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Post by Rabid Monkey on Apr 2, 2015 13:29:08 GMT -6
This may be the strangest thread I have read
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Post by futbol13 on Apr 2, 2015 14:16:52 GMT -6
Soccerdad, do you feel BF would have won the State Championship if you were the coach of the team?
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Post by soccerdad23 on Apr 2, 2015 14:24:39 GMT -6
absolutely NOT!!1 I woulda had em running flea flickers and they woulda started each half in the three point stance! and I don't think they woulda been able to execute all the blitzes I woulda called!
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Post by soccerdad23 on Apr 2, 2015 14:27:47 GMT -6
they wouldn't give me keys to a tractor after I was finished!
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Post by offthepost on Apr 2, 2015 15:40:30 GMT -6
Nobody has mentioned that coach Matlock is the coach at a Division III school with less than 450 students that was thrust into Division II for the last two years at the same time st Thomas Moore dropped down to Division II. Nothing against Ben Franklins coach!
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Post by futbol13 on Apr 2, 2015 15:47:33 GMT -6
I don't want to take anything away from the coach, he's done a fabulous job. But I feel a COY is one that has lost 7-8 starting Seniors the previous season and came back the next season to repeat as state champs. You know the heart of the current BF team plays together for the better part of a calendar year on a very successful and well rounded club team.
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Post by alto1smom on Apr 3, 2015 11:42:49 GMT -6
I may be mistaken but Division I COY may be a repeater, Coach Otner. I will also add that I am a pretty big fan of his, though we have never met. However, he definitely has been red carded and thrown out of at least one game this year and it did not hurt his chances at COY. I believe this is slightly insulting to Jose but not a jab at Mike. However, Loyola had much more depth this year than Franklin and the misconception of the Ferari to drive is a bit overstated. BF has 5 seasoned club players--THAT'S ALL!
My issue with bestowing honors is that it be done with integrity. We faced this in district meeting for softball last year when a coach wanted to argue his pitcher should get the award because she was a senior. I was the only coach who stated what every other coach was thinking--the Sophomore pitcher from another school was better--this year and last! Why should a senior get the award and she she doesn't deserve it. We voted silently and the deserving girl received the honor and the BS about being a senior or spreading the wealth around is just right. Earn it! Only in FEMALE sports does this happen. This in part is why our children can't meet adversity well, we lie to them constantly telling them they are the best when they are not always the best. Awards should be given to the person who clearly earns it or don't give them.
I only saw one game of Loyola's this year. I couldn't cast a fair vote except from that one game and Jose was the better coach in the match on the day. A starter goes down with cramps and he makes adjustments to survive an could not sub because of his lack of depth in that position. Two very sloppy goals were given up and he maintained his teams calm and composure. The forward botched up two wide open shots to really blow this game out of the stadium and Jose continued to command the ship with confidence and overcome the adversity the team was facing. The game was only tied once and that was in the first three minutes 0-0.
I repeat it is only 5 players. They must have you guys believing this BF team is loaded to get in the soccer community's head. It is only 5 players guys. I think it is amazing to accomplish 3 undated years with only a heart or core of 5 players and this is the first year they have all been healthy. As far as Seniors go, that's rubbish. I will take the best player who care the classification of the kid. You could loose 11 seniors if you have the right underclassmen in your school. BF lost the goalie and 3 of the four starting defenders. Everyone said how weak the defense has always been and the goalie deficit is tremendous--don't go changing your song now.
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Post by Antimatter on Apr 3, 2015 16:26:34 GMT -6
I certainly agree on the idea of not awarding honors to seniors just because they are seniors. If folks want to do that they should create an All-Seniors team. You may take away an honor for a player that due to injury, moving or something else does not play anymore.
I already had stated I would have voted for Jose but they do not give me a vote and that is before remembering about Franklin losing a goalie to graduation which can hurt a team.
I do not think it is an insult to Jose and I doubt he would see it that way.
Did anyone ever post who votes on this award? I am curious because it may shed more light.
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Post by soccerdad23 on Apr 3, 2015 16:36:42 GMT -6
Did anyone ever post who votes on this award? I am curious because it may shed more light
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Post by soccerdad23 on Apr 3, 2015 16:38:58 GMT -6
HA!! dream on!!.........they'll NEVER post that!!
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Post by p_malinich on Apr 3, 2015 17:19:11 GMT -6
Did anyone ever post who votes on this award? I am curious because it may shed more light HA! dream on!...they'll NEVER post that! It's the same people that vote on All-State. It's all done at the same time. Any LHSSCA member in good standing is eligible to vote (one per school I think). So the same people that selected Alex Thomas (Franklin) as MVP and 5 Franklin girls and 4 Loyola girls as All-State are the same people that selected Coach Matlock (Loyola) as COY.
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Post by offtherecord on Apr 4, 2015 5:38:25 GMT -6
Shame on those of you who started and support this thread. Shame on the moderators for not deleting it. There is absolutely no reason for a negative shadow to be cast on this honor for Coach Matlock. You claim no disrespect to Coach Matlock but that is exactly what you are showing, disrespect.
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Post by soccerdad23 on Apr 4, 2015 8:38:21 GMT -6
You are absolutely entitled to your opinion But so is everyone else
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Post by observer7 on Apr 4, 2015 11:07:29 GMT -6
I did not get to vote on the COY award, but I think the thread was started as a question as to why the decision was made. I do not think there was any disrespect intended, and I believe the winner of the Award (Coach Matlock) is not feeling disrespected at all, neither is Coach Ferrand for not being voted as COY. It is a vote that the majority has its' say.
A few years ago a District had a 'majority' vote that a Coach with all losses in the District won COY. The same District named a player Offensive MVP, even though said player scored less goals than others in the District, the same player was also placed on the second team All District. Interesting much!?
This example was used to show that everyone is entitled to their own opinion(s), and sometimes the rationale may seem obvious to us, but the reality of the vote is not.
Until there is clear cut criterion for Awards, there will always be doubt, second guessing, and controversies associated with the choices put forward by the voters.
Remember, the power is in the hands of the voters.
That's my 2 cents on the matter . Btw UA is looking to fill its' (wide open) schedule for next season ;-}
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Post by Antimatter on Apr 4, 2015 11:16:48 GMT -6
Good points, observer7.
Without a roadmap or guidelines, folks make their own when voting and you could go a lot of different directions without disrespecting those not picked.
Heck, some of the best coaching I saw this year were two schools in their soccer infancy with players with minimal or no experience. Both of these teams lost the majority of games badly but yet you could see a yearning in the players to do as their coach had charged. You could also see incredible development by the end of the season. No one would be wrong in voting for a coach such as this for COY. They would jsut be exercising a different opinion of what the award meant to them.
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Post by soccerdad23 on Apr 4, 2015 11:25:30 GMT -6
Shame on those of you who started and support this thread. Shame on the moderators for not deleting it. There is absolutely no reason for a negative shadow to be cast on this honor for Coach Matlock. You claim no disrespect to Coach Matlock but that is exactly what you are showing, disrespect. But why do you think the thread should be deleted? Why do you think Loyola's coach is being disrespected? I don't think anyone on here has said he shouldn't have got it. I don't think it was a conspiracy as to WHY he got it. Do you not think however its a valid question or issue to raise? do you think that Loyola's coach deserved the COY hands down and was CLEARLY heads and shoulders above the rest? Malinich pointed out that the same folks that voted for the POY and the five girl from BF that made the all-state team are the same folks that voted for COY.(not sure if that was somewhat of a jab or not) BUT was there questions of whom the POY was OR that the five girls from BF deserved to make the all state team? if there are then please raise them. I think we can absolutely defend those honors! Right now the only defense so far of the COY award to go to Loyola's coach is that they didn't really want to give it to the same coach 2years in a row. Well we know that Otner was chosen COY 2 years in a row this year and last year. We can certainly have a strong argument that BF's coach had a better year than both Otner and Matlock and probably more so than Matlock. is that NOT a fact? offtherecord you're calling for a cease and desist order on this thread. apparently because we're disrespecting Matlock. seems you're saying he's won the award now let it go because we are casting a negative shadow on the award. But ponder this, the President of the United States has won two terms in office. People constantly disrespect him. heck people still trying to raise the birth certificate issue. Right now people are casting a negative shadow over the Office of the President! My point is I don't know that ANYONE is above being questioned for any honor they may receive. Again I have never said that Matlock shouldn't have received the award. I wouldn't have voted for him. I would have vote for East Jefferson's coach. If I may ask, who would you have voted for?
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Post by offtherecord on Apr 4, 2015 12:09:11 GMT -6
Coaches nominate and vote on this award. They are not required to tell you why or explain themselves. Your idea of the criteria may not match the next guys or gals. For whatever reason he was voted to receive this honor this year. He also received the COY award two years ago in DIII when Loyola was the runner up that year as well. To create a thread entirely about why one specific person received it over someone else who you feel was more deserving is ridiculous.
Soccerdad23 I have no intention of addressing you publicly. I have said my piece.
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Post by soccerdad23 on Apr 4, 2015 12:21:58 GMT -6
I'm really not trying to upset you offtherecord I respect your position.
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Post by copakid14 on Apr 4, 2015 12:41:34 GMT -6
I think it was because I threatened for Shreveport to bid to host the finals again if they didn't vote for me haha. I'm not offended by the question at all, especially given the source. I don't feel the need to justify my credentials or argue over who coached the best game etc. I had a phenomenal group of kids both on and off the field that contributed to our great season. I, like most coaches, put my heart and soul into my teams to try and give them the best opportunity to be successful. There are many coaches out there deserving recognition for what they do everyday mentoring and developing players. Some of those coaches have a lot of talented players and others do not. Having coached in both scenarios, there are unique challenges in each. Coach Ferrand had a great year and is much happier with that state championship than I am with COY I assure you.
The majority of coaches read these boards and sometimes people can cause a negative association with a particular team based on the actions of a few posters. I'm not saying this has ever influenced a vote but people can sometimes make it hard to like someone.
I'm honored to be recognized by my peers but more so to have had the opportunity to experience this last year with my team. It was an awesome experience from start to finish. At the end of the day, this is a game that provides some excellent life learning experiences and some great memories. Now back to the beach and my family... truly the most important thing!
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Post by counterattack on Apr 4, 2015 13:07:47 GMT -6
offtherecord, you're right that coaches are entitled to vote as they see fit and have no obligation to go defend their pick to everyone.
However, you're being a bit unreasonable. I'm not going to comment on who should've won the award but this is a public forum meant for public exchange of opinion, analysis, and discussion. That includes the freedom to call into question or even criticize something that someone disagrees with, or maybe even just wants other people's thoughts. No one has said Coach Matlock didn't do a great job this season or is undeserving.
I just find it so irritating when someone tries to start a discussion or wants other people's thoughts on these boards, and then gets called out for being too outspoken and possibly offending someone. Then no one else wants to respond and the original poster is made to look classless unfairly. It happened a lot this year and frankly the forums got pretty boring for a while in the middle of the season. True, there is a classy and unclassy way to post, but I think soccerdad23 did his best to be respectful. To suggest a thread should be deleted for questioning/discussing the choice of an award is a bit dramatic. I don't think we want to censure or remove the right to a public opinion.
With that being said, congrats to Coach Matlock and good luck next year! He has obviously helped make Loyola one of the best programs in the state and deserves a lot of credit, as do many other great coaches.
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