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Post by defencerules on Feb 18, 2004 7:54:20 GMT -6
for all you members that are refs:
where can i get a copy of the rules of the game as they are applied to lhsaa games. the lhsaa site does not have them. i have e-mailed lhsaa, but lhsaa has never resonded to any e-mail i have sent.
in particular, i am looking for what "special" rules or changes to fifa rules are applied by lhsaa. when (club) teams attend tournaments, the tournament web site or brochure always has an explanation of any special rules that apply. usually they limit themselves to changes in game times, substitutions, and tiebreakers.
with every high school game i've attended, i always hear weird calls or seemingly blown calls explained as "its a high school rule." why does lhsaa feel a need to alter some of the fundamental rules of soccer?
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Post by ShreveDad on Feb 18, 2004 8:53:55 GMT -6
I will start with the main differences and add to this as I can during the day.
Red Cards - FIFA - red and you sit and play a man down. High School - straight red - sit and play a man down. Yellow - Red - sit but substitute for the player.
Coin Toss - FIFA - winner picks goal to defend. High School - winner gets choice between goal to defend or they can take the ball.
Substitution - FIFA - sub when your team has ball on throw in. High School - both teams can sub on throwin if team that has ball is subbing. High School - team with ball on Corner kick can sub.
Laws that govern fouls are the same!!!!
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Post by bouree on Feb 18, 2004 9:17:25 GMT -6
To continue... Throw ins-If the ball does not go in, it reverts to the other team. Taunting-Straight red but player can be substituted. I don't know where you can get a rule book, but I have an old one you can have...
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Post by ShreveDad on Feb 18, 2004 9:24:52 GMT -6
This is who puts out the rule book: National Federation of State High School Associations PO Box 690 Indianapolis, IN 46206 317-972-6900 www.nfhs.org
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Post by defencerules on Feb 18, 2004 12:38:14 GMT -6
all i found at the site was a summary of rule changes for the coming year and interpretations of certain rules, not a complete set of the laws of the game.
one of the questions i have arose from the franklin/salmen game:
after the franklin goalie punted the ball, almost a minute later the center ref blew the whistle and consulted with the ar, who apparantly had his flag up. after some discussion, both with the ar and members of both teams, a free kick was awarded to salmen just outside the box. the word spread in the stands that the keeper had crossed out of the box with the ball.
after the game, some of the franklin players stated that the goalie, who punts with a drop kick, complained to the ref that he had not not crossed out of the box. the ref told the goalie that he had not crossed out of the box with the bal in his hands, but had "dropped the ball" out of the box before kicking it.
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Post by defencerules on Feb 18, 2004 12:39:41 GMT -6
excuse me: "dropped"
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Post by defencerules on Feb 18, 2004 12:40:38 GMT -6
don't know why that was heppening. dropped (without the smiley)
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Post by soccerref83 on Feb 18, 2004 12:52:40 GMT -6
The answer there lies in whether or not he carried the ball over the line in the process of 'dropping' the ball to punt it. If it was still in his possession and he brought the ball FULLY outside the 18 (not ON the line), then yes, there should be a direct free kick awarded for handling. The question then arises as to whether or not the offense was trifling enough to warrant being called in the first place. Not being at the game personally, I can't say one way or the other.
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Post by defencerules on Feb 18, 2004 13:20:40 GMT -6
the players i heard talking were specific that the ref said the kepper himelf did not leave the box. if so how could dropping the ball outside the box, then kicking it, be any different than rolling the ball out, and then dribbling up the field?
this is, of course, based on what i heard players talking about what they said they heard the ref say.
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Post by Bish on Feb 18, 2004 14:23:25 GMT -6
To continue... Taunting-Straight red but player can be substituted. I don't know where you can get a rule book, but I have an old one you can have... Taunting, the last time I checked, was a straight yellow-red.
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Post by bouree on Feb 18, 2004 15:31:03 GMT -6
Well, ok Catfish. I stand corrected. The ref must show the yellow along with the red. As refs, we hate to classify anything as a soft red. To us, a red is a red, but for NFSH, the player is shown the red along with the yellow and is disqualified from the match, but can be substituted. Execessive celebration can result in the same disqualification. BTW, taunting is defined as "Use of word or act to incite or degrade an oposing player, coach, referee or other individual."
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Post by ShreveDad on Feb 18, 2004 15:51:55 GMT -6
As far as keepers and hand balls. If the whole of the ball goes over the penalty area line while in the hands of the keeper it is deemed to be handling the ball and a direct free kick will be awarded to the other team from that spot. Where the rest of the keepers body is located is meaningless .
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Post by Bish on Feb 18, 2004 15:58:42 GMT -6
I only know the taunting thing is because I was giving my only yellow-red one time for taunting. I laughed out of excitement when one of my teammates scored, and the ref threw me out.
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Post by bouree on Feb 18, 2004 16:06:36 GMT -6
Ouch, sorry, that sounds a little drastic...
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Post by m on Feb 18, 2004 17:16:56 GMT -6
all i found at the site was a summary of rule changes for the coming year and interpretations of certain rules, not a complete set of the laws of the game. You won't find a complete set of rules on the NFHS website, however they are available for purchase on their website if you're interested in getting a copy of the rule book.
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Post by Bish on Feb 18, 2004 17:34:49 GMT -6
What a ripoff. That's like paying to be able to know what's in the Constitution. I'm sure there are other websites that have the rules.
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Post by ShreveDad on Feb 18, 2004 20:37:08 GMT -6
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Post by m on Feb 18, 2004 20:42:33 GMT -6
I have searched for the high school rules and never could find a site with them. I think the only way would be if someone scanned the NFHS rule book and posted it online. I just broke down and bought a copy. It's a nice read.
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Post by ShreveDad on Feb 18, 2004 20:56:23 GMT -6
Here is a preview of some rule changes for next year. Big one is that both teams can now sub on corner kick if kicking team is subbing.
2004 Comments on the Rules - Soccer
1-4-1 — Goal post padding is now allowed for safety reasons. The padding must be a minimum of 72” high and have a maximum thickness of 1 inch.
3-3-3 — Substitutions are now allowed for either team during a corner kick if the team taking the kick is substituting. This change broadens the opportunity for players to enter the game enhancing participation.
3-3-4 — Injured players, whether attended to on the field or not, may be replaced or the team may elect to play shorthanded. Not all injured players require attention on the field. When it is necessary for an unattended injured player to leave the game, the team should not be denied a substitution opportunity.
4-1-1 — Shinguards must now be age and size appropriate. This further clarifies the need for players, coaches and officials to recognize the safety concerns of shin protection.
12-8-2(b) — The term “excessive celebration” has been replaced with a description of acts that would be considered inappropriate. Prolonged attention away from the game should be penalized.
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Post by defencerules on Feb 18, 2004 21:42:02 GMT -6
i like the one about age AND size appropriate shin guards. i guess some of those forwards will have to lose those 4" long guards (based on the rule interpretation, the shin guard can be no higher than 2" off the ankle, and must still cover at least half the shin)
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