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Post by Boomer on Mar 1, 2014 19:45:14 GMT -6
What'tha...? Sir, I believe you may have a problem. When Mr. Malinich posted that unfortunate comment about "home country," it was IMMEDIATELY pointed out that was a misnomer. But some cannot seem to lose the mind set that those students are anything but Americans.
Someone also wrote that the person who first noted the U-S-A chant is responsible for all the name calling. Well sir, I'm the one who originally posted about it, but am not the one who started the chant. It was a bunch of teenaged punks who started that chant and however people want to dismiss it, it did not reflect well on the school or fans. Was it a reflection of the principles of the school or church? No one believes that and to say that is ignorant nonsense. Fortunately the chant was stopped and not repeated after the second go-around... I like to think some adults intervened.
I suggest to everyone ... quit defending this type thing by saying it was justified by something else. It wasn't. I also suggest reading the "fan behavior" line. And... just let it go and learn something from it. Perhaps all student "fans" who delight in such behavior across the State will learn something.
Dang it!! it is time for adult supervision in the stands,... and that means supervision of parents too. Principals are supposed to be held accountable.. read the LHSAA sportsmanship section. Baseball is totally out of control with racistist, disgusting personally directed insults. Time to squash it in soccer.
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Post by p_malinich on Mar 1, 2014 20:29:05 GMT -6
What'tha...? Sir, I believe you may have a problem. When Mr. Malinich posted that unfortunate comment about "home country," it was IMMEDIATELY pointed out that was a misnomer. But some cannot seem to lose the mind set that those students are anything but Americans.
Correct. I apparently misinterpreted what was written on an event page on Facebook. I never intended it to be a dig. I love the respect of one's roots. I still cheer for the various country changes of my roots (my grandmother came to USA when she was 18). I also proudly cheer for USA in World Cup-type atmospheres.
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Post by happyjack on Mar 1, 2014 22:30:22 GMT -6
St Paul's also has about five paid coaches and closer to 100 than 50 players in their program. Their classless fans who chanted USA also probably helped certain priests stay in the pulpit. Don't throw rocks from your glass house. The vulgar chant from the Grace King supporters should be considered much more "classless" and "disgusting" than a chant of USA. SPS did the same chant against Jesuit, Capt. Shreve and a few other games during the season. So why is it now a problem? If your not condemning both chants, then don't say anything at all. The hypocrisy from your post is deafening.
As to your assertion of an immoral relationship between the students and the "Brothers" at St. Paul's is absurd. To be upset at some students chanting something you perceive to be disrespectful is one thing, but to then jump to the correlation of lascivious behavior between students and Brothers is nothing less than appalling. The only thing in your arsenal seems to be cheap salacious statements.
I attended the captain Shreveport match and there were no chants of USA that I recall. I have asked several others who attended the match, some sitting near me, some not. None recall any chants of USA. I also attended at least 5 other St. Paul matches during the season and their tournament, never recall hearing it at those either.
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Post by Scott Crawford on Mar 1, 2014 22:41:29 GMT -6
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Post by steveg on Mar 1, 2014 23:11:50 GMT -6
The field at Tad Gormley is inadequate for soccer in my opinion. The seats are to far from the field. The field is way too narrow, 60 yards by my measurement on Googlearth, the track comes almost up to the sideline. The artificial surface is not great for soccer either in my opinion. It changes the game negatively.
As for the LHSAA if you read these forums I believe you really need to rethink how you run a state tournament. Holding state championships at 5 pm on a Friday is poor. We couldn't make it in time, only got to see the 2nd half of the girls match. Why not Saturday? I know it's Mardi Gras, but come on, it's unfair to fans who, you know, have jobs! And don't get me started on holding state championship games on a Wednesday and Thursday night like you did this year. A state I used to coach in held 4 state championship games on Saturday. Great crowds, a great day of watching soccer.
And for goodness sakes, no ball boys/girls for a state championship game? Really?
Congrats too to St. Paul and Grace King, I sat where the Grace King fans filled in all around me and they were great fun to be around for a soccer match, kind of had an international feel to it.
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Post by smallsidedlife on Mar 2, 2014 10:01:11 GMT -6
Congrats to St Pauls they were clearly head and shoulders better. Great run by King. Second year in a row though I have to say the St Paul kids could be a little better behaved nobody was throwing anything this year into the other group but I thought the cheering USA was tasteless. I was very impressed with the St Paul players the skill and speed particularly up top was a complete mismatch. The kid in the back with the big throw in is also a very nice defender and a real weapon on throw ins. Clearly no 1 this year. Mandeville club nice work The kid in the back with the big throw is Grant Hebert. A real unsung hero for the team with a blue collar attitude for the game. Great utility player for the Wolves who steps in to play any position that is needed. He is/was a CYSA player along with the other outside back. There are quite a few other CYSA players on the team. Congrats to St Pauls,.. they were a team that improved during the season. I saw the Jesuit semi game and they were not the same team that I saw at the beginning of the season or at the The SPS Invitational at Christmas. Congrats to the Boys and the Coaches at Grace King. It appears that they had a great run to the finals.
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Post by oranje on Mar 2, 2014 13:45:37 GMT -6
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Post by quepasa on Mar 3, 2014 8:17:26 GMT -6
Tad Gormley is horrible. Being so far away from the field is unacceptable with Pan-Am down the street. As for Saturday, it would have been a nightmare. This years Finals should have been played elsewhere (SLU has a nice 7k seater that is marked for soccer.). As for the USA chants, no doubt some jerks from the SPS student body were chanting USA as a way to be divisive. You would be hard pressed to find a school without a handful of jerks. Both teams are winners but only SPS is the champ. The USA chanters are losers.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2014 8:57:30 GMT -6
Watched the game online. St. Paul's proved they are the dominant team in the state. (In any division.) GK essentially had the same problem Shreve did against St. Paul's. Not being able to fully involve their top players.
Grace King had a great season and should be proud.
As for the players club affiliations, I don't think it matters much. The players are responsible for their playing ability...not their clubs.
Regarding the chants, not much needs to be said. Student cheering sections are always going to tout their perceived advantages/superiority. Not condoning it. But it is what it is.
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Post by Boomer on Mar 3, 2014 9:31:38 GMT -6
I agree with Hall. I am pretty familiar with GK, but had not seen St. Paul's this year. I came away impressed... not with individual skills but with the methodical team play.
The little things stood out big...runs on a diagonal at right angle to diagonal pass - sometimes a dual run - ... keeper out-passes perfect to back who had opened out like the start of a fast break in basketball.. defensive marking that handed off smoothly.. quick shots put on-goal when opening presented. Grace King did put the defense under some presssure at times but it was usually an individual effort mostly. After the first 15 mins, StP controlled midfield the rest of the game.
These things transcend skills and must be developed within a team. Lots, most, teams never get this communication level. It is specific amd not necessarily transferable. I was very impressed with the professionalism of the keeper play interacting with the back line. The requires the most discipline and it was near perfect.
As far as club soccer goes... well ... fine... if parents and players think club soccer is the bees knees, fine. But I ask you... will there be a 50th reunion of your club team? Question - who won the Louisiana club championship two years ago? Do you care?
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Post by wm2014 on Mar 3, 2014 9:34:12 GMT -6
I agree with Hall. I am pretty familiar with GK, but had not seen St. Paul's this year. I came away impressed... not with individual skills but with the methodical team play. The little things stood out big...runs on a diagonal at right angle to diagonal pass - sometimes a dual run - ... keeper out-passes perfect to back who had opened out like the start of a fast break in basketball.. defensive marking that handed off smoothly.. quick shots put on-goal when opening presented. Grace King did put the defense under some presssure at times but it was usually an individual effort mostly. After the first 15 mins, StP controlled midfield the rest of the game. These things transcend skills and must be developed within a team. Lots, most, teams never get this communication level. It is specific amd not necessarily transferable. As far as club soccer goes... well ... fine... if parents and players think club soccer is the bees knees, fine. But I ask you... will there be a 50th reunion of your club team? Question - who won the Louisiana club championship two years ago? Do you care? Love it... Good stuff
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Post by playwide on Mar 3, 2014 10:00:39 GMT -6
How many College Coaches did you see at the LHSAA State Championship week? Now before you go saying, well I saw the Coach from La SE, LA SW, LA NE,...I'm talking major college coaches.....how many?
This weekend Club Teams reform to attend FC Dallas Showcase where there will be 200 college coaches attending games this week.
You can make it sound like Club isn't all that, but when you start looking at the rosters for the the RPL teams and Club State Champions, you realize that most of the best players in high school are in top club teams.
Any of the MVP players from State Championship week not play club?
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Post by Boomer on Mar 3, 2014 10:49:04 GMT -6
Well... do any of the top high school baseball players not play American Legion summer ball? I'm not running down club soccer, I am downgrading its importance in the larger scheme... of life.
Rummel baseball team masquarading as an American Legion team "Nationwide Restoration" (now affiliated with Deanie's Seafood) won the national championship a few years ago. In 2012, Jesuit baseball, aka "Retif Oil," won the Amercan Legion National Championship. Great achievemnet!... but, so what... except for a very few baseball junkies?
I played college soccer back in the dark ages when it was part-time and fun. Now, college sports aren't fun ... and if someone thinks that playing high school sports is for the purpose of getting a college ride, I recommend sticking with football. Title 9 insures few colleges play men's soccer, scholorships are split into quarters like in track, and you might not necessarily prefer a degree from those schools that play men's soccer over a degree from those that don't.
I occasionally am involved with a "mentorship" of high school students, and get questions from high school soccer players when they see my resume. I advise them ... go to college at a good school and study something that will enhance your future ... play adult club soccer on the side if you want to play soccer, or get your refs license and earn a little spending money on the side.
Nothing against club soccer and like American Legion baseball, it is probably important. My point is ... what will you remember 50 years from now... your high school team or your club team?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2014 11:17:42 GMT -6
Well... do any of the top high school baseball players not play American Legion summer ball? I'm not running down club soccer, I am downgrading its importance in the larger scheme... of life. Rummel baseball team masquarading as an American Legion team "Nationwide Restoration" (now affiliated with Deanie's Seafood) won the national championship a few years ago. In 2012, Jesuit baseball, aka "Retif Oil," won the Amercan Legion National Championship. Great achievemnet!... but, so what... except for a very few baseball junkies? I played college soccer back in the dark ages when it was part-time and fun. Now, college sports aren't fun ... and if someone thinks that playing high school sports is for the purpose of getting a college ride, I recommend sticking with football. Title 9 insures few colleges play men's soccer, scholorships are split into quarters like in track, and you might not necessarily prefer a degree from those schools that play men's soccer over a degree from those that don't. I occasionally am involved with a "mentorship" of high school students, and get questions from high school soccer players when they see my resume. I advise them ... go to college at a good school and study something that will enhance your future ... play adult club soccer on the side if you want to play soccer, or get your refs license and earn a little spending money on the side. Nothing against club soccer and like American Legion baseball, it is probably important. My point is ... what will you remember 50 years from now... your high school team or your club team? Good points Boomer.
Although, two points regarding college soccer.
First, with some diligence and an open mind, a player can get the degree in their chosen field AND play a high level of soccer in college. it just may mean playing at a d2, d3 or naia school. There's a fit for the majority of players.
Second, I think a lot of student athletes will remember their college experience (both as a player and a student) as fondly or even more so than their high school experience.
Of course, it depends on the relative 'experience' of the individual.
Even with Title IX, there are over 1200 institutions of higher learning that offer mens college soccer in this country.
So, there are options available.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2014 11:22:56 GMT -6
I've always ssaid that club soccer develops players (if only as an added competitive venue)...while hs soccer provides the individual attention, glory and bragging rights.
How many top basketball players don't also play AAU? Same with baseball? Or volleyball and softball on the girls side?
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Post by areyouserious on Mar 3, 2014 11:26:09 GMT -6
Well... do any of the top high school baseball players not play American Legion summer ball? I'm not running down club soccer, I am downgrading its importance in the larger scheme... of life. Rummel baseball team masquarading as an American Legion team "Nationwide Restoration" (now affiliated with Deanie's Seafood) won the national championship a few years ago. In 2012, Jesuit baseball, aka "Retif Oil," won the Amercan Legion National Championship. Great achievemnet!... but, so what... except for a very few baseball junkies? I played college soccer back in the dark ages when it was part-time and fun. Now, college sports aren't fun ... and if someone thinks that playing high school sports is for the purpose of getting a college ride, I recommend sticking with football. Title 9 insures few colleges play men's soccer, scholorships are split into quarters like in track, and you might not necessarily prefer a degree from those schools that play men's soccer over a degree from those that don't. I occasionally am involved with a "mentorship" of high school students, and get questions from high school soccer players when they see my resume. I advise them ... go to college at a good school and study something that will enhance your future ... play adult club soccer on the side if you want to play soccer, or get your refs license and earn a little spending money on the side. Nothing against club soccer and like American Legion baseball, it is probably important. My point is ... what will you remember 50 years from now... your high school team or your club team? Sir, I wholeheartedly disagree with most you have mentioned in your last post, except the wonderful memories that go along from a packed high school match, playoffs, state championship title, etc. Why are you referencing baseball in these threads? Its irrelevant to this sport, & somewhat of a disrespectful remark to those that have trained in club their entire soccer careers. Are you absolutely convinced that the state's top players would be where they are without club's training/traveling/competition? If so, you may want to consider relinquishing your access to this site. And your ignorant reference to adult club ball in college? I challenge you to have that discussion with Pat Mullins' parents, & any other player that attends some of the Nation's top colleges, who also have some of the best soccer programs available. Surf Cup, Dallas Cup, Disney, & on & on & on. Our top players have all been to these tournaments & have come away better players for it. College soccer not fun. Maybe not 50 years ago. Take a poll, sir, with those that are fortunate enough to see time on the pitch. Inaccurate post in so many ways, its quite infuriating. I digress; Agree with two comments. This sport needs more conditioned, well seasoned officials. That hinders this great game more often than not. My tirade is finished, for now.
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Post by Boomer on Mar 3, 2014 12:06:43 GMT -6
areyouserious ... I think you might have missed my point(s) ...
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Post by quepasa on Mar 3, 2014 12:35:37 GMT -6
FYI, the starters on the Retif Oil championship team were almost all Jesuit graduates. Only one or two current students (then) contributed. .... Club and high school are completely different situations. I believe if you were to poll club players in Louisiana on what is more coveted, an LSA state cup championship or an LHSAA championship the vast majority, if not 100%, would say LHSAA championship. That being said, club is much more challenging across the board. Almost every match is competitive. For the top HS soccer teams maybe 30% of their matches are competitive.
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Post by wm2014 on Mar 3, 2014 12:49:43 GMT -6
areyouserious ... I think you might have missed my point(s) ... Yes... Missed it
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Post by oranje on Mar 3, 2014 19:57:54 GMT -6
If you want atmosphere, attend a H.S soccer game. Nothing beats it, period! On average 200-300 people attend H.S soccer games, maybe 50 on average club games. H.S soccer has a student section, club soccer has siblings and maybe grandparents on a good day. I love H.S soccer because of the student section atmosphere!
When drawing a comparison between H.S soccer and club, it should be between LSA premier C1 and even C2, not Rec. H.S soccer is more like Rec+ at the highest levels. If you want to see good soccer, attend a club premier/C1 soccer [USYSA RPL/SPL] game - top flight youth US soccer. Club C1/C2 are the feeder programs to the local high schools - that's the common denominator. These are programs starting at u10 with trained [sometimes licensed] coaches - that's where soccer players are made. Soccer is unlike US football, any athlete [besides QB] can play football at anytime in H.S, same principle doesn't apply to soccer. In summary, if you want atmosphere, attend a top H.S soccer game, if you want to see quality soccer - attend a C1/C2 game.
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