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Post by soccerfan123 on Feb 25, 2008 21:52:40 GMT -6
1. Caddo Magnet 2. St. Paul’s 3. Jesuit 4. STM 5. Woodlawn 6. Acadiana 7. Carencro 8. Brother Martin 9. Rummel 10. Grace King ;D
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Post by The Irish Fro on Feb 25, 2008 22:01:04 GMT -6
1. Caddo Magnet 2. St. Paul’s 3. Jesuit 4. Woodlawn 5. Acadiana 6. St. Thomas More 7. Carencro 8. Rummel 9. Brother Martin 10. Grace King that better morgan? 1. Caddo Magnet 2. St. Paul’s 3. Jesuit 4. STM 5. Woodlawn 6. Acadiana 7. Carencro 8. Brother Martin 9. Rummel 10. Grace King ;D Now these are men that know how to rank teams.
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Post by soccer2009 on Feb 25, 2008 22:06:09 GMT -6
Okay I believe GK and Shreve both lost to Woodlawn by the same score and dominated the game in the same way, so why should GK be ranked ahead of Shreve. BTW Shreve finished with a better record and a harder schedule than GK.
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Post by manudown on Feb 25, 2008 22:07:38 GMT -6
You might as well call this the playoff final ranking, not the 2007-2008 rankings.
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Post by soccer4ever on Feb 25, 2008 22:08:29 GMT -6
It all matters in crunch time man, and the playoffs are all about winning when you have too. Thats what woodlawn did, and shreve and grace king didn't. So I can see why some people have ranked Woodlawn over Shreve and GK even though some said Shreve had a harder schedual and both teams dominated the game.
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Post by soccer2009 on Feb 25, 2008 22:13:10 GMT -6
Ya man I didn't mean to say Woodlawn ahead of Shreve instead GK over Shreve. I modified it.
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Post by The Irish Fro on Feb 25, 2008 23:05:13 GMT -6
It all matters in crunch time man, and the playoffs are all about winning when you have too. Thats what woodlawn did, and shreve and grace king didn't. So I can see why some people have ranked Woodlawn over Shreve and GK even though some said Shreve had a harder schedual and both teams dominated the game. First of all, Woodlawn was ranked because they made it to the state finals, beating four teams in a row including Jesuit. They then managed to be the only team in the playoffs to score against Caddo, in which they had four previous shutouts. So yeah Woodlawn won when they had to, which is exactly the reason why Grace King should be ranked. Grace King started off against Bayou district champion South Terrebonne and soundly defeated them 2-0 contrary to what most people predicted. GK then faced Byrd, a team described by Coach Ray to be a dark horse in the playoffs, and his prediction came true. They defeated a strong District Champion Lafayette team 1-0 and then lost Grace King the next round 3-2 in a Grace King dominated game. So far Grace King has now beaten South Terrebonne 2-0 and C.E. Byrd 3-2, who had beaten Lafayette 1-0. And then the season came to an end for Grace King against Woodlawn 1-0, in yes a Grace King dominated game, we out-shot and out-possessed them, but we lost. The same team Shreve lost to 2-1, in the first round. So to say Grace King didnt win when they had to is completely untrue. Now another arguement brought up is the fact that Shreve had a harder schedule. Maybe, they did play more ranked opponents, but if the rankers voted Shreve number 10 on their season outcomes alone, then why did the voters fail to leave Fountainebleau off in their rankings? Weren't they consistently a top ten team, unlike Shreve, in the regular season? They also lost in the first round but were only given two votes in the final vote as opposed to 7 for Shreve. Seems hypocritical to me. If Grace King had put up these results in the regular season as the same time Shreve would have put up these results, there would be no doubt that GK would have been ranked higher. Grace King shutout district champion South Terrebonne, then defeated Byrd, a team that had beaten Shreve earlier in the year and had just defeated a suprisingly strong Lafayette team. They then lost to Woodlawn the same team as Shreve lost to, except Grace King managed to hold Woodlawn to only one goal, and dominate the whole game. The Grace King and Jesuit games sound really alike to me, both losing 1-0, out-shooting them, out-possessing them, and holding them to no more than three shots on goal. Shreve lost first round 2-1 Grace King lost in Quarterfinals 1-0 thats pretty much it. im done talking, i thought we had finally shown everyone that we were capable, and proved it, but i guess not.
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Post by soccer09 on Feb 25, 2008 23:08:40 GMT -6
Fountainebleu lost 6-0 to STM at home in the playoffs. Shreve and GK both lost to Woodlawn by 1. Shreve was the only team to beat Caddo this year, i think that puts them over the top
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Post by The Irish Fro on Feb 25, 2008 23:12:36 GMT -6
you want to know who else lost to St. Thomas More 6-0?
Captain Shreve
And rivalries mean nothing. Bonnabel is our rival and the games are always close, but look at them when they play other people, they get killed. They lost to Baton Rouge 5-0, but managed to stick with us in the season 2-1 and 3-1. Not taking away from Shreve, its a great win, but to base their ranking on one score is a little absurd.
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Post by manudown on Feb 25, 2008 23:17:43 GMT -6
And rivalries mean nothing. Bonnabel is our rival and the games are always close, but look at them when they play other people, they get killed. They lost to Baton Rouge 5-0, but managed to stick with us in the season 2-1 and 3-1. Not taking away from Shreve, its a great win, but to base their ranking on one score is a little absurd. I think you mean West Jefferson was the team that BRHS played. And if you're going to use the excuse that Captain Shreve beat Caddo so they should get votes, how about BRHS beating Woodlawn twice (3-2 and 2-0) during the season, something that Catholic didn't even do. I'm not saying BRHS should get votes because overall they had a poor season, but having Woodlawn so high based on playoffs is belittling the title of 2007-2008 Final Rankings, which I believe should be an indicative of the season, not just a portion.
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Post by soccer09 on Feb 25, 2008 23:23:14 GMT -6
i agree with that, woodlawn shouldn't be as high, shreve should have snuck in there though. yes they lost to stm but they were missing a few players, and that was early on in the season during a tournament. Fountainebleu lost AT HOME and IN THE PLAYOFFS. Beating the state champs, and being the ONLY team to have beaten them, rivalry game or not, deserves some credit. Also, Shreve's record is better, and they had a harder schedule. Sorry, I still think Shreve deserves it over GK. It's just an opinion though, I think we need some power ratings.
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Post by The Irish Fro on Feb 25, 2008 23:27:00 GMT -6
And rivalries mean nothing. Bonnabel is our rival and the games are always close, but look at them when they play other people, they get killed. They lost to Baton Rouge 5-0, but managed to stick with us in the season 2-1 and 3-1. Not taking away from Shreve, its a great win, but to base their ranking on one score is a little absurd. I think you mean West Jefferson was the team that BRHS played. And if you're going to use the excuse that Captain Shreve beat Caddo so they should get votes, how about BRHS beating Woodlawn twice (3-2 and 2-0) during the season, something that Catholic didn't even do. I'm not saying BRHS should get votes because overall they had a poor season, but having Woodlawn so high based on playoffs is belittling the title of 2007-2008 Final Rankings, which I believe should be an indicative of the season, not just a portion. my bad, Bonnabel lost 5-0 to Brother Martin. Same score, wrong team. And yes i agree, i once thought Woodlawn should be 3rd in final rankings, but after thinking about it, I've reconsidered their spot. These rankings have two faces to them, one the rankers voted based on the playoffs (Woodlawn, Fountainebleau) and the others they based on the season (Captain Shreve and others).
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Post by purplepanther on Feb 26, 2008 7:54:12 GMT -6
Are these rankings based off of the 10 best soccer teams in the state or the 10 best soccer seasons in the state?
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Post by soccer2009 on Feb 26, 2008 17:23:57 GMT -6
The only thing GK should receive respect for is for being the school which josey goes to.
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Post by panther002 on Feb 26, 2008 20:29:54 GMT -6
haha. ouch.
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Post by LoveTheGame on Feb 26, 2008 22:35:15 GMT -6
Would it be possible (and if I missed seeing it I apologize) to get a list of those who vote? Are the coaches doing the voting, or others who are just seasoned soccer fans?
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Post by flat3 on Feb 27, 2008 0:26:32 GMT -6
As I said earlier, I am a voter. I, however, don't know who other voters are. I believe Timaeus picks voters at the beginning of each season. I was not allowed to vote at the beginning of this year, since he had ten already. He later let me vote as I did so in the last couple of years.
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Post by LoveTheGame on Feb 27, 2008 8:45:33 GMT -6
Thanks, flat3. You ALWAYS step up to the plate.
I was just wondering because, on the girl's side, this is how they do it:
Barbedad wrote:
"Please everyone get involved on this one....... Please send me your top 10 either by posting here or by IM if you want to be anonymous. I will compile this week and release on Thursday. Even if you have not ever been a voter, add yours so we can get as many as possible."
So far, these are the folks who have voted:
Diverdo, Posts: 32 Phsmom, Posts: 53 Lcpmom, Posts: 11 jus4kicks, Posts: 61 bucsfan1217, Posts: 32 bcsports, Posts: 15 laffan, Posts: 73 2cents, Posts: 14 wittija, Posts: 45 shsdad, Posts: 49 a9imus, Posts: 74 2young2coach, Posts: 131 sokerfan, Posts: 163 jube quietrfun01, Posts: 11
Not sure if any of these are coaches. Doesn't seem like a wealth of experience based on the number of posts per voter.
Just wondering how all this voting works, and who is doing it...and how much credibility to put on the votes and the whole process.
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Post by flat3 on Feb 27, 2008 10:34:04 GMT -6
I believe the votes on this board are credible. Because of that, LHSSCA stopped having their own votes, which they used to do. I don't know how many coaches are included, but it doesn't bother me. Trust me, it's a lot of work to vote EVERY week for all three divisions (you have to do that). You have to be aware of upsets or any key matches during the week. We sometimes see "peculiar" votes. For example, I still bitterly remember that Ridgewood Prep. was voted without playing a single game in DIII. I complained a couple of times, and I believe that voter has been eliminated. The votes may not be ACCURATE, but it's not BIASED, either. The voters try to be fair every week.
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Post by 2young2coach on Feb 27, 2008 11:32:42 GMT -6
i know that there is at least one coach on that list.
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