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Post by archangel on Feb 8, 2012 14:54:03 GMT -6
Wild2120 -- Great post. One other thing, which may be obvious. Club players tend to attend Private Schools and Schools of Choice. That is why STM and Teurlings (Catholic Schools) and Lafayette High (A school of choice) get many more club players than do Comeaux and Acadiana. Same thing happens in New Orleans area. The exception to this rule is the Northshore. St. Tammany Parish schools are so good, the public schools get just as many club players as SSA. I am curious to see if that district doesn't suffer from dilution of quality players now that Lakeshore is open.
Over the same 9 year period you mentioned, there were 54 finalist in Division I, II, and III. Of that, 43 were Catholic or other private schools. 5 were schools of choice. And 6 were public schools (4 from the Northshore)
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Post by soccerB on Feb 8, 2012 16:00:20 GMT -6
aliceshoe1- That was my hidden point. Teams in week districts (cannot control level of competition) they must venture out and play a few games outside their area. I know from a club point of view parents do not have a problem with this. Games could also be scheduled on Saturdays to make these rare occasions possible. . I am not trying to find excuses or anything for T-bonne not playing enough games outside their district but you guys should know that there is a rule in Terrebonne parish that forbid schools to play on weekend. One coach almost lost his job a few years back for playing a saturday game. So saturday games and most tournamnent are out of the picture for them.
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Post by mfg17 on Feb 8, 2012 18:51:28 GMT -6
One other statistic for wild2120: you can go back 11 years instead of 9. MT. Carmel's teams under Coach Sean Esker also won State in 2001 and 2002. Also, I believe Dominican and Mt. Carmel have accounted for six of the last eleven state championships (three each).
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Post by wild2120 on Feb 8, 2012 19:40:16 GMT -6
One other statistic for wild2120: you can go back 11 years instead of 9. MT. Carmel's teams under Coach Sean Esker also won State in 2001 and 2002. Also, I believe Dominican and Mt. Carmel have accounted for six of the last eleven state championships (three each). Thanks, the only data I had was what's currently on the LHSAA website. Coach Deaton made this point on another thread: It's "not really about who you play, but how you play." That is certainly true. Do the best you can with what you have. If your team plays their best and gets defeated by a better team, then your team can walk off the field knowing that they did their best. There's no shame in that.
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Post by oldsoccerfan on Feb 8, 2012 21:43:09 GMT -6
If i remember, both of Coach Esker's teams finished third in the district...
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Post by div1coach222 on Feb 9, 2012 7:52:26 GMT -6
soccerB- The point I was making was maybe the teams in this district were seeded a little high because of their overall record, but lack of quality opponents they have faced. If it is difficult to travel that is understandable, but when seedings come out this should be taken into more consideration. Should these teams have been included in the top 32? Yes, but after looking at the results and scores other teams definately should have been rated higher and maybe been rewarded with a first round home game. No disrespect to these teams, but the system should reward the teams who go out and play tougher opponents.
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Post by mydove4 on Feb 9, 2012 8:32:44 GMT -6
archangel - To answer your question, I don't believe that the addition of Lakeshore will adversely effect SSA's pool of players. The school and Coach Ortner are the two big drawing cards. However, because of district boundaries with the public schools, it may have an effect on Fontainebleau. I don't believe that Mandeville will feel any change either.
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Post by div1coach222 on Feb 9, 2012 8:51:37 GMT -6
Lakeshore has already weakened Fontainebleau. Surely all have to admit that if you have seen Lakeshore play they have skilled players and some of them would be attending Fontainebleau. Fontainebleau is young and the future looks bright. Where I think most of the weakness will be felt is in depth. Free of serious injuries and the help from the MSC farm club they will always be competitive. As for as coaching goes, their coach is young, but to me has shown steady improvement which comes from experience. I was not aware (until this year) that this is only her fifth year head coaching high school soccer. Team started 1-4-1 she made changes and the team has responded well. Only time will tell what effects will be felt by all teams (in this area) with the addition of Lakeshore High.
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Post by archangel on Feb 9, 2012 16:15:19 GMT -6
Lafayette High (A school of choice) get many more club players than do Comeaux and Acadiana. All Lafayette Parish public high schools are "schools of choice" as part of the deseg settlement. www.lafayettechoice.com/site1.phpAliceshoe - you are correct. However, most of the girls that I know that play club are very intelligent. If they are not in private schools, they are in the G/T public school. In Lafayette, that would be Lafayette High.
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Post by archangel on Feb 9, 2012 19:26:04 GMT -6
Bt, dt, gtts... For all of you who are like me, and not as hip as Alice, I asked my daughter what that means: Been there, Done that, Got the T-Shirt.
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Post by soccerB on Feb 10, 2012 5:52:26 GMT -6
Aliceshoe - you are correct. However, most of the girls that I know that play club are very intelligent. If they are not in private schools, they are in the G/T public school. In Lafayette, that would be Lafayette High. And most of the girls I know who play club soccer who are not in private school or in Gifted and Talented program ARE ALSO VERY INTELLIGENT. Thank you.
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Post by archangel on Feb 10, 2012 13:19:27 GMT -6
SoccerB -- Maybe my comment was poorly worded. I was not implying that the girls who were not in GT or private school were not as intelligent as the other girls. I was just trying to explain why Lafayette High had so many more club players than the other public schools in Lafayette
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Post by laffysoccermom on Feb 10, 2012 22:30:01 GMT -6
I have noticed that there are a lot of club players in special programs. My daughter's club team has probably all but one in either private, French Immersion, G&T, or advanced.
Never really thought much about it til now. There are middle school aged.
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Post by oldhattrick3 on Feb 11, 2012 13:03:54 GMT -6
Now think back in time to your child's early years of soccer. Think of the better teams back then and odds are, more often than not, a core group has been together all along. Dumb luck or manipulation of roster from day one? I'll stay out of that one.
Oh aliceshoe, you went there. The root that rules all youth sports. Can't believe you brought that can in here and cracked it open just enough to let the smell out. Lol
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Post by offsides on Feb 12, 2012 11:00:41 GMT -6
In Lafayette, continuous "dumb luck and/or roster manipulation" led to three clubs, smaller rosters and less participation in the girls higher competitive levels. Smart girls sometimes find other interests.
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Post by laffysoccermom on Feb 12, 2012 21:10:39 GMT -6
I guess I am a bit lost on what you are talking about. We started soccer late and I never got into the politics of it.
My comment was simply about my daughter's team nothing more.
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Post by oldhattrick3 on Feb 12, 2012 21:37:39 GMT -6
I guess I am a bit lost on what you are talking about. We started soccer late and I never got into the politics of it. My comment was simply about my daughter's team nothing more. You don't have to get involved in the politics, if your daughter is in the right place, the politics of the adults will come to you
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Post by laffysoccermom on Feb 13, 2012 6:13:49 GMT -6
Maybe so.... Maybe not.
Right now, soccer is about her enjoying herself, learning to work with a team, improving her game, etc.
I don't know what most people think about the three clubs in Lafayette but for at least two of them, relations are not as tense as one would think- at least not in the player and parent ranks. Many families have one child playing for one club and one playing for another. Friends from one club come to see friends from the other club play.
I don't know how or if the administrations get along and there are probably some players and parents with less than cordial feelings but in general it is nothing like I heard when I got involved.
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Post by Wofford Dad f/k/a SJA Dad on Feb 13, 2012 9:01:27 GMT -6
We just lost to a very good Dominican team. It is my understanding they have over 20 club players. Same with Mt. Carmel. I doubt that SSA, Fountainebleu, Mandeville, St. Thomas Moore, or Lafayette have less than 15 club players.
This past year, we had 6. BR High had about that. Dutchtown might have a couple more. Not sure about EA and ST. Amant.
Epispocal has about the same, as does Runnels. U High might have a little less.
My point is that the "top" high school programs in the Baton Rouge area maybe average 5 or 6 club players. I think the top programs in New Orleans average something like 18. Covington/Mandeville teams probably average 15. Lafayette teams probably average around 12.
With Baton Rouge having the largest club in the state, one wonders why BR area teams don't win state. The only thing I can think of is that club talent is so much more spread amongst area high schools. Most main BR club talent goes to SJA, BR High, Episcopal, Runnels, U High, with a few to Live Oak and St. Michael's. BR area club teams also draw from the Prarieville/Gonzales area that includes schools like Dutchtown, EA, and St. Amant. My point is that there are a lot of schools that draw upon club talent developed within BRSC.
Do you agree that other clubs feed fewer major programs? Mandeville Soccer feeds SSA, Mandy, Font, Nothshore, and Lakeshore.
CSC feeds St. Thomas Moore, Lafayette, Acadiana, Teurlings, and I'm sure a couple of others.
The NO clubs feed MCA, Dominican, Sacred Heart, and Newman.
The Lake Charles area feeds St. Louis and Barbe.
Is it distribution of talent over a wider base? Or is it something else?
Thoughts?
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Post by sokerfan on Feb 13, 2012 9:42:17 GMT -6
SJA Dad,
Baton Rouge Club teams are usually strong throughout every age group, so it must be the fact that they are spread out throughout the parish high schools.
In regards to Lafayette High we only have I believe 6 players from CSC - 1 freshman, 5 soph We have others from the Dynamo Club which was Division I, I believe, and some from LFC which was Division I as well.
I don't know what it is called with the different arrangement this year. I know STM has quite a few players that are former CSC players and some current CSC players and I am sure some of the same mix of LFC & DYNAMO players.
The majority of the CSC players are at Lafayette, STM & Teurlings though.
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