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Post by lakeview on Feb 24, 2005 1:03:49 GMT -6
The only case I know of recruiting in the private schools is St Aug in their basketball team. It does happen.
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Post by soccerfan14 on Feb 24, 2005 7:02:07 GMT -6
I was also being facetious.......my point was that you can go down the line and think of all kinds of ways to separate teams, but it does take away from the competition. Play the game, enjoy it, very few people get the opportunity to win a state championship, but that shouldn't be a reason to play or not play.
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Post by soccerpunk on Feb 24, 2005 8:36:21 GMT -6
rivers, let me guess, you are pro-private. it oozes from your responses. how can it be a level playing field when i can live in baton rouge and still play for jesuit. public schools must draw students from their zones. private schools can draw from anywhere. how is this playing by the same rules?
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Post by rivers2 on Feb 24, 2005 9:42:39 GMT -6
Wrong again, Punk. I have a daughter in a public school who is 1st Team Div.1, Dist 4. I might mention that she has never been recruited to play for a private school. It wouldn't have mattered, she wouldn't have gone as she is where she wants to be. Some folks can't be bought. That's something you can ponder on your commutes to New Orleans. Seems to me, you're part of the same problem that you so loathe. It doesn't matter how you got to JESUIT...... when you line up, is it not 11 players? When the whistle blows do you not face 11 players? Where is the unfairness? Do you gauge the notion that perhaps you have some talent and since you play for Jesuit and not attend a public school that private and public school should be seperate? Life stacks the odds against us every day especially in business and sports. If Jesuit wants to come to Baton Rouge to recruit your services so be it....... that kinda crap happens all the time. But unless you count as two players or something...... it's still 11 versus 11. When you match up with Lafayette what in the world does it matter if you travel from Baton Rouge to New Orleans to play soccer? Your 11 versus their 11..... that's all that matters.
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Post by rivers2 on Feb 24, 2005 9:53:09 GMT -6
Punk, it was brought to my attention that you were probably using the Jesuit thing as an example. If that be the case then let's just play like my sentiment was addressing someone who did commute. Bottom line is I'm not pro-private but the need to seperate is not warranted.
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Post by soccerpunk on Feb 24, 2005 9:58:10 GMT -6
rivers, if your notion is correct, then why is it in major league baseball the same teams year in year out win. your phylophy would have us believe that the yankees and red sox win because they play harder than the others. your phylosophy would have the brewers and devil rays not winning because they just don't try hard enough. i along with most know that these teams dont play by the same rules. yankees and red sox have more money to get the better players. just as with the private schools, they can pick and choose 2 or 3 from this area 2 or 3 from another until they have the best players. recruiting for soccer does not necessarily occur at the high school level. in soccer most of it is done at an early age. just because your kid does not go to a private school does not mean you cannot be pro-private. it just means you child was not good enough or you dont have enought money.
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Post by fan007 on Feb 24, 2005 10:21:40 GMT -6
soccerpunk i think you are way out of line saying that about rivers2's daughter. Division I-dist. 4 is a highly competitive district. just because she does not play at a private school does not mean she is not good enough. why is it that you are so anti-private schools? you are delusional if you think that all private schools do is go out and recruit people. in fact say i was a student at a public school and played a sport. one day my parents decide they want to send me to a private school. i have to sit out for a specified amount of time before i can play a sport at my new school. public and private schools both have the same rules. and there have been cases of recruitment in public schools too for example two girls from the australian junior national team somehow ended up playing at denham springs high school. i think you need to get all of your facts straight before you go mouthing off about something you obviously know nothing about.
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Post by rivers2 on Feb 24, 2005 10:26:09 GMT -6
The same teams (Yankee's &Sox) win because they have deep pockets and buy the talent they need. Where, Punk, is the unfairness? This pool of talent goes to the highest bidder. If the major leagues operated with you as Commissioner...... then the Yankees's could not schedule games with the Padre's due to the talent disparity. Instead of one major league, teams could only compete with teams of similar payrolls. There could be a number of leagues. When you meet the guy in the alley that is twice your size you better rid yourself of the notion of what's fair because you are about to come face to face with something quite unfair. You can debate all you want but life has dumped on you and it's 1 on 1 in that alley. Just like on the soccer field....... it's 11 versus 11. If that 11 is bigger and faster than you... you're in a world of hurt but the real world is like that. Punk, sadly most things in life are not fair..... you can only do your best and hope that in most cases that is enough.
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Post by soccerpunk on Feb 24, 2005 10:42:31 GMT -6
atleast now you are admitting that it is not fair. just because life is not fair does not mean that we should not do what's in the best interest for our kids. why don't we just have 1 division or combine the boys v girls. you know life is not fair, and in the real world girls have to compete against boys for jobs. thats a great idea rivers.
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Post by rivers2 on Feb 24, 2005 11:03:24 GMT -6
I admitted that facing a giant in an alley is unfair and I voiced that much in life is unfair but as long as 11 face 11 there is no unfairness...... disparity at times but no unfairness. Another reader cited you were delusional, but I think you have a rudimentary control of your faculities..... you're just wrong. The purpose here is to toss around ideas and I have tossed mine around and so have you. It's time to let others speak. I hope that all that is fair and good come your way. And yes, all that is equal.
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Post by soccerpunk on Feb 24, 2005 11:49:08 GMT -6
just as i predicted. you have no rebutal to my last statement. you say life is not fair, so lets have 1 division boys v. girls. we separate by school enrollment, then why not separate by public-private?
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Post by takeitdowntown1 on Feb 24, 2005 12:42:11 GMT -6
I went to a private school and by no means did we do any recruiting. As mentioned earlier in this post, most of the people that ended up at the private high school came from elementary and middle schools which were also private. As a matter of fact, one of the local public schools was responsible for recruiting. Half of their team did not live in that schools boundaries. They used relatives or other friends addresses so they could attend that school. Did my school complain, no, we wanted to prove that no matter what they did, they still could not beat us. However, I will say that during the four years in high school I saw the football team recruit about 5 players or so. This was never done by the soccer team. Maybe the football team should have done more recruiting because they were pretty terrible.
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Post by mfg17 on Feb 24, 2005 12:43:16 GMT -6
Soccerpunk, Your initial argument was that private schools dominate this year's playoffs. As I indicated in my earlier post and which statement you have chosen to ignore, 6 out of 10 or 60% of the finalists in Division I since 2001 have been public schools. Hardly unfair to public schools, at least in Division I. You also have chosen to ignore my statement in that same post that if you have some evidence of recruitment by private schools, produce the evidence to the LHSAA. If all you have is second hand information or hearsay concerning recruitment, I again suggest that that you drop the inflammatory accusations.
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Post by soccerpunk on Feb 24, 2005 12:54:30 GMT -6
yes private schools do recruit. as i sadi earlier it happens to be at an early age. coaches get parents to send their child to a certain private school at the elemetary age. that is common practice for all private schools. i am also arguing how level is the playing field? for a student to play at tara hs he/she must live in that zone. that is not the case if he/she wants to go to a private school. they can live any where. private schools have no zones. how is this right?
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Post by takeitdowntown1 on Feb 24, 2005 12:59:55 GMT -6
yes private schools do recruit. as i sadi earlier it happens to be at an early age. coaches get parents to send their child to a certain private school at the elemetary age. that is common practice for all private schools. i am also arguing how level is the playing field? for a student to play at tara hs he/she must live in that zone. that is not the case if he/she wants to go to a private school. they can live any where. private schools have no zones. how is this right? That is new to me because you can go back to 1st and 2nd grade of the local private schools where I was from and those same kids stayed throughout high school. So are you trying to say that coaches are recruiting pre-K and Kindergarten students. Maybe it is different where you live. But where I am from, private schools do not recruit soccer players.
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Post by fan007 on Feb 24, 2005 14:13:49 GMT -6
you have got to be kidding me. you truely believe that a private school is going to recruit a 5 year old. i don't know what world you live in but in the real world a parent of a 5 year old is not going to listen to there soccer coach and send them to a certain school i know that rivers2 said that you weren't delusional but i still believe you are after some of the statements you have made. first off anyone can tell you that there is something called a church parish. usually each church parish has some sort of school if you live in the parish and your parents want you to go to private school that is where you go. also you think that there are just an enormous amount of private schools. i can count the # of major private schools in baton rouge out for you. there is parkview baptist, Bishop Sullivan, St. Joes, Catholic High, Redemptorist, Dunham, and Episcopal. those are your major private schools in the baton rouge area. all of those schools have ties to a middle or elementary school there is no recruiting of children. this is not china or romania where they pick gymnasts from a group of three year olds and tell them what their profession will be. get a grip.
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Post by mfg17 on Feb 24, 2005 14:26:44 GMT -6
Parochial (Catholic) schools do have attendance zones that must be adhered to for incoming students. If a student lives outside of the given zone, that student is ineligible to participate in sports for the first year they attend the school. I personally know a number of students who chose to attend a school for academic reasons and therefore were required to abide by those "zones of attendance" rules. Recruitment had nothing to do with their choice.
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Post by fan007 on Feb 24, 2005 15:42:58 GMT -6
soccerpunk are you a parent or a student
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Post by philwil on Feb 24, 2005 15:52:25 GMT -6
I have been a coach and teacher in private schools for 26 years. I have never seen the type of recruiting Punk is talking about.
I have conducted summer camps and have coached teams at the rec dept and at soccer clubs. Have people made the decision to come to my school because of this? Of course! Did I promise them anything? Not a chance!
Life's too short to be running around clubs and rec depts trying to recruit players who may or may not pan out. This is a silly proposition.
The privates were prepared to walk away from the LHSAA this summer. Why do you think the public principals backed off the 2 year ineligible period and other unsavory policies to keep the privates? They knew that the greater good would be to keep the LHSAA intact. Amen!
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Post by Mung on Feb 24, 2005 16:11:39 GMT -6
this is not china or romania where they pick gymnasts from a group of three year olds and tell them what their profession will be. get a grip. lol. i couldn't have said it better. sad to say, but soccer is not considered important enough to recruit. in cenla, all our coaches are unpaid volunteers. I assume it's similar elsewhere. Now football...they probably do recruit. That's been the genesis of all the fighting at the LHSAA. I do hear the West Monroe is like Romania where they start recruiting them at age 5, holding them back in grade school so they'll be bigger in high school. Too funny.
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