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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2012 14:24:00 GMT -6
socceradvocate - your assessment of #5-10 looks accurate
Runnels has shut out Episcopal, UHigh and Country Day in a recent 7-0-2 streak outscoring opponents 36-2.
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Post by pOkLE on Jan 13, 2012 14:28:16 GMT -6
... ... Polls are talking points and blog fodder. Yes if you get a higher ranking at the END of the season, it might help you for 1 or 2 rounds of the playoffs. But at some point, quality teams rise to the top. +1 ... While the seedings last year were close to the rankings, they were not the same, and the main use of the rankings is idle internet chit chat. A panel of chat board dwellers, I think mostly interested volunteers, make the rankings, while all the divisional coaches perform the seeding ... The name of the thread and poll is "Coaches Poll" ... in case there was any confusion as to how poll is compiled.
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Post by Steven Gerrard on Jan 13, 2012 15:14:37 GMT -6
Love your wisdom Alice! Thanks for everything! The tread on the boys side is a hot issue. Kinda torn about it. I like the idea of more teams, but I wonder when it's too much. I think we have reached that point. I prefer diet coke by the way. Stevie G...agree with you to a point. It does influence decisions. I'm in Alex. I don't get to see the majority of D3 teams. Heck, I'd do better telling you who is the best in D1 or D2. So I do rely on scores and posts to assist me in voting. I also listen to other coaches at games and ODP. I even try to catch a game here and there. But, by the 2nd or 3rd round...unless you are one of the top ranked/ seeded teams and it's not hard to figure out who they are... you will be facing a top team unless something crazy happens (uhscubs...your right it does happen...Ouachita Christian a few years ago). You still have to beat the best at some point...whether it's 1st round or finals. Where you start ranking wise (or seeding in playoffs) in the process means little by the 2nd round and nothing by the 3rd. I think that we agree. But, I would claim that it makes a difference in the 2nd and 3rd round as well. In some of the divisions, in some of the years, there is a clear line between the top teams (whether top 3, 4, 5 or 6) and the rest of the bracket. If there are three teams that are head and shoulders above the rest, and you can get the No. 4 or 5 seed, that means that you have a better shot of making the semi-finals then those teams who are ranked 6, 7 or 8. I am not one who belieives in a lot of deep parity in Louisiana High School.
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Post by uhscubs1 on Jan 13, 2012 15:46:53 GMT -6
No I am not. As someone stated latter this is the coaches poll which from several I have talked to is used to seed. You can believe seeding does not matter and that is fine but I will always disagree. Again, uhscubs1, you mix rankings and seedings. Last year was the first year I recall the girl's side having rankings in the 7 or 8 years I have been in high school soccer (older timers may correct me), but teams always were seeded for the state tournament. While the seedings last year were close to the rankings, they were not the same, and the main use of the rankings is idle internet chit chat. A panel of chat board dwellers, I think mostly interested volunteers, make the rankings, while all the divisional coaches perform the seeding. Last year, we had a power formula(s) for the girls side. Ditto for the power formula and seeding. Home field advantage is only gained in the first round of playoffs based on the seeding.
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Post by freekick on Jan 13, 2012 16:25:01 GMT -6
As I said, some will quibble.
The last several years, one could have predicted the state winner in DIII from one or two teams, maybe three. This year, seems to be a little bit more parity, and don't really see that dominant team. Always seems to be a few more quality teams in DI.
With the limited number of overall teams and quality teams in DII, Aliceshoe's point about changing to two divisions would seem to have merit. I would agree with cutting the number of playoff teams, as well. Sorry, but the reality is that seed #32 really doesn't have a prayer.
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Post by sokerfan on Jan 13, 2012 23:08:10 GMT -6
To ALL, the votes were sent in about a week and a half ago, and the votes weren't even counted before some of these upsets took place. Therefore the ranking may be a little off. Example: the votes had to be turned on a Tuesday by noon and important games took place that night, therefore the upsets would not affect the ranking until the next poll comes out. So just take it for what it is, an OPINION poll that is not current, and try not to lose sleep over it.
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Post by offthepitch on Jan 14, 2012 10:59:25 GMT -6
I have seen Newman, Episcopal BR, Pope John Paul, University, Runnels, and Country Day all play. Newman looked like the better of these teams. They have talent and play a nice possession game. Runnels and University are fairly evenly matched as demonstrated by their 0-0 draw. Episcopal BR falls below Runnels and University since Runnels beat them 2-0 on their own field and University beat them last night 2-1. Episcopal BR has gotten a lot of love in the polls this year but they are not showing they deserve it on the field. I think Pope John Paul has a nice team but are over ranked at #5. Their team on the field does not look better than Runnels, University or Episcopal BR. Country Day is a hard working team that looks young. I think they are more of a #9 or #10.
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Post by uhscubs1 on Jan 14, 2012 16:29:22 GMT -6
University and Episcopal still have another game at Episcopal on the 28th which probably will have a significant impact on seeding. I was hoping University would be able to work it out and play that game on the 23rd with PJP II that they were looking to play due to a cancellation. Logistics and such make it unlikely.
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Post by oldhattrick3 on Jan 16, 2012 0:02:27 GMT -6
It's a little disappointing to see that the girl's poll is not coming out weekly. Besides giving good discussion, it allows for the sport to grow. Cudos to the boys for still getting a ranking out weekly and publishing it in the Morning advocate. This helps give some visualization to the sport. Don't know why the girls have lost that.
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Post by barnacle13 on Jan 16, 2012 10:15:48 GMT -6
It's a little disappointing to see that the girl's poll is not coming out weekly. Besides giving good discussion, it allows for the sport to grow. Cudos to the boys for still getting a ranking out weekly and publishing it in the Morning advocate. This helps give some visualization to the sport. Don't know why the girls have lost that. I agree here. I think any soccer scores, polls, etc. in the papers only help the sport to grow and improve the conversation around the game. I'd love to see weekly polls on both sides. It gives the players something to strive for as well during the season. Everybody likes to see their school name show up in the polls, especially if they're climbing based on a big win.
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Post by div1coach222 on Jan 16, 2012 12:28:02 GMT -6
good point, never looked at it from that point of view...
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Post by uhscubs1 on Jan 16, 2012 19:11:29 GMT -6
Exactly It's a little disappointing to see that the girl's poll is not coming out weekly. Besides giving good discussion, it allows for the sport to grow. Cudos to the boys for still getting a ranking out weekly and publishing it in the Morning advocate. This helps give some visualization to the sport. Don't know why the girls have lost that.
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Post by uhscubs1 on Jan 16, 2012 19:12:56 GMT -6
U-High shut out Runnels too ;D socceradvocate - your assessment of #5-10 looks accurate Runnels has shut out Episcopal, UHigh and Country Day in a recent 7-0-2 streak outscoring opponents 36-2.
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Post by soccdad on Jan 16, 2012 19:23:58 GMT -6
I feel the same about the polls being in the paper. It would give the players something to work to and build on. Perhaps we can get with the powers that be to get the polls done every week next season, and submitted to the Advocate, and other papers. Now to the controversial stuff! Follow me if you will, Sacred Heart lost to Newman. Sorry, they have lost multiple games, even if from higher divisions, time to move them down and quit showing so much love. Episcopal lost to university, gotta drop! Newman moves to number one, they have earned it! Catholic NI? PJP II, sorry gotta drop, lost to Episcopal and STA University High, jumps way up on defeat of Episcopal and sound wins over all others. They have only lost to Bay High, a nationally ranked team from Miss. Runnels, very solid, they move up! STA deserves a jump The rest, follow suit as above
New rankings for DivIII should be 1. Newman 2. University 3. Catholic NI 4. Runnels 5. Sacred Heart 6. Episcopal 7. STA pick the rest Now, LET'S HEAR SOME DISCUSSION!!!!
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Post by uhssoccer on Jan 16, 2012 22:14:16 GMT -6
Soccdad - Your assessment looks very accurate. University must make a big jump with the win over Episcopal. Uhigh's only lost was to a very stong nationally ranked Bay High team. While the University's score from the Runnels' game was 0-0, University seem to dominate the first half with 8 shots on goal to Runnels' 2. Runnels' keeper had a very strong game with some impressive saves.
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Post by beauchenecoach on Jan 17, 2012 23:17:29 GMT -6
As I said, some will quibble. The last several years, one could have predicted the state winner in DIII from one or two teams, maybe three. This year, seems to be a little bit more parity, and don't really see that dominant team. Always seems to be a few more quality teams in DI. With the limited number of overall teams and quality teams in DII, Aliceshoe's point about changing to two divisions would seem to have merit. I would agree with cutting the number of playoff teams, as well. Sorry, but the reality is that seed #32 really doesn't have a prayer. Most years yes! But in 2007-2008, Woodlawn would have been the 32nd seed according to power ratings that year (seeding wasn't in effect till following year), and they upset Jesuit in semifinals (or was it quartefinals and they made the semis?). That was Jesuits last loss until last season. So as you can see, they do have a chance, albeit a very, very small one.
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Post by mydove4 on Jan 18, 2012 16:40:39 GMT -6
While I do agree that in order to be the best you have to beat the best, I have to somewhat agree with uhscubs1. Seeding does matter to a certain extent. Do you believe that a coach who is involved in the voting of these polls does not have a vested interest in where his team is seeded? Case in point, in Div I, do you believe that Dominican's coach would want to be seeded fourth or fifth and possibly have to play #1 seed Mt. Carmel in the semi's, or be seeded second or third and possibly see them in the finals? Not to confuse seedings with rankings, but with the top 10, this is usually how it happens.
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Post by div1coach222 on Jan 19, 2012 7:01:16 GMT -6
I have changed my opinion about the importance of polls and seedings. Polls can sway seedings and seedings will change when you play a higher seed. OK, many are saying so what? Well injuries and illnesses are part of the game as you get deeper into the playoffs as the matches do become more physical. If a higher seed loses a important player that does affect that team. I am not saying I am hoping for a player to get hurt, but it happens and could affect the outcome. If I play a high seed later in the playoffs instead earlier my team could benefit from this. Again I stress that I am not hoping for injuries or illness to any player, but it HAPPENS!GLTA
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Post by greendad on Jan 20, 2012 7:03:09 GMT -6
Does anyone know if a brave sole has stepped up to offer calculating a Power Rankings on the Girls side?
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Post by coolhandluke on Jan 20, 2012 7:23:38 GMT -6
I am willing to make an attempt at it if someone can send me formulas & data
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