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Post by araborn on Feb 23, 2006 22:33:20 GMT -6
full time students in a CURRICULUM involving these areas. There is no mention of needing to be in a certain major, just the curriculum. That's the problem with the law. One person interprets it as needing a certain major and others don't. I guess we'll see tomorrow like the news just said
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Post by Ghandi on Feb 23, 2006 22:35:56 GMT -6
Saw that save?
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Post by araborn on Feb 23, 2006 22:37:47 GMT -6
shut it ghandi!!
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Post by araborn on Feb 23, 2006 22:38:18 GMT -6
you get put on the news and now you're a star huh?
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Post by toepoker on Feb 23, 2006 22:39:09 GMT -6
So in the truest sense of a moderator you cannot see how the halftime actions of LHS participants may have played into the outcome. Come on take a deep breath and back away. A moderator should be able to see both sides! A bad call in a sporting event is the nature of the beast.
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Post by lakeview on Feb 23, 2006 22:43:49 GMT -6
Yeah, just what these whitebread boys need, a policeman in their face to get them motivated to win one for the college student.
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Post by McScruff on Feb 23, 2006 22:44:33 GMT -6
I do not accept that I made your argument, oldjock. Please elaborate.
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Post by timaeus on Feb 23, 2006 23:26:32 GMT -6
Just for records' sake, this was posted on Jesuit's webpage, www.jesuitnola.org/about/aboutindex.htm:In a stunning turn of events, Jesuit was informed late Thursday by the Louisiana High School Athletic Association (LHSAA) that it had ordered Lafayette High School to forfeit last Tuesday's quarterfinals soccer match against the Blue Jays because an investigation revealed rules violations concerning ineligible Lafayette coaches. The ruling disqualifies Lafayette, which had won Tuesday's quarterfinals match, 2-1, and thrusts the Blue Jays right back into the state playoffs. The Blue Jays will play Fontainebleau in a semi-final game this Saturday at 1 p.m. at Pan Am Stadium in City Park. Admission is $5. In a letter to Lafayette's principal, LHSAA Commissioner Tommy Henry wrote that a "routine investigation of the alleged unsportsmanlike acts and apparent confusion that reportedly occurred" during the Jesuit-Lafayette game revealed "that your school possibly allowed an individual to perform coaching duties who does not meet any of the requirements of the association's coaching rules." The LHSAA had opened its own inquiry to determine what had happened during the game and at halftimein Lafayette. The articles that appeared in the New Orleans and Lafayette newspapers read like police blotter material as news reporters paid scant attention to the athletics on the field, instead focusing on the off-field shenanigans that involved a Lafayette player, a Lafayette assistant coach, a referee, and the Lafayette police department. (Go to Jesuit's Soccer home page to read the newspaper articles.) Jesuit athletic director Frank Misuraca said that the incident did not involve anyone connected with Jesuit High School. Jesuit's soccer players held thir heads high in defeat, said Misuraca, who added that the school had no intention of challenging the outcome of the game. He also said that Jesuit did not instigate the LHSAA investigation. Commissioner Henry ruled that two assistant coaches for Lafayette's soccer team are not registered with the LHSAA and, therefore, are ineligible. As a result of their ineligibility, Commissioner Henry imposed fines totaling $1,100 against Lafayette, ordered the two coaches removed from the coaching staff, reprimanded Lafayette's head soccer coach, placed the school on probation for one year, and ordered that Lafayette forfeit its match against Jesuit. Commissioner Henry also ordered that Lafayette "determine if either of these illegal coaches performed coaching duties in any other boys' soccer interscholastic matches during the 2005-2006 season and if so, report" to the LHSAA the opponent, the date, and the outcome of the game. Lafayette is appealing Commissioner Henry's ruling to the LHSAA's executive committee, which is comprised of 21 principals from schools throughout the state. The hearing is scheduled to take place in a telephone conference call Friday at 1 p.m and a decision is expected immediately.
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Post by mark18 on Feb 23, 2006 23:50:50 GMT -6
To respond to something i posted earlier this evening. I am not blaming the Lafayette players at all. What I am saying is, as players for my high school, I have the right to demand that my administration is above reproach concerning the eligibility of all players and coaches. A parent can be the interface to make sure all i's are dotted and t's are crossed. The athletes shouldn't have to do this but wouldn't this have been so much better to have been decided before district play even began rather than now. The kids deserve no less, all I am saying is don't blindly assume that everything is OK. Another life lesson to be learned - Only through your own oversight and diligence will things be taken care of. If you blindly assume that "its all taken care of", well you what happens when you assume something ...
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Post by legend06 on Feb 23, 2006 23:56:26 GMT -6
Why is Jesuit already saying that they will have a game when they know that Lafayette is going to file a appeal?
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Post by reccos110 on Feb 24, 2006 0:02:13 GMT -6
Somehow I don't see many players or parents questioning a coach or asst. coach about their eligibility to coach. High School kids wanting to play soccer (especially in competitive districts) just want to play. They are not going to ask a coach if he has all the necessary paperwork to coach. Please remember we are talking about teenagers wanting to play soccer. Not too many will be "demanding" anything of any coach if they want to play!
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Post by superstar on Feb 24, 2006 0:18:54 GMT -6
this is the worst possible way that they could end their season. i cant even begin to think of what i'd do if i was one of the 17 seniors
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Post by mark18 on Feb 24, 2006 0:44:22 GMT -6
What I am saying reccos 110 is this: If the school administration is new/uncertain about the rules etc. then someone associated with the program has to step in. This could be calling another school in the district for clarification, a parent who is familiar with LHSAA rules or if it comes down to it if I am one of those 17 seniors, yes I have to bring it to someone's attention that there could be a problem. And to answer your query Superstar, I would tell those seniors that all they need to remember is the feeling they had when that whistle blew and the scoreboard said Lafayette 2 - Jesuit 1. You cherish that and you'll know that this season was "worth" it whether you go in the record books or not.
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Post by rocksccrstar on Feb 24, 2006 0:53:23 GMT -6
This situation seems like a "perfect storm" effect. Too many things converging on a situtation.
First, it is my opinion that numerous principals and ADs do not know enough about soccer to be truly knowledgeable about events that occur regularly in soccer matches.
Secondly and unfortunately soccer is still a secondary sport and very low on the totem pole at most schools. Attention to detail is left to the coaches a lot of the time when in fact the AD should be on knowledgeable of the rules for all sports that a school participates in and aware of who is qualified to coach a team under his administration, not the coach.
Thirdly the administration of the LHSAA has proven in the past that they are not always as supportive of soccer. It has been an official sport for 20 years and there is still not a coaching organization recognized by the LHSAA nor is their an all-star game, etc. etc.
In addition a unique situation occurred in that a player tried to press charges against a ref. I think that this, while it shouldn't, is causing a negative reaction amongst the powers that be.
It is almost like an "embarassing situation" occurred in high school athletics and someone must pay. At least that is how it seems.
And all of these things seem to be converging on this innocent kids.
This illustrates the problem with high school sports: Adult involvement. If it is positive it creates great opportunites for the kids but when it is negative, things like this happen.
We have seen it before, coaches getting dismissed for no reason, players being "penalized" because of the mistakes made by an adult, or kids losing their "love" for the game because and adult makes their experience miserable.
I have to commend those who make this a postive experience for the kids and unfortunately for LHS they will probably suffer because of the mistake they did not commit nor were they responsible for.
I understand that rules are made for a reason but these are kids and the decisions we adults make can affect them greatly.
Let LHS play!! The proved themselves on the field. They didn't win with an ineligible player and I am almost positive that their season would have played out the same way whether that coach was on the sidelines or not.
There!
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Post by hsplaya on Feb 24, 2006 1:23:47 GMT -6
I totally agree TOEPOKER......everyone at lafayette high including foreman who I heard at the Carencro/Acadiana game say it was not a foul.... that was a bogus call and everyone knows it....you don't think the Janet Jackson halftime show had something to do with the outcome...you are crazy.....that had everything to do with it and the call was horrendous....regardless of what the result was is the fact that LHS...got a call which allowed them back into the game...up until that point they had not finished one single opportunity on goal and Jesuit had similar opportunities at their end....I hope that justice is served either way and that lessons are learned regardless.....rayborn your best bet is too just keep quiet until the results of the decision are determined because I think you are digging your own grave.....If the game is about the players then maybe the coach should not have acted the way he did....he should have taken the goal in stride and made adjustments so that his team could present itself with the opportunity to win the match but rather he chose to insult and threaten the ref because of a judgment call....referees regardless of knowledge or experience do not dictate the outcome of games.....players do and Rayborn should have had the experience to understand that the game is about LHS and not Rayborn....but obviously his actions and antics have caused crisis at LHS because he put himself before the team....
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Post by ronaldo11 on Feb 24, 2006 6:25:36 GMT -6
Politics??? Police??? Law??? Courts??? Press??? Threats???
Soccer should always be the winner...so.......
Why not just have a rematch?? If Lafayette won the first game, surely they can do it again if they think they're good enough! If Jesuit really believe their claims that they are the better team, then obviously they wont mind a replay. Lets forget politics, lets forget police, lets forget all this rubbish.....this is silly.
In regards to this 'coach on the sideline'...... If the AD knew that the coach in question did not have proper LHSAA qualifications; then thats just careless and I do not think they have a platform on which they can argue. However, if the AD did not know, then I do not think that the whole programme should be punished. The only reason im bringing this up is that I cant understand why one person would/could put a whole programme in jeopardy because all that needs to be done to get a CECP licence is - sit in a 2-3 hour lecture which raises interesting aspects of coaching (for all sports)...and then you have almost 2-3 weeks (i think) to complete an OPEN-BOOK test, which is designed to let you stumble across loads of different rules set by the LHSAA. Thats it! Simple! I do agree with those who have said that rules are rules. If rules state that all coaches must have CECP qualifications, then thats that. Its simple.
Wow, there I am falling into the trap of politics..... but lets not allow politics to decide who goes through. LHSAA, I call for you to show that your love for the game is paramount. Lets have a rematch; neutral ground if necessary (perhaps not), top refereeing officials who can deal with these games (preferably from louisiana, not from california - i read that somewhere, ignore me if thats wrong), police presence at the ground to ensure nothing stupid will happen....
A team must advance due to soccer, as long as they adhere to the rules set by the governing body!
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Post by soccerbudds on Feb 24, 2006 6:34:35 GMT -6
If Jesuit had any nads, they would refuse to play the game. Or give FHS a forfeit. Our team lost a heartbreaker this past week. We got beat on the field. If this was our team in this situation, I would show support to the disqualified team by not taking the game. Your team is advancing on a technicality, not by beating the other team. Jesuit, please show some class in this. Our sport is looked down on enough by too many administrations and coaches. Let us show that our sport is above this. If Jesuit makes the finals this way, I'll will not go to the game.
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Post by ronaldo11 on Feb 24, 2006 6:48:34 GMT -6
That's the whole reason for beig a certified coach so you know the rules. So you think all the coaches out there know every rule in the handbook. There are so many technicalities. All coaches know the rules? Perhaps not...but all responsible coaches consult the handbook if and whenever they are not sure about something. The handbook is written so that you can easily find rules on whatever you're looking for. Do i think all the things in there benefit soccer? Probably not...but those are the rules and those rules must be adhered to! Well played GrifFan......i think takeitdowntown1 has now vacated the WARNING VIRUS.
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Post by reccos110 on Feb 24, 2006 6:55:53 GMT -6
If you look on the Lafayette Parish School Board web site, there is no athletic director, he is a supervisor. They are not the same. This guy is not that interested in soccer. Also, I am pretty sure in Laf. Parish, the high school soccer teams are not financially supported by any money from the school board or high schools. At LHS the soccer teams are club sports, I believe.
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Post by on Feb 24, 2006 9:13:15 GMT -6
I am not Lafayette or Jesuit fan and I was not at the game. However, I would like to add a few things about rules,forfeits,punishments... I agree with all of you that punishing LHS players is bad,and also with those of you who wrote that rules have to be followed. Those of you who know international soccer may remember that back in the 80ties all of the english clubs were banned from any UEFA club competitions for five years because of Liverpool supporters and what they did before the Champions League final against Juventus. In the past year or two Roma and Inter had to forfeit their games because of their fans and then play their home games away or without any supportes watching them. Teams are loosing milions of dollars because of that but rules are rules and they are there for a reason. Things like that happen every year,with huge clubs with milions of supportes and financial and political power. So in our case here if LHS did not follow the rules it is a normal thing to forfeit and Jesuit to move on and play in the semis. There are a lots of stupid rules in LA high school soccer but what can we do. I don't understand why the outcome of LHS-Jesuit game will be decided by 21 high school principals,many of whom has not seen a soccer ball in their life.
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