p_malinich
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Post by p_malinich on Mar 4, 2015 11:42:42 GMT -6
I appreciate the post, p_malinich. Thanks for sharing and I agree with what you said. And by the way, I do know several of the players and parents on the team and they are a great group.
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Post by counterattack on Mar 4, 2015 11:46:22 GMT -6
I wasn't calling you out so don't take my post personally. I think you interpreted my post as negative or diminishing BF's accomplishments. That wasn't the case at all. I was just stating my opinion on the matter. In fact, I agree with everything you have said. Sorry for coming off the wrong way. The fact that BF has gone 63 games unbeaten in Louisiana is outstanding. I hope they continue that streak through next year too. As a former player I know how hard it is to get through ONE game without losing, let alone THREE years. Those players will always remember that streak, no matter what. And as you said, I'm sure none of the players care about that loss because if they played again with their starters I guarantee the streak would still be going. They obviously don't care about the streak since they decided to rest their players (which was the right decision in my opinion). Well said. I apologize as well for the reaction!
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Post by dme1214 on Mar 4, 2015 15:15:30 GMT -6
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Post by soccerdad23 on Mar 4, 2015 15:29:40 GMT -6
I don't get it
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Post by kevin on Mar 5, 2015 8:14:18 GMT -6
My 2 cents:
Out-of-state games (including a game in MS against an LA team) did not count in power ratings this year.
In previous years, out-of-state games did not affect your divisional, district, or overall record (which determined wild cards).
I could be wrong, but I don't think they were even factored into any limits on tournaments or games played.
Those games were essentially exhibitions for BF regardless of what players were there or how hard they tried or anything else. They had as much impact as a preseason scrimmage.
Therefore, BF's streak goes back to the last time they lost in Louisiana.
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Post by soccerfan05 on Mar 5, 2015 9:08:47 GMT -6
A loss is a loss. Put an * by the streak.
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Post by soccerdad23 on Mar 5, 2015 10:10:29 GMT -6
Not a friendly or scrimmage No asterisk ! :-)
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Post by soccerdad23 on Mar 5, 2015 10:14:39 GMT -6
You may as well swallow the pill!! Ben Franklin Falcons!!
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Post by soccerfan05 on Mar 5, 2015 10:33:27 GMT -6
I think they are amazing, don't need any meds.
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Post by Scott Crawford on Mar 5, 2015 18:26:36 GMT -6
Northshore's record is not in jeopardy of being broken in the next year or two. Ben Franklin lost. Doesn't matter if Franklin would win against that northshore team or not (the best players in LA girls soccer history including a national team member played in the early 90s so I'm not entirely convinced Franklin would win). I am not a fan of how teams sometimes only report in state game, and this has become more common this year with the power ratings only taking into account state games. The power ratings require that which is understandable. However the team's actual record is formed by the games they play. I feel slightly misled in reading the newspaper articles about this streak that isn't.
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Post by soccerdad23 on Mar 5, 2015 19:17:05 GMT -6
The streak is! Look in the Louisiana record book and we have ZERO losses!!
Doesn't matter what your mind has conjured up!! Ben Franklin would ROUTE that north shore team!! :-)
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Post by soccerdad23 on Mar 5, 2015 20:22:41 GMT -6
Ahhhh... Onthefly you caught that! :-) That's the only reason I said that... Knew our girls would have the advantage of youth! Good one!! :-)
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Post by soccerdad23 on Mar 5, 2015 20:24:01 GMT -6
Bottom line Louisiana records say "undefeated" We'll take it :-)
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Post by counterattack on Mar 5, 2015 21:00:52 GMT -6
Within the Louisiana streak are wins over Dominican, St. Joseph's, Vandebilt, Teurlings, St. Thomas More, Lakeshore, Loyola, Newman, and Sacred Heart, among others as well. (Unless the sacred heart game I'm thinking of was in Mississippi and therefore didn't count?) Against most of those teams, Ben Franklin actually has multiple wins, even over Dominican in DI. That list is a good chunk of the best girls soccer programs in the state. Personally I think the better DII teams BF beat in the latter round of the playoffs all three years weren't much different from beating top DI teams. In the final 2 years ago, Vandebilt was a fantastic team who had proven themselves many times against the best in DI, and had some of the best players in the state regardless of division. BF beating them 2-0 with a young squad was a huge accomplishment, like beating an elite and experienced DI team. Teurlings, who BF beat in OT on the road in the semis, was a fantastic team that year as well. Last year in the final St Thomas More was a great team just a year removed from being a DI power. Lakeshore has always had many good club players. Loyola this year, like Vandy 2 years ago, was basically equivalent to a DI powerhouse, they beat multiple top 10 DI teams this year, had the best individual players in the Shreveport area regardless of division, and were undefeated. The difference in quality between the best DI teams and the best DII teams, at least in the last few years, has been pretty small. Does Ben Franklin's streak also include a LOT of wins over lesser teams? Absolutely. You make a good point there. This year, for example, BF arguably went a month and a half without playing a challenging game, between the 2 matches against Dominican when you had the holidays and a lot of unchallenging district games in January. But all the girls do is win the games they can, especially with a district schedule they have no control over. I'd be surprised if that Northshore team didn't play some pretty uninspiring opponents themselves! What Ben Franklin has done in the last 3 years is take care of business in the many games they're supposed to win comfortably, and then get really psyched and pumped for the big occasions, no matter how long it's been since the last time they were truly challenged. That's the mark of a great team. True, the streak could include more DI schools to be even more convincing, despite the wins over Dominican and SJA. Played SSA twice this year, letting go of late leads in both games and having to settle for ties. But it turns out SSA was the best DI team all along, so BF did pretty well to come away unscathed from those fantastic games. If they played a third time, no one knows what would happen. Haven't played Fontainebleau, Northshore, Mandeville, or Lafayette in these 3 years, which is a shame. Even within New Orleans, BF hasn't had the chance to play Mt Carmel, which is also a shame; although I don't think Ben Franklin is the reason that game hasn't happened. My point is, yes, BF could've played a few more DI powerhouses in the last few years, and I bet most of the players would've loved the chance. They thrive on competition. Still great seasons, and the quality of teams they DID beat in both DI and DII shouldn't be discounted. I think the loss to the Mississippi team has been discussed pretty thoroughly, people are just beating a dead horse now. Ben Franklin played significantly short handed in a game that didn't truly mean anything, but it was still a game and Ben Franklin still put a team on the field that lost, so there's a loss in the record books. Great. It doesn't take anything away AT ALL from what these girls have done in Louisiana in the last 3 years. If it makes everyone feel better, just call it a Louisiana streak and it's something these kids should still feel EXTREMELY proud of. And let's not forget, the Louisiana streak is still going! The target on BF's back will just get bigger and bigger, but it will still take a great team to take them down. One day, Ben Franklin's streak and Northshore's streak will both stand pretty impressive, regardless of whether BF passes them or not. It's very nice of you to wish Ben Franklin good luck in keeping it going next year, that kind of supportive and complimentary message is always appreciated.
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Post by Scott Crawford on Mar 5, 2015 21:29:22 GMT -6
In over 20 years of following Louisiana high school soccer, there's one thing that is constant: fans blaming losses on referees or their best players not being at the game. Franklin might've been missing their best players for that game. But it doesn't matter. Ben Franklin stepped on to the field against another team in a regulation game and lost. The streak was over when that whistle blew. The Northshore team of the 1980s and 1990 has the longest on beaten streak in Louisiana girls high school soccer.same can be said about the Jesuit team in the late 2000s. Those jesuit teams played numerous out-of-state teams, including some of the best teams in the nation. And Jesuit counted every single out-of-state game because they were regulation games.
If Ben Franklin wanted that streak and think that the reason they lost 0 to 5 to a Mississippi team is because their best players were not at the game, they should've madethose players go to the game to preserve their streak. But the streak is over. And Northshore's streak is in no threat of being matched anytime soon.
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Post by soccerdad23 on Mar 5, 2015 21:41:35 GMT -6
according to you which means absolutely nothing!!! YAH trick Yah!!!
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Post by alto1smom on Mar 5, 2015 21:44:54 GMT -6
Wow you really took down my post?
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Post by counterattack on Mar 5, 2015 21:48:04 GMT -6
In over 20 years of following Louisiana high school soccer, there's one thing that is constant: fans blaming losses on referees or their best players not being at the game. Franklin might've been missing their best players for that game. But it doesn't matter. Ben Franklin stepped on to the field against another team in a regulation game and lost. The streak was over when that whistle blew. The Northshore team of the 1980s and 1990 has the longest on beaten streak in Louisiana girls high school soccer.same can be said about the Jesuit team in the late 2000s. Those jesuit teams played numerous out-of-state teams, including some of the best teams in the nation. And Jesuit counted every single out-of-state game because they were regulation games. If Ben Franklin wanted that streak and think that the reason they lost 0 to 5 to a Mississippi team is because their best players were not at the game, they should've madethose players go to the game to preserve their streak. But the streak is over. And Northshore's streak is in no threat of being matched anytime soon. Getting a bit tiresome! No matter how many times I or anyone else acknowledge that BF lost a game fair and square, someone is still going to call out the BF posters for making excuses and trying to discount the loss, despite specific statements like "A loss is a loss, no excuses." As I've said, if BF has a 63-game unbeaten streak, it's only within Louisiana! Still not bad. Is it not correct to state that Ben Franklin hasn't lost to a Louisiana team in 63 games? I'm pretty sure that's accurate and irrefutable. That Northshore team must have been excellent, wish I could go back and see them play. Thank you for going back in history to remind everyone of their accomplishments. Very cool.
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Post by Scott Crawford on Mar 5, 2015 21:49:48 GMT -6
I have no dog in this other than as a fan of high school soccer in Louisiana. I think it's disingenuous telling the media about a streak that was snapped. I was very excited when I thought Franklin was approaching the record, thus the thread. But I am now disappointed that the whole truth was not being disseminated and it's time to set the record straight.
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Post by soccerdad23 on Mar 5, 2015 21:57:06 GMT -6
go tell it on the mountain! see who listens! while you at it see if LHSAA will change their records too. if that happens then come talk... in the mean time........
BEN FRANKLIN!! 3x State Camps 3x Undefeated in state I AM BEN FRANKLIN!!
Hopefully we spanked whichever dog you did have in the hunt!
Hate is strong in the air tonight!!
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