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Post by goat on Mar 1, 2009 21:00:02 GMT -6
I was getting ready to say "on what" them I saw your post sorry. Overtime win just like caddo and the rams I think the total body of work favors Menard. they beat ASH and they beat TCH Northlake doesn't have the same resume' and it was an OT win. sorry thats just how I saw it.
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Post by coachm90 on Mar 1, 2009 21:03:43 GMT -6
ok well a win is a win and we won when it counted so if that doesn't make us better than menard thats fine with me.....
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Post by soccergods on Mar 1, 2009 21:05:50 GMT -6
i feel you, coachm90.
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Post by goat on Mar 1, 2009 21:06:02 GMT -6
I was waiting for this Neville only played 1 top ten team all year parkway. while they built up a great won loss record it was against teams that were not even ranked they were seeded high but lost to an 8 seed go study the results of all the teams and come back and tell me why I am wrong. Loyola (despite what lcpsoccermom says) was the Woodlawn of last year. 13-10 in regular season only 5 wins against playoff teams,(not top ten just playoff teams). Go back and really look at it, study it like I do and put your bias aside. If you do I think you would agree with me and the other voters that these are solid rankings. I hate how even though we put it all together as a team and started playing the soccer we had been capable of all along right when it actually mattered, and then made it to the finals, our record from earlier in the season is still coming back to bite us. I guarantee Teurlings is nothing like the team they were at the Copa Acadiana when they tied Parkway and lost to Menard. Likewise, we are completely different than we were when we incurred all those losses earlier in the season. And we are nothing like Woodlawn. Having watched the D1 final last year, I am fairly confident that we would be able to soundly beat last year's Woodlawn. beating woodlawn has nothing to do with it. you had a great win over vandy, GREAT JOB! but you played an over rated Neville,(sorry guys), in the semis and got beat soundly by TCH. Playing great late in the season against teams that didn't even make the playoffs doesn't impress me. as a voter I can't let emotion come into play and it looks like all of the other voters with the exception of shrevedad agree with me. You made it to the finals and when people talk about this years title game you will be in the story be happy with that and remember this ranking means absolutely NOTHING! |
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Post by orko on Mar 1, 2009 21:06:11 GMT -6
ok well a win is a win and we won when it counted so if that doesn't make us better than menard thats fine with me..... I am just guessing here, but maybe goat thinks that menard won as well without going into overtime. Maybe he thinks beating a team in regulation is better? I don't know. Would you clarify for us please goat? |
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Post by soccergods on Mar 1, 2009 21:14:24 GMT -6
Goat, I'm not talking about playing great late in the season, I'm talking about the playoffs alone. And I completely agree that Neville was overrated. I could be wrong, but didn't you rank them ahead of us going into the playoffs though? Unfortunately, I never got a chance to play against ASH or to watch any of their games, but I find it hard to believe they are better than Vandy.
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Post by goat on Mar 1, 2009 21:15:34 GMT -6
OK here goes. Caddo lost to acadiana in PKs does that mean acadiana is a better soccer team than Caddo. well if you look at the total picture no. It means they beat a better team on that night. just like loyola over vandy, just like some of the other upset in the playoffs. Give me more than one signature win NLC had all year. Menard beat ash, beat TCH, as well as other very good teams I think on one night NCL was better but day in day out menard is the better side. please tell me where i am wrong.
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Post by lashowboat21 on Mar 1, 2009 21:16:21 GMT -6
ok well a win is a win and we won when it counted so if that doesn't make us better than menard thats fine with me..... I am just guessing here, but maybe goat thinks that menard won as well without going into overtime. Maybe he thinks beating a team in regulation is better? I don't know. Would you clarify for us please goat? from what i had heard it was ncs that scored the first goal and then menard had a bike that should not have happened. maybe menard did dominate the game but if it's tied in regulation in a playoff game dont you need overtime to determine a winner? |
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Post by lcpsoccermom on Mar 1, 2009 21:18:26 GMT -6
Goat, it was 2-1 until 12 minutes left in the game. How is that beating soundly? Teurlings was definitely the better team. Same as Jesuit was the better team over Shreve. Again, we will have to agree to disagree on this, but soccergods has some valid points. (gosh I hate to say that!) I do agree that whether or not Loyola could beat Woodlawn has anything to do it, however. I understand the logic that was used to put Tuerlings, Vandy and ASH ahead of Loyola in the rankings, but I think it is flawed logic. And to say that Loyola players should just be happy that they are in the story is slightly insulting to them. But you are right, like their won-loss record, these rankings definitely do not tell the whole story.
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Post by goat on Mar 1, 2009 21:20:35 GMT -6
Goat, I'm not talking about playing great late in the season, I'm talking about the playoffs alone. And I completely agree that Neville was overrated. I could be wrong, but didn't you rank them ahead of us going into the playoffs though? Unfortunately, I never got a chance to play against ASH or to watch any of their games, but I find it hard to believe they are better than Vandy. I did have them ranked higher and I was wrong. but look at your playoff wins. Parkway was a decent win Vandy was hugh and neville was not a surprise. TCH beat you soundly and ash took them to 2 ot's Remember this means nothing but i love to debate so please back up why you think i am wrong. |
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Post by coachm90 on Mar 1, 2009 21:20:55 GMT -6
the only thing that matters is february. win or go home. no one cares about what u did before that day in and day out.
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Post by goat on Mar 1, 2009 21:23:25 GMT -6
Look guys yall are looking at it from an emotional point I'm not! Ten people vote on this not just me and with no emotion involved we see it different than yall, thats all!
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Post by soccergods on Mar 1, 2009 21:24:25 GMT -6
It means they beat a better team on that night. just like loyola over vandy, just like some of the other upset in the playoffs. I know it sounds like I am just making excuses, but we honestly didn't play our best soccer against Vandy. Our first touch was garbage the entire first half. I think if we played them ten more times, they would not win more than five. |
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Post by goat on Mar 1, 2009 21:30:35 GMT -6
It means they beat a better team on that night. just like loyola over vandy, just like some of the other upset in the playoffs. I know it sounds like I am just making excuses, but we honestly didn't play our best soccer against Vandy. Our first touch was garbage the entire first half. I think if we played them ten more times, they would not win more than five. I like your confidence but we will REALLY have to agree to disagree on that one my friend. |
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Post by soccergods on Mar 1, 2009 21:37:11 GMT -6
I wish I could call on lcpsoccermom for support here, but sadly she wasn't able to make the Vandy game.
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Post by soccer2006 on Mar 1, 2009 21:41:11 GMT -6
well goat, we tied TCH and beat Loyola one time, so dont we deserve to be ranked #2?...Just messing with ya, but cant wait till next year rolls around
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Post by flat3 on Mar 1, 2009 21:42:07 GMT -6
Here are my Top 10s. My logic in DII is similar to goat's. Great minds think alike. ;D
Division I
1. Jesuit
2. Captain Shreve
3. Lafayette
4. St. Paul's
5. Catholic BR
6. Brother Martin
7. East Ascension
8. Dutchtown
9. Acadiana
10. Caddo Magnet
Division II
1. Teurlings Catholic
2. Vandebilt Catholic
3. ASH
4. Loyola
5. McKinley
6. Neville
7. St. Michael’s
8. Beau Chene
9. Bossier
10. DeRidder
Division III
1. Newman
2. University
3. Episcopal
4. St. Thomas Aquinas
5. St. Louis
6. St. Martin’s
7. Northlake Christian
8. Westminster
9. Menard
10. Ben Franklin
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Post by goat on Mar 1, 2009 21:42:16 GMT -6
yea i know we were both reading the updates on the board and if you go back and look you will see I was pulling for yall!
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Post by littleone11 on Mar 1, 2009 21:43:43 GMT -6
I know it sounds like I am just making excuses, but we honestly didn't play our best soccer against Vandy. Our first touch was garbage the entire first half. I think if we played them ten more times, they would not win more than five. yeah well Vandebilt didn't play their best soccer that night either... but that's just how soccer is you win some you lose some. You just have to try and put your best out on the field for every game, and your team must have done just that when you played Vandebilt. |
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Post by goat on Mar 1, 2009 21:46:22 GMT -6
well goat, we tied TCH and beat Loyola one time, so dont we deserve to be ranked #2?...Just messing with ya, but cant wait till next year rolls around I'll be watching you close next year good luck - sorry I didn't see you last night! |
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