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D II
Mar 4, 2006 22:24:25 GMT -6
Post by nolaball on Mar 4, 2006 22:24:25 GMT -6
Well done to Vandy and EA. But the question must be asked: what to do about D II, clearly the weakest of the three divisions. Not even close.
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D II
Mar 4, 2006 22:27:37 GMT -6
Post by newtosoccer on Mar 4, 2006 22:27:37 GMT -6
Consider splitting up the top seeds Vandy, STM, and ASH were all in the top of the bracket
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D II
Mar 4, 2006 22:29:03 GMT -6
Post by nolaball on Mar 4, 2006 22:29:03 GMT -6
Yeah, but geez...there aren't but 4 quality teams in the whole division.
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D II
Mar 4, 2006 22:53:40 GMT -6
Post by chillcrunk on Mar 4, 2006 22:53:40 GMT -6
who do you consider as the 4 quality teams?
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D II
Mar 4, 2006 23:07:42 GMT -6
Post by newtosoccer on Mar 4, 2006 23:07:42 GMT -6
Vandy, STM, ASH and Parkway
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D II
Mar 4, 2006 23:11:46 GMT -6
Post by chillcrunk on Mar 4, 2006 23:11:46 GMT -6
well pineville beat ash twice and loyola and neville beat parkway once a piece. and E.A. is a good team too. maybe there is only one great teams and alot of good teams......
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D II
Mar 4, 2006 23:19:18 GMT -6
Post by beckhamismyidol on Mar 4, 2006 23:19:18 GMT -6
The problem is numbers and organization unfortunately. Areas like Lafayette, New Orleans, and Baton Rouge have had programs for years that have been organized and they've brought good staff in. I know that here in Alexandria we are just now being able to compete with teams from other areas and are bringing up some young talent due to more adults wanting to learn this game and coach. If you look at DII, who are the top 2 teams every year, private schools, then it's a bunch of public schools that are, as everybody puts it, "everybody else not as good as vandy and stm" That's the problem. The top schools in DII are the private schools and the rest do not have the organization or money to put into a soccer program. I notice teams like Lafayette have jv teams and freshman teams, most public schools barely get the numbers to field a decent starting 11. It has nothing to do with not splitting up the brackets. Think of it this way, put STM on one side and Vandy on the other and who does everybody expect to meet in the finals? Whereas this year it was expected that the winner of Vandy/STM would play mayyybe ben franklin but there were still several teams who could (and did) end up being there. The best way to make DII more interesting would be to take vandy and stm and put 'em in DI, and then it'd just be a whole bunch of "average teams" playing each other in DII which would make the championship a toss up. I think if the interest in soccer increases OUTSIDE of highschool, and more people need to become involved with the youth and start coaching the real game at a much younger age, otherwise all the good players will likely go to the private schools that have money to focus on their programs(with the exception of a few that go to public schools)
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D II
Mar 4, 2006 23:20:02 GMT -6
Post by newtosoccer on Mar 4, 2006 23:20:02 GMT -6
I tend to agree that there are alot of good teams in DII. Maybe more than one great team as well
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D II
Mar 4, 2006 23:20:36 GMT -6
Post by tsumi77 on Mar 4, 2006 23:20:36 GMT -6
I think you could divide D2 in 3 groups:
1) Vandy, STM and Ben Franklin... all 3 are power houses!!
2) then comes a group of good teams: ASH, Neville, Pineville, Parkway, DeRidder, Loyola, StMichaels, Tara, Lee, Zachary, EA... all those teams could compete with each other!
3) everybody else... at least for the season 2005-2006.
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D II
Mar 4, 2006 23:23:29 GMT -6
Post by chillcrunk on Mar 4, 2006 23:23:29 GMT -6
well i dont see more then one great team. if stm was so great this year then why did they lose to a team that nobody picked would even get by parkway. either they were overrated or ash was underrated. people picked vandy, stm, pineville and ben franklin to be around in the semis because of the rankings and only 2 of those teams were there. people underestimate the "weaker" teams and it seems to bite them in the butt.
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D II
Mar 4, 2006 23:26:10 GMT -6
Post by beckhamismyidol on Mar 4, 2006 23:26:10 GMT -6
is it possible for a school to have one sports program play in a higher division? i always wonder because vandy can compete for the DI championship year in and year out. i can see why they wouldn't if every sport has to move up but if they could move just soccer up, why not. Why be content with being a big fish in the little pond
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D II
Mar 4, 2006 23:27:45 GMT -6
Post by PutMeInCoach2 on Mar 4, 2006 23:27:45 GMT -6
is it possible for a school to have one sports program play in a higher division? i always wonder because vandy can compete for the DI championship year in and year out. i can see why they wouldn't if every sport has to move up but if they could move just soccer up, why not. Why be content with being a big fish in the little pond I think its possible but the girls would have to move up as well, and the girls arent a powerhouse like the boys are. Im not certain on this though...
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D II
Mar 4, 2006 23:27:48 GMT -6
Post by newtosoccer on Mar 4, 2006 23:27:48 GMT -6
Doesn't a school's enrollment dictate which division they play ? It is not like Vandy or STM recruit.
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D II
Mar 4, 2006 23:28:41 GMT -6
Post by chillcrunk on Mar 4, 2006 23:28:41 GMT -6
i know loyola used to be in dIII for a long period of time and a couple of years ago moved up to division II. no clue about the other sports thou
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D II
Mar 4, 2006 23:30:25 GMT -6
Post by PutMeInCoach2 on Mar 4, 2006 23:30:25 GMT -6
Doesn't a school's enrollment dictate which division they play ? It is not like Vandy or STM recruit. It does, but a school can file to play in a division higher then their level of enrollment
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D II
Mar 4, 2006 23:30:39 GMT -6
Post by chillcrunk on Mar 4, 2006 23:30:39 GMT -6
Doesn't a school's enrollment dictate which division they play ? It is not like Vandy or STM recruit. im sure they dont go out and pick their players but they do have the reputation of being a soccer powerhouse of dII and since they dont have an attendence zone, great players go there. its not recruiting but they probably get great players because of past teams success. just a thought
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D II
Mar 4, 2006 23:31:49 GMT -6
Post by m on Mar 4, 2006 23:31:49 GMT -6
You can move up in Divisional sports, like Swimming, Soccer, etc, but not in Classification sports, football, basketball etc.
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D II
Mar 4, 2006 23:34:54 GMT -6
Post by newtosoccer on Mar 4, 2006 23:34:54 GMT -6
Why would a team want to move up, why not just keep winning where you are? A state championship is a state championship
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D II
Mar 4, 2006 23:38:11 GMT -6
Post by PutMeInCoach2 on Mar 4, 2006 23:38:11 GMT -6
Why would a team want to move up, why not just keep winning where you are? A state championship is a state championship because the compititon in between the two divisions. If you look at soccer, and compare the 3 winners and knowing nothing about soccer. You are more likely see say that DI is the best team
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D II
Mar 4, 2006 23:43:54 GMT -6
Post by beckhamismyidol on Mar 4, 2006 23:43:54 GMT -6
Because I have an opinion and it is that there's no glory in winning the same competition against the same teams year in year out. DI seems to be the most recognized division, there's usually the best teams fighting it out there, big schools have more kids meaning better programs really. If I were winning easily every year i'd want a challenge, obviously some people aren't like that as we can see. They would be content with winning finals 8-0 every year, because a final is a final. And if the brackets never change, then the chances of a powerhouse ending up playing Vandebilt in the finals seems unlikely, so where's the competition. I'd must rather play a final against jesuit or lafayette or st louis than ASH, yes i named my own team, or another team that can not compete against them.
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