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Post by ronaldo11 on Feb 24, 2006 9:27:49 GMT -6
Baggio, as we're talking about america, lets settle it on penalties
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Post by hdkjga on Feb 24, 2006 9:30:18 GMT -6
I don't think you can compare highschool to college or pros......when teams are made to forfeit in pros, the club hurts (they lose money, home games, etc.), when the NCAA comes down on a college, the college hurts (lose money, scholarships, etc.)......When you drop the same penalty on a highschool program.....the school doesn't hurt, the players are the only ones who do. (the AD will still be there taking care of football, baseball, etc....the principal will continue doig his stuff, the coaches will be back next year......the players are ripped from something the have worked their butts off the last 4 months.
This decision only hurts the players, not the school. That's why the penalty needs to be adjusted to get at the school. Players have enough to worry about with keepeing grades up, practices, other school clubs, etc. than to have to go back and properly make sure the coaches, AD, LHSAA has all their paperwork.....
The punishment doesn't fit the crime. If someone jaywalks you don't give them 25 years in prison.
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Post by mctalkstomuch on Feb 24, 2006 9:36:59 GMT -6
If anyone should be blamed for this it is the Athletic Director. At my school If you are not associated with the school or a college scout, in no way are you allowed around the team. Period. Lafayette had a great year but a rule was broken Bottom Line. If it was opposite you Lafayette would be more than happen to move on in the playoffs.
For the people saying it will be tainted the state finals will still be played on a field , Lafayette Just will not be on that field.
The School should have been more aware, the blame is one the school, Not the players, But the coach and the school.
I do feel sorry about the decision and I do think lafayette is the better team, but they did not play by the rules so they are out. I play at a University that is on suspension right now, becasue the last head coach would treat them to lunch before the games so that they would eat right. We were supposed to be in the playoffs that year and well you know the rest.
But at every level there are rules and consequices, if you do not like them start a petition and make sure it never happens again. To any team.
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Post by soccerbudds on Feb 24, 2006 9:45:05 GMT -6
If the rules were broken, then disqualify Lafayette. But, why does Jesuit get the benefit here. That is the crime. Lafyette is not district champions then. The brackets would have been totally different. Jesuit does not deserve this break. I was at the game. The kid was off side, and the way the player tried to argue the foal did not seem excessive. This game was finished on the field with a wonderfully played game by both teams. FHS moves on with a bye.
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Post by ithappens on Feb 24, 2006 9:50:39 GMT -6
Indeed, the district championships would revise the playoff brackets in which certain teams could "still be in" the solution should by FHS bye.
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Post by observer on Feb 24, 2006 9:55:24 GMT -6
In Lafayette Parish, the only support athletic teams get is with facilities and this includes football. All monies are raised by booster clubs for all expenses except those associated with facilities(electricity,water,restrooms,etc. ) Lafayette Parish has a Athletioc Director and each school has a Athletic Director. The LHS AD has the ultimate responsibility for insuring that each and every rule is followed. The sad fact is that this could have been easily prevented.
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Post by Bish on Feb 24, 2006 10:00:24 GMT -6
I am not Lafayette or Jesuit fan and I was not at the game. However, I would like to add a few things about rules,forfeits,punishments... I agree with all of you that punishing LHS players is bad,and also with those of you who wrote that rules have to be followed. Those of you who know international soccer may remember that back in the 80ties all of the English clubs were banned from any UEFA club competitions for five years because of Liverpool supporters and what they did before the Champions League final against Juventus. In the past year or two Roma and Inter had to forfeit their games because of their fans and then play their home games away or without any supportes watching them. Teams are loosing milions of dollars because of that but rules are rules and they are there for a reason. Things like that happen every year,with huge clubs with milions of supportes and financial and political power. So in our case here if LHS did not follow the rules it is a normal thing to forfeit and Jesuit to move on and play in the semis. There are a lots of stupid rules in LA high school soccer but what can we do. I don't understand why the outcome of LHS-Jesuit game will be decided by 21 high school principals,many of whom has not seen a soccer ball in their life. I don't think unruly fans creating a safety issue can really be applied to this situation. They aren't breaking any rules of the game, just making it unsafe to play. This is a little different. Decisions to forfeit those games can't be compared to forfeiture because of an ineligible assistant coach.
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Post by Bish on Feb 24, 2006 10:03:14 GMT -6
This decision only hurts the players, not the school. The school does have to pay a hefty fine. So they are hurt as well.
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Post by on Feb 24, 2006 10:37:02 GMT -6
Fans are part of the game,there are rules about them also,as well as rules for players,coaches,oficials and everyrthing else. Every time you brake any of them you have to face the consequences. This game was forfeited because of ineligible assistant coach but hundreds of games were forfeited because of ineligible players or something else,so it is pretty much the same.
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Post by McScruff on Feb 24, 2006 10:38:39 GMT -6
your car has a brake...you break rules.
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Post by ole5 on Feb 24, 2006 10:49:09 GMT -6
I think this whole thing is blown out of proportion. HES NOT EVEN THE HEAD COACH! He was just an assistant coach. Yeah they made a mistake but i mean give me a break. Its a very small mistake that everyone is making into a big one. Not to mention the guy is in a 4 yr college taking the courses to become a coach. And from what i read somewhere, if your doing that and you get approval from the principal and guided by the head coach, you can be a legal assistant coach. Too me its not worth taking away a shot at the STATE TITLE! Those things live with you for the rest of your life, and to take that away from these kids over something so small is pointless.
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Post by McScruff on Feb 24, 2006 10:51:40 GMT -6
Are you sure they even made a mistake in the first place?
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Post by Bish on Feb 24, 2006 10:52:36 GMT -6
your care has a brake...you break rules. *Car Baggio, an inelligble coach is not nearly as significant as an inelligble player. It's not the same thing. Please show me where FIFA has rules about fan conduct.
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Post by McScruff on Feb 24, 2006 10:53:23 GMT -6
haha...touche, Bish.
The lesson as always, I'm the biggest idiot on the board.
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Post by Mung on Feb 24, 2006 10:53:30 GMT -6
LHS won this game on the field, used no illegal players, and the "coach/trainer" provides no real advantage during the game. The only fair outcome here is to let LHS play the next game.
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Post by Bish on Feb 24, 2006 10:59:27 GMT -6
LHS won this game on the field, used no illegal players, and the "coach/trainer" provides no real advantage during the game. The only fair outcome here is to let LHS play the next game. One could argue that this coach helped train the team to get them to where they are now, and how well they play on the field.
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Post by L4S on Feb 24, 2006 11:01:09 GMT -6
didn't this happen to Ben Franklin a few years back in DII playoffs?
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Post by ole5 on Feb 24, 2006 11:02:21 GMT -6
plus if you think about it...if you kick Lafayette out.. not only do they get a bad deal out of all of this but so does every other team in dI besides JESUIT. If you take Lafayette out of the playoffs..the whole bracket would be made differently because there wouldnt be a number one seed playing from that district. So St. Amant may not have had to play Fountainebleau and Catholic wouldnt have played Lafayette. Its ridiculous. The state champs wouldnt be the real state champs. Dont get me wrong. The teams that made it this far deserve it but the playoffs would have been WAY different.
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Post by McScruff on Feb 24, 2006 11:03:17 GMT -6
Bish:
A) I don't think it has been clearly proven that a violation was, in fact, broken. B) I don't think the rules say anything about non-certified coaches training the team, only about having a presence on the sideline during games.
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Post by L4S on Feb 24, 2006 11:05:00 GMT -6
Hey alleyball, if you're so smart, why don't you learn the difference between right and write? how did he misuse the word write? his post reads OK on my screen.
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