humor in. The humor was more that someone actually believed an SF Admin. would know anything about soccer. I was honestly just clearing up the mistake he had made in believing whoever that person was. With the knowledge I have about the neglect of the soccer program at SF by the administrators, it was funny to me. I know that pitch didn't know this. Sorry, pitch, it was just funny to me. No offense was really meant by it. Just out of curiousity, do you know the name of the administrator?

[chaz0833]

I find this argument very funny. I read all of this stuff about not attempting to fix the field, but maybe they did and did not do it sucessfully. They may have tried to do something about it earlier in the season when it was messed up and it did no good so why try again. I don't know. The point I am trying to make here is just let it go. The game is over with and nothing will be changed. The outcome cannot change. So just let it go please.

[Bish]

sfdefense said:

Catch - No, I wasn't trying to make a fool out of him. All I am saying is that he assumed, even though it may have been a fair assumption, that a St. Frederick administrator would be a reliable source when it comes to our school's soccer program. I guess I misdirected what I found humor in. The humor was more that someone actually believed an SF Admin. would know anything about soccer. I was honestly just clearing up the mistake he had made in believing whoever that person was. With the knowledge I have about the neglect of the soccer program at SF by the administrators, it was funny to me. I know that pitch didn't know this. Sorry, pitch, it was just funny to me. No offense was really meant by it. Just out of curiousity, do you know the name of the administrator?

Ok. The way you said it made it seem like you meant something else.

[ontheRun24]

i know i have nothing to do with this but...u people argue about the stupidest things ever!...y is the condition of a field an issue after the game has already been played?! any team could have won...its just stupid to argue about this

[goalpost]

Playing on a bad field is a perfectly fine strategy for a team that is less skilled to beat a beater skilled team. If you can, and it is to your advantage why not make it a mud pit? That is a good coaching strategy as long as the field is legal and playable. However, good teams always find a way to win and playing less than medicore fields is just part of the game. I think perhaps the better team won.

[boston]

Until you know all the facts about SF's field, do not make judgements. I can tell you for a fact that no SF administator said anything. The game was a well played match. The field was not an issue. The game is over so move on to the next issue you can grip about.

[17coupplaya]

how bout yall take this argument off this thread and make another one... this thread's for info. concerning the division III facts (who wins and loses pretty much) we dont care about the rest

make a new thread is all i ask?? ?? ??

[Bish]

NEVER

The field was an issue whether you like it or not. End of discussion!

[nikademus]

i think its funny how the st freds fans say on here that stl is making all the excuses about why the game was so close. stl doesnt need to make excuses when they play st.freds in the playoffs...lets look at the history
1998 stl (7) sf (0)
2000 stl (6) sf (1) getting better
2004 stl (6) sf (0) step backward
2005 stl (2) sf (1)

i think that about ended this thread

[Nike1]

The game was close because of the field conditions. Smart move to equalize both teams. The feild looked like it had been practiced on all week in the rain. They did try to drain some of the water but the damage was already done. As for St. Freds, the game was 60-40% contolled by St Louis with 3 shots off the post. #10 Ryan Duhon was the 1st scorer then Clark. Thevenot was still sick form the flu gave everything he had. Both teams played extemely hard, that is what you want in an playoff game. St Louis keep missing chances which kept St Freds. in the game and made them dangerous.
As for extra time, there was a lot of injury time added and from the way players went down I can agree with the ref.

[sfdefense]

no excuse - just a sidenote to nike1

the reason the field looked like it had been practice on all week in the rain was because st.louis came out there the morning of the game and practiced on it. st. fred didn't practice outside all week. we practice inside in the rec center gym all week in order to have the field in the best possible condition.

[pitch]

It's over. Let it go and let's all move on.

[im4christ]

Anything on Newman and Country Day?

[thisboardsuxs]

Whay are we not talking about how good the game on saturday st louis st matins is going to be. they have a long history going back to 97 state finals. St louis made it one up on them last year and st martins is looking for a little payback.

[im4christ]

Sorry about jumping the gun on the Newman v. Country Day game, I realized after I posted the request for information that the game was today and not yesterday.

Still will be interested in a game report when the game actually occurs.

Blessings all!

[cajunsoccer]

U-High Lost

Tuerlings Catholic 1 University 0

heard the goal they made was a lucky one. last 6 min they pulled the whole defence up to try to score but couldnt.