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Post by Antimatter on Feb 1, 2015 11:03:16 GMT -6
1- its match manipulation and in soccer is illegal and the LHSAA can and will get penalized for it from national in the long run
2- you should never change the flow of your offense
3- and we want to grow strong men. what are we teaching our children in football go hit somebody but in soccer OH NO you have to go easy on the other opponent couse their coach cant teach them how to play defense we have two 8th graders on our defense and no one this year has put more then 4 on us so far it aint to say that we might get blown out tomorrow but if we do I would like to still have a chance to try and never give up
4- in what world do principals now anything about soccer there admin workers WOW why aren't the coaches making this vote there the ones directly involve in the game
5- way to teach our children killer mentality the games are getting rougher and rougher but no LETS BE SOFT
6-your teaching our children that is OK to GIVE UP. no way that's not what sports any sport is about GO OUT THERE AND FIGHT is what we should be teaching our children
its sound to me that because soccer is not a big money maker YET its ok to give up
this is and LHSAA COMON MAN moment
IMO yall should had never even tought about this its illegal and somewhere down the road will cost you in ticket sales attendance food and beverage sales good one
LET HURT A CRIPLING GAME SOME MORE
yeah USA is going to win lots of world cup if we start implementing this kind of rules at this level
im beside myself
IF YOU CANT STOP US WHY IS THAT OUR FAULT WORK HARDED THAN THE NEXT GUY HAVE YOUR PARENTS HELP ON THE OFF SEASON On the first item, national allows it in their rules at the HS level They give states that ability....but still make states wear white uniforms at home.
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Post by happyjack on Feb 1, 2015 16:32:12 GMT -6
Anyone who thinks players losing by more than 8 are trying as hard as when the score was 0-0 doesn't know much about players...and I'm talking players on either side.
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Post by mckinleygirls on Feb 1, 2015 17:01:17 GMT -6
My team is one that has lost every district match and many of the 12 district matches by 10+ goals. We have shortened halves. My girls fight to the very end an would feel a game called early a slap in the face! I'm really trying to get my district to accept jut 1 round so there aren't so many non competitive matches. I schedule non district matches that are competitive to both teams. Does anyone know if this will be up to the coaches discretion? I know in the past where there was a mercy rule in place, in rec, both coaches would often ask that it not be enforced so we could get the full length of play in.
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Post by beauchenecoach on Feb 1, 2015 20:01:12 GMT -6
My team is one that has lost every district match and many of the 12 district matches by 10+ goals. We have shortened halves. My girls fight to the very end an would feel a game called early a slap in the face! I'm really trying to get my district to accept jut 1 round so there aren't so many non competitive matches. I schedule non district matches that are competitive to both teams. Does anyone know if this will be up to the coaches discretion? I know in the past where there was a mercy rule in place, in rec, both coaches would often ask that it not be enforced so we could get the full length of play in. It's a rule. There is no other way... As many who didn't want to accept the tie games in district learned the hard way this year. like I said earlier, ask refs to stay once it gets called for mercy rule, and of a whole,half was left. Play 30-40 JV game vs your varsity to finish it up. It's not the end of the world and yiu could still ask refs to go 80 minutes... Just the final would be the 8 goal lead and that means the other team who won could play JV all out vs your varsity without worrying about anything else. Probably both teams get more out of that.
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Post by mckinleygirls on Feb 1, 2015 20:03:32 GMT -6
Makes since. I know it's hard to be that team in the lead. You sure wouldn't want to put your weaker defense in and risk a goal being scored, so the game is officially called at 8-0 but time can be played out off the records?
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Post by happyjack on Feb 2, 2015 5:44:00 GMT -6
Most referees would say no they won't stay and continue a game that is over, if a player is injured in that it creates too many issues. If the teams want to have their coaches referee then that's fine, it becomes a scrimmage.
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Post by coachray40 on Feb 2, 2015 8:09:25 GMT -6
Most referees would say no they won't stay and continue a game that is over, if a player is injured in that it creates too many issues. If the teams want to have their coaches referee then that's fine, it becomes a scrimmage. Agreed--even moreso in mid to late January when they are doing 6 matches a week. If Im a ref, and the game is over--even because of the mercy rule, Im leaving
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Post by mckinleygirls on Feb 2, 2015 11:33:40 GMT -6
I'm a referee and if the teams asked ahead of time, I would stay! Wouldn't bother me a bit.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2015 14:52:20 GMT -6
Okay, if we are going to have a mercy rule...then why aren't we getting rid of districts?
Southwood and Haughton should be playing teams like North Caddo, Red River, Minden and Northwood...
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Post by hsref3 on Feb 3, 2015 15:47:39 GMT -6
Why are principals making the rules in the first place. If they are, I sure hope they are getting advice from AD and head coaches. I am quite sure that the principal at my high school cannot come up with an honest opinion on this issue without substantial input from people who actually know the game. No insult intended or inferred, our school administrators are professionals and do a great job at the work they do.
For the record imho: (1) If they are to have the mercy rule at all, 8 goals is way too low. And referees do not get paid by the minute, it is by the game. That means overtime is not extra, delays are not extra, etc. No we won't accept half pay. Last week, I left work early, drove almost 2 hours round trip for 2 varsity games, for a total of 6 hours, and made roughly $20/hour. Believe me, we do it for the love of the game, not for the money.
(2) White jerseys for the home team greatly enhances the referees ability to quickly and easily distinguish opposing team members. If the soccer community wants to provide the best refs, lets leave this good rule alone. I officiated a junior high game this season, with burgundy on one team and purple on the other. Much easier for us when one team has white jerseys and SOCKS. We will
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Post by futboldad on Feb 3, 2015 20:17:57 GMT -6
Why are principals making the rules in the first place. If they are, I sure hope they are getting advice from AD and head coaches. I am quite sure that the principal at my high school cannot come up with an honest opinion on this issue without substantial input from people who actually know the game. No insult intended or inferred, our school administrators are professionals and do a great job at the work they do. For the record imho: (1) If they are to have the mercy rule at all, 8 goals is way too low. And referees do not get paid by the minute, it is by the game. That means overtime is not extra, delays are not extra, etc. No we won't accept half pay. Last week, I left work early, drove almost 2 hours round trip for 2 varsity games, for a total of 6 hours, and made roughly $20/hour. Believe me, we do it for the love of the game, not for the money. (2) White jerseys for the home team greatly enhances the referees ability to quickly and easily distinguish opposing team members. If the soccer community wants to provide the best refs, lets leave this good rule alone. I officiated a junior high game this season, with burgundy on one team and purple on the other. Much easier for us when one team has white jerseys and SOCKS. We will hsref, I appreciate the need for contrasting jerseys for refs and fans alike, especially with my " old man eyes" under game lights. But you must not be a parent of a player playing now. White jerseys are so hard to wash. Not enough shout and oxy clean to clen white jerseys. Just sayin.
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Post by rlb2024 on Feb 3, 2015 21:24:22 GMT -6
Why are principals making the rules in the first place. If they are, I sure hope they are getting advice from AD and head coaches. I am quite sure that the principal at my high school cannot come up with an honest opinion on this issue without substantial input from people who actually know the game. No insult intended or inferred, our school administrators are professionals and do a great job at the work they do. For the record imho: (1) If they are to have the mercy rule at all, 8 goals is way too low. And referees do not get paid by the minute, it is by the game. That means overtime is not extra, delays are not extra, etc. No we won't accept half pay. Last week, I left work early, drove almost 2 hours round trip for 2 varsity games, for a total of 6 hours, and made roughly $20/hour. Believe me, we do it for the love of the game, not for the money. (2) White jerseys for the home team greatly enhances the referees ability to quickly and easily distinguish opposing team members. If the soccer community wants to provide the best refs, lets leave this good rule alone. I officiated a junior high game this season, with burgundy on one team and purple on the other. Much easier for us when one team has white jerseys and SOCKS. We will hsref, I appreciate the need for contrasting jerseys for refs and fans alike, especially with my " old man eyes" under game lights. But you must not be a parent of a player playing now. White jerseys are so hard to wash. Not enough shout and oxy clean to clen white jerseys. Just sayin. I agree. Besides, we have perfectly good long-sleeve white jerseys -- that are now illegal because they have a diagonal red stripe across the front. And the school colors are red and black, so we can't wear our school colors even in trim at home (other than the numbers, of course). If such a contrast is necessary, why not have a rule that all home teams must have solid white shirts and socks, and all road teams must have solid black shirts and socks? Burgundy and purple would meet the criteria for "home team has to change" to me.
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Post by laffysoccermom on Feb 3, 2015 22:28:47 GMT -6
I would think predominantly white would be ok. I firmly believe that piping or a single stripe will not confuse Louisiana refs.
Maybe refs in other states but not ours.
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Post by kahnman on Feb 4, 2015 6:54:45 GMT -6
The problem is, when you leave it open ended, it allows for confusion. The rule used to read "light" colors at home. Some teams would have yellow at home and blue on the road (2 school colors) and another might have white at home and yellow on the road. When they played what happened? Home team went to blue? Then you are not in "light" so the purpose of the rule has been removed. Then it went to "predominately" white. Teams got stripes. Both teams showed up in stripes. Heck, there were a few schools that wore the same jersey (stripes) home and away claiming on sat it was mostly white, and on wed it was mostly dark. That is why the "all white" jersey exists. Teams and coaches were given some latitude, and they couldn't handle it. Is the issue really getting stains out of a soccer jersey? Are we that concerned about a stain?
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Post by coachray40 on Feb 4, 2015 8:25:27 GMT -6
My reading of the rule says white jerseys and solid white socks--meaning that piping, trim , inserts and some striping will be okay on a jersey. Socks have to be solid white. So the team with a red stripe will be okay.
Right after the rule change was defeated, I decided to just say the heck with it, and we wore orange jerseys at home for our last two games. What happened? NUTHIN!. refs showed up, reffed the game and did just fine. No drama, no yellow cards, no anything. Im lucky in that my team now has three jerseys thanks to some donations from some of my college buds to buy us a set of navy and orange. We have a home, an away, and an alternate. Wear what you want. IF the officials do anything about it, then just take the yellow card, and behave the rest of the game. The only penalty is an "administrative" yellow card to the coach. No fines, no recourse, no nothing. Most officials will tell you that they really dont care what you wear. There is NO stipulation on what to wear at a tournament, so we can do it there. The only real issue you will find is if your team and the other team have the same uniform on--and in most cases that takes a text message to the other coach to figure out. Now, if I was playing Riverside at home, I wouldnt wear orange as they wear red, so we switch to white--or we could even wear our navy, as the refs really dont care. This big drama has become vastly overblown. Wear what you want, stop worrying about stains, the refs, or location, and if you are the home team then be prepared to change. If we ALL just use a little common sense and communication, as well as not acting as scared as a squirrel caught on the freeway, then this whole issue will pass by regardless of what we think the NFHS wants us to do.
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Post by Steven Gerrard on Feb 4, 2015 9:00:12 GMT -6
I would think predominantly white would be ok. I firmly believe that piping or a single stripe will not confuse Louisiana refs. Maybe refs in other states but not ours. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I537 using proboards Not too sure about that. Lots of parents and coaches think I am confused already.
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Post by Steven Gerrard on Feb 4, 2015 9:04:15 GMT -6
My reading of the rule says white jerseys and solid white socks--meaning that piping, trim , inserts and some striping will be okay on a jersey. Socks have to be solid white. So the team with a red stripe will be okay. Right after the rule change was defeated, I decided to just say the heck with it, and we wore orange jerseys at home for our last two games. What happened? NUTHIN!. refs showed up, reffed the game and did just fine. No drama, no yellow cards, no anything. Im lucky in that my team now has three jerseys thanks to some donations from some of my college buds to buy us a set of navy and orange. We have a home, an away, and an alternate. Wear what you want. IF the officials do anything about it, then just take the yellow card, and behave the rest of the game. The only penalty is an "administrative" yellow card to the coach. No fines, no recourse, no nothing. Most officials will tell you that they really dont care what you wear. There is NO stipulation on what to wear at a tournament, so we can do it there. The only real issue you will find is if your team and the other team have the same uniform on--and in most cases that takes a text message to the other coach to figure out. Now, if I was playing Riverside at home, I wouldnt wear orange as they wear red, so we switch to white--or we could even wear our navy, as the refs really dont care. This big drama has become vastly overblown. Wear what you want, stop worrying about stains, the refs, or location, and if you are the home team then be prepared to change. If we ALL just use a little common sense and communication, as well as not acting as scared as a squirrel caught on the freeway, then this whole issue will pass by regardless of what we think the NFHS wants us to do. Got to give us what we want Gotta give us what we need Our freedom of speech is freedom or death We got to fight the powers that be Lemme hear you say Fight the power
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Post by Sanofi-Aventis on Feb 5, 2015 19:15:23 GMT -6
Does the Mercy Rule extend into the Playoffs? Will we have a team travel from north Louisiana to south Louisiana (or vice versa) for 40 minutes of play? The game I did tonight was 4-0 in the 6th minute. The losing team did not cross midfield (except on the kickoff) until the 26th minute. The score was 7-0 at the half, but it could have been whatever the coach wanted it to be.
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Post by scoutteamcaptain on Feb 6, 2015 10:41:10 GMT -6
University has had multiple games this season when they could only score off of crosses in the air, and in some cases only headers. This rule is not the end of 80 minute games. A true coach would want to play the whole game to develop the younger players, and allow the opposing team to also develop through the season. Any coach that wants to 8 goal rule teams and go home probably shouldn't be coaching on the high school level. They should want to develop players and play the full time just for the love of the game.
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Post by Sanofi-Aventis on Feb 6, 2015 12:30:34 GMT -6
University has had multiple games this season when they could only score off of crosses in the air, and in some cases only headers. This rule is not the end of 80 minute games. A true coach would want to play the whole game to develop the younger players, and allow the opposing team to also develop through the season. Any coach that wants to 8 goal rule teams and go home probably shouldn't be coaching on the high school level. They should want to develop players and play the full time just for the love of the game. I completely disagree with you. It's the playoffs, why play 40 more minutes and risk injury to any of your starters or depth? I understand developing players in the regular season, but the playoffs are about survival. Love of the game doesn't win championships.
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