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Mar 4, 2006 23:48:41 GMT -6
Post by chillcrunk on Mar 4, 2006 23:48:41 GMT -6
i mean its not like they would go to DI and not compete. they beat alot of good DI teams if i remember correctly. they would go and be a top team like they are now. and they would probably get more respect that way also for beating better competition
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D II
Mar 4, 2006 23:52:53 GMT -6
Post by beckhamismyidol on Mar 4, 2006 23:52:53 GMT -6
look at dutchtown, they've moved up every year and have been able to prove stiff competition every year, and Vandy either won or lost (can't reemmber) 1-0 against them. They drew against Jesuit too I believe, and it's because they are good. If I were on the team I'd want to be playing those teams in the playoffs to be honest
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D II
Mar 4, 2006 23:54:30 GMT -6
Post by defendtowin23 on Mar 4, 2006 23:54:30 GMT -6
im sorry but private schools do recruit... im not saying all but i have had friends offered free enrollment to play sports at private school..... some not as extreme but its not right to say that it doesnt go on.....
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D II
Mar 4, 2006 23:58:18 GMT -6
Post by chillcrunk on Mar 4, 2006 23:58:18 GMT -6
they arent soccer scholarships the are "academic" scholarships
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D II
Mar 5, 2006 0:31:37 GMT -6
Post by Bish on Mar 5, 2006 0:31:37 GMT -6
Division II has been the weakest division for a long time, and there's no exception this year. If you want to argue otherwise, please give me a list of that teams quality wins. And no, that doesn't include wins against other Division II schools.
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D II
Mar 5, 2006 0:40:23 GMT -6
Post by ontheRun24 on Mar 5, 2006 0:40:23 GMT -6
i know loyola used to be in dIII for a long period of time and a couple of years ago moved up to division II. no clue about the other sports thou div.2 mostly consists of 4A schools...loyola is in div.2 but in football theyre 2A. so i guess u can change class or whatever in soccer and the sports that arent as popular??
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D II
Mar 5, 2006 7:29:12 GMT -6
Post by nolaball on Mar 5, 2006 7:29:12 GMT -6
Why would a team want to move up, why not just keep winning where you are? A state championship is a state championship For the same reason Evangel and Curtis don't want to play AA football. Where's the challenge when only 3 or 4 teams really have a chance to beat you and when, the way the brackets are, you really only are exposed to 1 or 2. Even though the top DII teams are really good, no one can really argue that they have as tough a road to a final as DI or DIII. There just isn't any depth in the division. For example, in both NO and BR, the top DIII teams can, and did, beat the top DII teams quite easily. Why do we need DII anyway? Why not reclassify to have only two divisions?
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D II
Mar 5, 2006 16:02:56 GMT -6
Post by ole5 on Mar 5, 2006 16:02:56 GMT -6
Why would a team want to move up, why not just keep winning where you are? A state championship is a state championship For the same reason Evangel and Curtis don't want to play AA football. Where's the challenge when only 3 or 4 teams really have a chance to beat you and when, the way the brackets are, you really only are exposed to 1 or 2. Even though the top DII teams are really good, no one can really argue that they have as tough a road to a final as DI or DIII. There just isn't any depth in the division. For example, in both NO and BR, the top DIII teams can, and did, beat the top DII teams quite easily. Why do we need DII anyway? Why not reclassify to have only two divisions? Classify to have two Divisions? The whole point of doing that is so you dont have teams with 2,000 boys at their school like Jesuit playing a 4A(Division II) or 3AA school that has boys and girls, with way under 1,000 boys playing against each other. When you have double the pick of athletes AND you can take students from ANYWHERE in the state? it makes a BIG difference. It keeps things equal. Thats almost like saying why dont we just combine all college soccer teams and make them play each other. What a match, Louisiana College vs Maryland.
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D II
Mar 5, 2006 16:07:23 GMT -6
Post by timaeus on Mar 5, 2006 16:07:23 GMT -6
It would be better for Louisiana soccer if Division II and III were combined.
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D II
Mar 5, 2006 16:44:02 GMT -6
Post by oldmanfan on Mar 5, 2006 16:44:02 GMT -6
yall keep saying d2 is week , well vch has beaten alot of the d1 teams that maid it to the playoffs and a few that maid it to the finals i think the score was vch 4 fhs 1 and this team was in d1 finals come on give a little more credit
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D II
Mar 5, 2006 16:52:07 GMT -6
Post by ole5 on Mar 5, 2006 16:52:07 GMT -6
yall keep saying d2 is week , well vch has beaten alot of the d1 teams that maid it to the playoffs and a few that maid it to the finals i think the score was vch 4 fhs 1 and this team was in d1 finals come on give a little more credit People always give credit to vchs. When they say DII is weak their reffering to the rest of the teams with the exception of MAYBE STM and Ben Franklin. Because in DIII and DI almost any team can compete for it but in DII they usually give it to Vandy, and you cant blame them.
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D II
Mar 5, 2006 16:52:47 GMT -6
Post by m on Mar 5, 2006 16:52:47 GMT -6
I think they mean overall D2 is weak. I don't think anyone said Vandy was weak.
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D II
Mar 5, 2006 21:48:24 GMT -6
Post by toejobber on Mar 5, 2006 21:48:24 GMT -6
Yeah. D II is good at the top. But after the top six or so the drop off is crazy. Why would 4A get one whole division anyway? Merge the larger D IIs into DI and the smaller into D I. Better competitiveness all around. Isn't that the point, rather than a title in a weak division. Vandy is good enough to play with anyone. Let's see it.
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D II
Mar 5, 2006 22:11:13 GMT -6
Post by newtosoccer on Mar 5, 2006 22:11:13 GMT -6
What is considered a large DII school ?
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D II
Mar 5, 2006 22:12:12 GMT -6
Post by chillcrunk on Mar 5, 2006 22:12:12 GMT -6
they should almost all be around the same size schools since they are supposed to be 4A schools. unless you have the ones like loyola that moved up
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D II
Mar 6, 2006 7:52:49 GMT -6
Post by toejobber on Mar 6, 2006 7:52:49 GMT -6
What is considered a large DII school ? I dunno. The point I'm going for is that D II is stuck in between two stronger, top to bottom, divisions. Can't see how that will change by evolution. A solution is to reduce to two divisions by either killing DII by bumping all or the bigger 4A teams to D I or by growing DII by bumping the 3A DIII schools into it.
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D II
Mar 6, 2006 10:36:24 GMT -6
Post by MichaelM on Mar 6, 2006 10:36:24 GMT -6
DII isnt weak. Vandy just rolls through everyone like it isnt anything for them. Who did they play in DII that gave them a challege? No one, they pretty much just rolled through everyone in there season and in the playoffs and then became the state champions again. Vandy is an incredible team and they were definitely the team for the title. Now in my opinion the top 4 are Vandy, ASH, and STM. STM is a good team, but they lost to us and i know everyone put them over us, but they did not advanace to the Semifinals like us. So i have to disagree on DII being week, Vandy is just a powerhouse team with great talent and players.
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D II
Mar 6, 2006 10:41:59 GMT -6
Post by ole5 on Mar 6, 2006 10:41:59 GMT -6
You disagree with it being weak because you go to Alexandria but just cause you have one great team and 3 or 4 good teams in your district doesnt mean it isnt weak. The top 5 teams in DI would more than likely beat any team besides Vandy in DII. Top 3 or so in DIII would also more than likely beat any team in in Division II. Division II is weaker than the 3. But that is because there are less private schools and less students to choose from than DI. Therefore putting the Divisions together wouldnt make it fair. If Vandy wants to play up they can play up.
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D II
Mar 6, 2006 10:43:43 GMT -6
Post by oldphart on Mar 6, 2006 10:43:43 GMT -6
Combine 4A & 3A schools into DII. Make the bigger schools face St. Louis, Tuerlings (and make them face bigger schools), etc. and give the smaller schools more of a chance. For a while it will get easy for Newman & St. Martin but hopefully everybody will catch up.
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D II
Mar 6, 2006 10:49:59 GMT -6
Post by MichaelM on Mar 6, 2006 10:49:59 GMT -6
well said ole5. Vandy should play up because they are the best team in DII and that would give the other schools like ASH, STM, Parkway, Pineville, ETC to win the championship. I agree with you on that, Vandy can play with those other teams in D3 and and even D1, but ASH the other teams in DII probably couldnt handle those team like Vandy could.
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