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Post by Timbertwin on Jan 12, 2012 21:47:47 GMT -6
Division I
1. Mount Carmel 2. Dominican 3. Lafayette 4. St. Scholastica 5. Mandeville 6. St. Thomas More 7. Byrd 8. Fontainebleau 9. Northshore 10. East ascension Also receiving votes: west Monroe
Division II 1. St. Louis Catholic 2. Vandebilt Catholic 3. Teurlings Catholic 4. Lakeshore 5. Ursuline 6. West Ouachita 7. Neville 8. Calvary Baptist 9. St. Michael 10. Morgan City Also receiving votes: Cabrini, Lutcher
Division III 1. Sacred Heart of New Orleans 2. Episcopal of Baton Rouge 3. Newman 4. Catholic of New Iberia 5. Pope John Paul II 6. University 7. Runnels 8. Country Day 9. Loyola 10. Menard Also Receiving Votes: St. Thomas Aquinas, Episcopal of Acadiana
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2012 23:04:59 GMT -6
D3 top 4 are solid. St. Thomas Aquinas is ranked too low - should be in 5-8 range. Country Day is ranked too high. They should be swapped by seeding time.
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Post by div1coach222 on Jan 13, 2012 7:30:26 GMT -6
Div. I will be a very interesting playoff this year. It has been a while since anyone in top ten can knock off a high seed on any given day (and have)...IMO coaches have it right and wide open this year. Good luck to all....
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Post by div1coach222 on Jan 13, 2012 7:56:35 GMT -6
What is the date that the finals for Div. I finals and where will it be played at? Thanks...
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Post by mydove4 on Jan 13, 2012 7:58:34 GMT -6
Okay, so how does Dominican remain at #2 when they lost to Dutchtown 1-0 and then Fontainebleau 2-1. IMO Lafayette should be #2 since they split with Mt. Carmel, followed by SSA who tied Dominican 0-0, beat Fontainebleau 2-0, and beat Dutchtown 3-0, then Mandeville. And don't forget the lady bulldogs of Fontainebleau they appear to have awakened from their nap.
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Post by socceradvocate on Jan 13, 2012 8:03:15 GMT -6
Wow - Rankings seem very off this time around in Div. III. for the 5th and lower teams - here are comparisons with the district.
First I agree STA is ranked too low - they tied Runnels 1-1, and beat PJP 2-0.
#5 PJP likely too high having lost to Episcopal 5-0, loss to STA 2-0 and tied Runnels 1-1.
#6 UHigh will face its biggest opponent tonight with Episcopal but other than a 0-0 tie with Runnels hasn't faced any top 10 Div III teams that I see scores on.
#7 Runnels - beat Episcopal 2-0, Tie PJP 1-1, tie STA 1-1, tie UHigh 0-0, W Country Day 4-0, L Newman 3-0
#8 Country Day L Runnels 4-0
#9 Loyola - no games vs. Top Ten that I can find
#10 Menard - no games vs. Top Ten that I can find
I might have missed some scores somewhere but I tried to be as accurate as possible based on board info. Hope the next poll is more representative of what teams have done vs. quality opponents than how high they run up scores vs. non-ranked schools.
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Post by crazysoccerdad on Jan 13, 2012 8:33:08 GMT -6
Socceradvocate I here you on Pope.
#5 PJP I think just right beat Sacred Heart 1-0, beat Episcopal Arcadiana 3-1, Tied Runnels and Country day 1-1, and lost to Episcopal Baton Rouge 5-0 and STA 2-0. PJP is the only team in division III to beat Sacred Heart until last night when they lost to Newman in PK. Other than Runnels and Sacred Heart I think we had one of the stronger Scheduled this year.
STA has only beat one top 10 team us and tied one Runnels. # 5 PJP if not a top 5 team I know we are a top 10 team.
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Post by cenlacoach on Jan 13, 2012 8:42:57 GMT -6
So, playing a top 10 team in a higher division is less important than a top 10 team in your own division? Please inform all the lower division teams in the pros that play well against, tie or beat one of the bigger teams in cup competition. I am sure they would like to know this ;D.
Where is aliceshoe when you need them?! Polls are talking points and blog fodder. Yes if you get a higher ranking at the END of the season, it might help you for 1 or 2 rounds of the playoffs. But at some point, quality teams rise to the top.
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Post by div1coach222 on Jan 13, 2012 8:59:48 GMT -6
cenlacoach- you hit the nail on the head... does not really matter because to be the best you have to beat the best... to win state it does not matter who is number one in the polls, but playing it out on the fields! does it make anyone feel any better if they are ranked one, but lose out before the finals? how many people scream we were number 1 in polls before playoffs after someone knocks them out of the playoffs? you are right just talking points... only thing that really matters is the top 32 teams make it to the playoffs, now that is what matters!
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Post by freekick on Jan 13, 2012 9:40:18 GMT -6
How important are rankings? I recall LSU was ranked higher than Alabama until this past Monday. Alabama did not seem to show any respect for the higher ranked team.
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Post by theunknown21 on Jan 13, 2012 11:25:00 GMT -6
How did Newman drop to #3? They just beat #1 Sacred Heart
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Post by Steven Gerrard on Jan 13, 2012 11:37:48 GMT -6
Yes, you have to win on the field. But, these rankings are important since they will influence how some coaches vote for seeding for the playoffs. And, a higher seeding could help you avoid certain teams and allow your team to advance further in the playoffs. So, yes, these rankings do matter.
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Post by thruball20 on Jan 13, 2012 11:43:01 GMT -6
How important are rankings? I recall LSU was ranked higher than Alabama until this past Monday. Alabama did not seem to show any respect for the higher ranked team. This is true but........... if Alabama is ranked #3 they never get the opportunity to beat #1. Rankings do matter in the early rounds of the playoffs because of the quality of teams you have to play. Not so much in the later rounds because eventually you do have to play the best teams to win it all. As for me, I would rather play the best teams later than sooner.
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Post by miraddydad on Jan 13, 2012 12:05:40 GMT -6
Aw, Freekick. You HAD to go there. Lol.
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Post by freekick on Jan 13, 2012 12:47:53 GMT -6
This is true but........... if Alabama is ranked #3 they never get the opportunity to beat #1. Rankings do matter in the early rounds of the playoffs because of the quality of teams you have to play. Not so much in the later rounds because eventually you do have to play the best teams to win it all. As for me, I would rather play the best teams later than sooner.[/quote]
Now you get into the stupid BCS. If only college football had a playoff system.
I see 7-8 DI and 4-6 DIII teams with a legitimate chance to win state, meaning each one could beat the other on a given day, depending on the team form and the psyche of teenage girls that day. Therefore, everyone will have to come to play from quarterfinals on. It is just a matter of which quality team you have to beat to advance. Since rankings do not necessarily determine home field advantage after the first playoff round, being one spot higher or lower really does not mean much in the end as long as you are in the top eight seeds. Some people will quibble.
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Post by uhscubs1 on Jan 13, 2012 13:25:20 GMT -6
People are saying they are just for talking and that is what people are doing, talking about them. They generate talk and discussion which I think is good as long as it is civil. Can we not agree or disagree and have fun doing it? You are correct that rankings do matter because seeding does matter. It determines who you play when and where. All important factors for a state run. I understand the saying you have to beat the best to be the best but few if any titles have ever come without some luck. Be it a call, someone upsetting someone else, better match ups, whatever the case. If they did not matter we would not have rankings in the first place. And if they do not matter then lets place the 1-5 teams on one side of the bracket and the 6-10 teams on the other. Yes, you have to win on the field. But, these rankings are important since they will influence how some coaches vote for seeding for the playoffs. And, a higher seeding could help you avoid certain teams and allow your team to advance further in the playoffs. So, yes, these rankings do matter.
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Post by uhscubs1 on Jan 13, 2012 13:29:40 GMT -6
I am pretty sure most if not all of these votes were cast before that game was played. How did Newman drop to #3? They just beat #1 Sacred Heart
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Post by div1coach222 on Jan 13, 2012 13:34:30 GMT -6
Seedings allowing some to advance further? If that is what you are playing for(braqgging rights on how far you advanced)then right, but if winning it all is your objective then seedings do not matter. You have to beat the best to be the best. As for as I know this is not run like pro sports where records to determine home field advantage THRU OUT the playoffs. Please correct me if that is not the case here(home field advantage).
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Post by inthebox on Jan 13, 2012 13:38:42 GMT -6
Again, uhscubs1, you mix rankings and seedings. Last year was the first year I recall the girl's side having rankings in the 7 or 8 years I have been in high school soccer (older timers may correct me), but teams always were seeded for the state tournament. While the seedings last year were close to the rankings, they were not the same, and the main use of the rankings is idle internet chit chat. A panel of chat board dwellers, I think mostly interested volunteers, make the rankings, while all the divisional coaches perform the seeding. Last year, we had a power formula(s) for the girls side. Ditto for the power formula and seeding.
Home field advantage is only gained in the first round of playoffs based on the seeding.
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Post by cenlacoach on Jan 13, 2012 14:18:53 GMT -6
Love your wisdom Alice! Thanks for everything! The tread on the boys side is a hot issue. Kinda torn about it. I like the idea of more teams, but I wonder when it's too much. I think we have reached that point. I prefer diet coke by the way. Stevie G...agree with you to a point. It does influence decisions. I'm in Alex. I don't get to see the majority of D3 teams. Heck, I'd do better telling you who is the best in D1 or D2. So I do rely on scores and posts to assist me in voting. I also listen to other coaches at games and ODP. I even try to catch a game here and there. But, by the 2nd or 3rd round...unless you are one of the top ranked/ seeded teams and it's not hard to figure out who they are... you will be facing a top team unless something crazy happens (uhscubs...your right it does happen...Ouachita Christian a few years ago). You still have to beat the best at some point...whether it's 1st round or finals. Where you start ranking wise (or seeding in playoffs) in the process means little by the 2nd round and nothing by the 3rd.
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