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Post by 'Guest' on Sept 28, 2001 19:32:02 GMT -6
It is very sad that many high profile<BR>high schools (Mandeville to name one)<BR>do not have qualified coaches and the<BR>players are not all of a high caliber.<BR>Many players are rec players and it<BR>makes it very hard for a premier player<BR>to play in this atmosphere. It is great for the social aspect, but does do much<BR>for player development. Ask any of the<BR>qualified coaches and will agree that<BR>it's fun, but the level of true competition is not there, with exception<BR>of the top 3 or 4 programs in state.<BR>At a recent USYSA conference that I attended, a question the question was<BR>asked of the 6 panel college coaches<BR>(Duke,Indiana,Connecticutt,Santa Clara,<BR>St. Louis, and North Carolina) as to <BR>recruiting high school players. They<BR>all agreed that they do not attend<BR>high school games and they recruit and<BR>scout players at high profile tournaments (Dallas Cup, etc.) and at<BR>regional and national ODP events. The<BR>chance that a player plays high school<BR>soccer is just coincidental. In fact,<BR>they are fearful of injuries to a<BR>possible recruit.<BR>This leads to the fact that if you are<BR>college material (as a soccer player)<BR>many coaches would rather see you take<BR>the time to privately train and to <BR>additionally work on speed and strength.<BR>I'm not condemning high school soccer,<BR>but I hope to enlighten some of you as<BR>to what coaches are looking for.
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Post by 'Guest' on Sept 28, 2001 19:32:35 GMT -6
Yo, I don't know what you're gripping about. Bunch of whiney babies. boohoo! I play high school and club, both are fun. High School is not as talented as cclub, but let me tell you, club there's not enough heart. There just aint anyone who shows up to watch the games and you arent playing for your school. High school got heart. That's why I play. And about injuring, I been injured (broken bones) in club, but nothing serious in high school. I think you're just as likely to get hurt either way. High school keeps me in shape and I play for a real prize.
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Post by 'Guest' on Sept 28, 2001 19:33:05 GMT -6
I'm glad you had fun playing high school,but the point was about the value of high school soccer in relation to playing in college.Ignorance is bliss
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Post by 'Guest' on Sept 28, 2001 19:33:39 GMT -6
I don't hate high school. I just<BR>wish there was a better quality<BR>program starting with coaching.<BR>If you read the comments they were<BR>quoting some of the best college<BR>coaches in the country. This was<BR>their opinion, not mine. They, who<BR>are suppose to be knowlegeable, said<BR>that high school soccer was not were<BR>they found the best players or <BR>coaching.<BR>My comments were to informative not<BR>combative. I love soccer everywhere<BR>it is played, because it is a game<BR>for everyone and every age.
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Post by 'Guest' on Sept 28, 2001 19:34:05 GMT -6
I have to agree with the parent on this one. In high school soccer, the difference between the skilled and unskilled players is much greater than in premier soccer. Consequently, the less skilled players must resort to rougher and brutal play to try to make up for their lack of skill. I've played in district games against entire teams of players who go after the player instead of the ball. A friend of mine, a very good soccer player, tore a ligament in her neck as a result of one of these collisions and is still unable to play on her select team due to this injury. Don't get me wrong, I love high school soccer. It is so intense and involves so much pride, but with the lack of qualified referees to inforce safe play in high school soccer, it will continue to be a high risk for injuries for the very skilled players.
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Post by 'Guest' on Sept 28, 2001 19:34:30 GMT -6
I have heard college soccer coaches say that it IS VERY IMPORTANT to them that their recruits play in high school. How a player balances his commitment to his studies and to soccer is revealed in interveiwing the high school coach ,not the club coach. The club soccer coach does not know or care how his player balances his studies. It will always be true that the quality of club soccer will be better than that of high school. Club soccer teams are formed on the basis of the best players in an area; on the other hand,high school soccer teams must choose from who is in their school and limited by transfer rules.There are simply not enough good players to go around. If you care more about soccer than your education because you want to play pro soccer ,then maybe high school is a waste of time,but if you are like most and want to attend college AND play soccer then high school soccer is a better and more valid measurement of that experience than club soccer for both you and the college coach.
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Post by 'Guest' on Sept 28, 2001 19:34:55 GMT -6
All three of my sons have played high school soccer. Two won state championships and none were seriously injured. They all have played club soccer as well. There, they did have a few broken bones, but that's just part of the game. I do not like to see parents discourage their children from playing high school soccer. High school soccer is a great game that involves so much pride. My sons have thorougly enjoyed high school soccer, and I bet they would greatly regret not playing in high school. Let the kids decide. If they love soccer enough, let them play in high school. If you don't let them, they will never experience what it's like to play for their fellow students.
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Post by 'Guest' on Sept 28, 2001 19:35:25 GMT -6
Well said another parent.I feel the same as you here in South Carolina.
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Post by 'Guest' on Sept 28, 2001 19:35:55 GMT -6
I would have to agree with parent. HS soccer here in SC is NOT the place for skilled players who want to play in college. My daughter who plays on a State Championship Club team, a State Championship High School team, was named All Region the past two seasons and All State this past season has missed playing in the last two Regional tournaments and has spent all of her summer rehabbing from ACL reconstructive surgeries. How did this happen? As the leading scorer on her HS team she was "tackled" by players who will NEVER play after high school. Now her college career is in jeopardy because of this needless "hacking". Listen to the college coaches and concentrate on club, unless you play in a district where all the high school teams are staffed with club players. Otherwise you are taking a big chance, especially if you are a top quality player.
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Post by 'Guest' on Sept 28, 2001 19:36:20 GMT -6
That could happen in club soccer or a pick-up game as well as high school.Sorry it occured though.
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Post by 'Guest' on Sept 28, 2001 19:36:40 GMT -6
I tore my ACL also (during my senior season--and we won the championship)...but you don't hear me or my parents complaining. There are other things in life besides soccer. I think if someone wants to play high school soccer....they should be able to. What if that UNSKILLED player was YOUR DAUGHTER??? Would you tell her that she shouldn't play because she might hurt the "good" players?? NO!
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Post by 'Guest' on Sept 28, 2001 19:38:43 GMT -6
High school and club should coexist. A high school team could practice 3X/wk with two optional foe non club players and the club players could get in two practices /wk. The clubs would reserve a few weekends for the showcase tournaments at Thanksgiving, Christmas and Pres Day. The rest of the country plays soccer in the fall which leaves the college coaches free to go to the major tournaments in Nov-Apr and in the summer.This would allow the best LA soccer players to play HS and the college showcase tournaments.
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Post by dodson_3@yahoo.com on Oct 14, 2001 10:47:22 GMT -6
Has it occured to anyone that high school doesn't require as much money and that high level club soccer isn't available everywhere. I moved from Houma, LA to Natchitoches, LA and club soccer isn't available in a premeire form. It doesn't matter what team someone plays for, it matters how they play it. I led my team in goals last year and the people who just hack away are avoidable. They make you work harder. Just use the situation you have to make yourself better.
cheif
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Post by 'Guest' on Nov 7, 2001 12:29:07 GMT -6
Hmm, well injuries from non-talented players to talented players is a bad arguement to make in my opinion. Not all people who play recreational soccer are on a lesser level than those who play club soccer. Also, even in the highest level of soccer competition there are cheap shots taken. It is rather naieve to sterotype unskilled, less experienced soccer players as people who just play to make the lives of the taleneted soccer players miserable and full of pain. Since high-school soccer is based largely on the pride of your school, many players club or not will take extreme measures to ensure that their team wins. Yes, it may be better for talented players who have a chance to go big to concentrate on their skill instead of playing high school, but you can be hurt by cheap shots in any level of play by any player. In repetition of what was said in the above replies, highschool soccer may be a great experience in dealing with a rougher level of play. Experience with both skill and physical play could benefit any player in any contact sport. Injuries are part of the game really, you see many professional athletes in every sport playing with broken bones etc. These injuries are not made by walking from their car to their house. Anyway sorry about hte injuries that all the talented prospects recieved but things like that are going to happen sometimes even though it is frustrating.
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Post by SCC_16 on Nov 7, 2001 19:11:35 GMT -6
I havent seriously been hurt do to a cheap shot yet... I've fallen and kept playing or got the foul. When I tore my MCL (last spring) it was because another player and I kicked at the ball at the same time and hit the ball at the same time... the power of the collision tore my MCL... I was out for 8 weeks.
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Post by BooWah23@aol.com on Feb 21, 2002 17:23:45 GMT -6
ive broken my ankle in high school soccer. I think that you have something to play for in high school soccer.
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Post by MCK#18 on Feb 21, 2002 18:13:51 GMT -6
well i dont think its fair to say that only unskilled players play dirty. In fact i believe that a skilled player could hurt someone worse because they know what there doing... ive played agaisnt some very skilled teams and some players do play dirty no matter what.
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Post by asder@assdd.com on Feb 22, 2002 10:27:24 GMT -6
my theory is that better skilled players are use to a more physical style of game but still, a legal game. Then unskilled players can't handle the physical play and retaliate with cheap play.
I have been fouled in hard play by excellent teams. Its the not good teams that get cheap. then the better team sometimes will retaliate back, and thats when the game gets out of control.
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Post by guestguest4 on Jun 30, 2002 14:08:48 GMT -6
I have broken an ankle playing high school soccer. But I still play because I love the game. I play for an unskilled team. yet i have been playing all my life. I have to play high school soccer because the are no club teams in my region. Therefore if I want to play college soccer I must do what I can to be seen. And if that takes playing high school soccer with a bunch of no good talent I will do it. But you need to understand that those kids with no good talent and only in the second year of play lost to Loyola only 3-2. And if your afraid of being hurt try playing Carroll High School out of Division III district one. OCS, Loyola, St.Freds, and Crowville all did and no one was hurt luckly. This is said to be one of the best districts in the state yet they still have to play sucky teams. That happens in club soccer also so if you have a problem with pain get over it play and don't be scared if you do you might be surprised at how well you will do and no get injured. Quit whinning!!
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Post by Western High School Coach on Jul 15, 2002 17:19:55 GMT -6
High School and Premier co-exist very well in most of the Western states. One of the best high school keepers I have seen in a long time was recruited on the high school level and started three years for Santa Clara. Most Western States have 2 seasons for their soccer athletes; one being club the other High School. With alot less injuries during both season and less burn-out.
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