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Post by bouree on Feb 16, 2005 0:04:46 GMT -6
Let's face it, the soccer official takes a lot of BS on the field and from the stands. For your benefit, here's a little lesson on the game from our eyes. Handball (as coaches, players and fans call it) The official term is "Handling the Ball". The offense involves deliberate contact with the ball by a player's hand, arm, fingertips, upper arm or outer shoulder. If the ball is kicked into the hand or arm, this is NOT a "handball". If the ball bounces from the ground and hits the hand and drops directly to the players foot, this is NOT a "handball". The ball has to be DELIBERATELY played with the hand, etc. Believe it or not, you will see a "real" hand ball very few times in a game. Advantage You will see a referee make a sweeping motion with his hands and hear "play on" when a foul has been committed but the referee deems the attacking team will be better off by not whistling the foul. While advantage can occur on any part of the field, it is mostly applied in the attacking 1/3. Indirect Free Kick There are not many instances during a game when an IFK is awarded but everyone knows it is awarded on off-side. Other instances are for obstruction; when a player moves in front of another player to prevent them from playing the ball with no intention of playing the ball himself. A "dangerous play" is also reason for IFK. A "high kick" is not always "dangerous play". If the ref deems the kick is close to a player and puts that player in harms way by the high kick, then an IFK is awarded. The referee raises an arm to indicate an IFK. The ball must be touched twice before going into the goal. Tackles from Behind YES, tackles from behind are legal as long as they are executed properly. NO, not every "tackle from behind" foul needs a yellow or red card. There are 8 mandatory cautions, and this is not one. Sayings from fans we love to hear: "Call it Both Ways" We cannot call it both ways because when we blow our whistle, there has only been one foul committed. "Does your whistle work" and 30 seconds later hearing "let them play". We can't have it both ways. Note: During play-offs, most games are covered by high level referees. In many cases, these referees are either collegiate level or USSF National level. They referee because they love the game. Our love of the game is what keeps us coming back, in spite of all the abuse we take.
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Post by Bish on Feb 16, 2005 0:34:07 GMT -6
Stop double-posting.
Stop double-posting illegitimate threads.
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Post by cardsinhand on Feb 16, 2005 0:51:50 GMT -6
True! True! But ... you forgot the wonderful ...."Ref, you suc%!" or "What game are you watching?" When have you heard a referee tell player those things?? or a coach or a parent (especially after their son or daughter is sent off for foul language) ?? I'm just wondering how many times I've said "Nice try" or Good effort" after a missed shot instead of "What was that??" or "Man your the worst striker I've ever seen" How about "Your missing a good game kid!" Guys this game is not just about kicking a ball but about sportsmanship, dealing with situations, learning. We all need to be more positive and educated on the field. That's why I like this message board. The board gives us a chance to ask question and learn, to congratulate players and teams, and to support everyone.....even those blind officials!! ;D ;D
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Post by on Feb 16, 2005 12:54:16 GMT -6
My all time favorite comment
"Ref, Get off your knees, you're blowing the game"
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Post by 4TheLoveOfTheGame on Feb 16, 2005 13:26:01 GMT -6
Ive seen better eyes on a potatoe. my favorite.
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Post by brhsoccer14 on Feb 16, 2005 13:53:54 GMT -6
I have heard a lot more, but don't think some of it is legal on here. When I was a reffing a middle school game at Episcopal, the parents were all over me. They had no idea what was going on and were booing at every call I made. There were repeated 'Hand-ball, Ref! Are you blind?' I love that. It makes me laugh every time. Some people just need to learn the rules. Everyone knows that players sometimes feign fouls. One time, a player falls to the ground, the player's fans go crazy, I blow the whistle and they all clap, next thing you know I am giving a caution to the player on the ground. I got called some crazy things.
Anyway, back on topic, I just laugh when I watch a game and fans are mad at good calls. Even my own friends start getting mad and I am whispering to them, 'That was actually a good call.'
Now, what person got you mad enough to post that anyway?
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Post by McScruff on Feb 16, 2005 15:25:31 GMT -6
Hey Bouree I have a question about advantage.
It seems that sometimes the ref is a little hasty in awarding advantage and the advantage doesn't materialize to his/her liking. Then the whistle is blown and a freekick awarded. So, my question is this, once advantage has been awarded, is it within the rules to change the call later? I understand the reasoning, but just think that officials could be more judicious in calling advantage and once it is called they should not be able to stop play and award a freekick.
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Post by bouree on Feb 16, 2005 15:43:24 GMT -6
Yes, it is written in the USSF LOTG and NFHS rule book the referee can signal for advantage, and if the advantage doesn't materialize(within 3 seconds), the ref can blow the whistle and place the ball where the initial foul occured for a free kick...and 3 seconds is a long time.
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Post by McScruff on Feb 16, 2005 15:50:20 GMT -6
ah...thanks.
3 seconds isn't very long compared to, say, 3 days. ;D But yes, I know how long three seconds is. I am sure most high school athletes can run 1/4 the field in 3 seconds.
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Post by Forgotten North on Feb 16, 2005 17:19:02 GMT -6
Fan: Hey Ref, you're missing a good game Ref: Yeah I know but I was assigned to this one. Coach: You called two completely different games out here tonight Ref: Yeah coach, and you lost both of them. Another actual comments stated to a referee that I know during a high school playoff match in Dallas, TX: "Hey Ref get off of your knees because you're blowing the game!" There is another one that I was going to say one time, but I didn't think that I could keep a straight face. It had something to do with sexual intercourse, pedophilia and a U13 girls' soccer team. I am sure that you can figure it out for yourself.
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Post by Ghandi on Feb 16, 2005 18:43:38 GMT -6
One time a referee asked me, " Do you know why I gave them that penalty kick ", after I had fouled someone in the box. I replied, " Because I'm sexy? ".
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Post by takeitdowntown1 on Feb 16, 2005 19:56:11 GMT -6
Let's face it, the soccer official takes a lot of BS on the field and from the stands. For your benefit, here's a little lesson on the game from our eyes. Handball (as coaches, players and fans call it) The official term is "Handling the Ball". The offense involves deliberate contact with the ball by a player's hand, arm, fingertips, upper arm or outer shoulder. If the ball is kicked into the hand or arm, this is NOT a "handball". If the ball bounces from the ground and hits the hand and drops directly to the players foot, this is NOT a "handball". The ball has to be DELIBERATELY played with the hand, etc. Believe it or not, you will see a "real" hand ball very few times in a game. The rulebook states that if a player gains any kind of advantage from unintentional contact of the ball with the hands, it is ruled a penalty. For instance: If you unintentionally commit a handball and the ball lands perfectly at your feet, setting yourself up for a shot, a penalty should be called. One time, a player falls to the ground, the player's fans go crazy, I blow the whistle and they all clap, next thing you know I am giving a caution to the player on the ground. I got called some crazy things. I am glad some referees are carding for faking fouls. I can't stand when those foreign players flop on the ground and grab their ankle when they never even got touched. These types of flopping slows down the game and gets very annoying.
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Post by McScruff on Feb 16, 2005 19:58:26 GMT -6
i don't know that a player's nationality has anything to do with it.
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Post by takeitdowntown1 on Feb 16, 2005 20:01:40 GMT -6
I am sorry you disagree with me but I am just calling it as I see it.
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Post by McScruff on Feb 16, 2005 20:08:40 GMT -6
so you don't get upset when an American kid takes a dive?
I don't see what race has to do with taking a dive.
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Post by takeitdowntown1 on Feb 16, 2005 20:18:16 GMT -6
so you don't get upset when an American kid takes a dive? I don't see what race has to do with taking a dive. I do get upset when an american takes a dive. It is quite rediculous. I have played against American teams and teams with other nationalities and as a general observation, I have noticed other nationalities take more dives. I have also seen this on T.V. as well. It should also be noted that some of these same countries play 1 touch soccer much better than Americans. Every country has their own strategy and some countries use dives more often to try and gain an advantage.
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Post by takeitdowntown1 on Feb 16, 2005 20:25:26 GMT -6
Please give me ANY passage in any soccer rule book that states what you are saying. In fact if the contact is untentionable the rule books state there is no foul and no penalty. Why is it I think you know this already but are just trying to stir things up a little No, I am not messing with you. I read it in the rulebook. It is not in the "handling the ball section". It states something like this: If a player gains any unfair advantage from handling the ball, whether it be intentional or unintentional, a penalty has occurred and a free kick shall be awarded for the opposing team. It should be noted that I read this a few years ago in the rulebook. I don't think they would take something like that out of the book. I became a referee over 12 years ago and I have heard other referees also make this call.
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Post by bouree on Feb 16, 2005 21:14:16 GMT -6
Takeitdowntown, you may be referring to section 12/9 of the "Advice to Referees on Laws of the Game". It states "Deliberate contact" means that the player could have avoided the touch but chose not to, that the player's arms were not in a normanl playing position at the time, or that the player deliberately continued an initially accidental contact for the purpose of gaining an unfair advantage. Moving hands or arms instinctively to protect the body when suddenly faced with a fast approaching ball does not constitute deliberate contact unless there is a subsequent action to direct the ball once contact is made. I hope this clears things up.
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Post by takeitdowntown1 on Feb 16, 2005 21:19:05 GMT -6
Nope that's not what I was referring too.
Keep trying, I hope you find it.
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Post by nikademus on Feb 16, 2005 22:10:16 GMT -6
the handball issue is easily resolved if you keep this statement in mind...always ask yourself, "did the hand play the ball, or did the ball play the hand?"
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