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Post by oldjock on Feb 24, 2006 17:19:08 GMT -6
Talk about immature! Boo jesuit ?for what? They didnt break the rules ! If they win state,good for them . They did nothing wrong! Laff coaches and admin screwed up. Vent your anger at them and grow up a little!
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Post by alleyball on Feb 24, 2006 17:27:08 GMT -6
Well said oldjock, well said.
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Post by mark18 on Feb 24, 2006 17:35:22 GMT -6
Isn't it just a bit arrogant to concede the championship to Laffy or Jesuit? I am sure Brother Martin, Carencro and Fontainebleau believe that they would have an excellent chance at winning. Echoing what appears to be the minority position: Feel sorry for the Laffy players, Don't blame Jesuit, You can't redo the earlier rounds of the playoffs, Jesuit should play full out and if they win how about they present the state trophy to Tommy Henry and show that the kids get it while the adults don't seem to have a clue!
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Post by spectator on Feb 24, 2006 17:42:48 GMT -6
I for one do not blame Jesuit. I just do not agree that they should be allowed to advance.
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Post by bamabama on Feb 24, 2006 17:50:46 GMT -6
If Laffy had to forfeit this game then they should have to forfeit all games this coach was involved in. N. Jesuit doesot just in the playoffs but also in the regular season. At this point it would be best to let the victorious team (and obviously the better team) move on. If not, give Rummel or Catholic a shot to beat Jesuit. To much politics and bad sportsmanship ruin the game
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Post by butch101789 on Feb 24, 2006 17:56:30 GMT -6
I feel sorry for the Seniors of lafayette high for their whole highschool soccer career to go out in a cheap way. It is not the players fault for the coaches to mess up and they should not be punished. Jesuit got beat fairly and it is over. If lafayette is disqulified then jesuit should not be able to move on. It is like saying that the teams lafayette beat before they go to this point can come back in. If Jesuit would win this year its nothing to be proud of
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Post by aha78 on Feb 24, 2006 18:58:02 GMT -6
Jesuit has already stuck the fork in and twisted it good by posted on their website their now changed record, not to mention thier win against Lafayette in 05 for state championship. Updating the web page in one thing, but to rub in those statements is totally unnecessary. Updating the ruling today was all that needed to be said. Shame on Jesuit. Don't they feel these Lafayette players are feeling bad enough already.
Jesuit has already forgotten that they lost to Lafayette, and thier unqualified coach. Oh yeah, Jesuit has something to brag about!
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Post by on Feb 24, 2006 19:49:08 GMT -6
wow isn't it a shame that lafayette has to forit the game because there coach was under quaified!! to the seniors at lafayette high i would like to say you and everyone in this state know who the best team is. while i know this doesn't make it feel any better, know that whoever wins state this year will have a * next to there name because ya'll desereved to be there.
i'm not going to say what i think about the ruling because i might open myself up to a law suit. lets just say the lions were robbed and everyone knows it.
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Post by Ghandi on Feb 24, 2006 21:30:00 GMT -6
Does anyone know the details with probation? Will Lafayette not be able to participate in the playoffs next year?
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Post by timaeus on Feb 24, 2006 22:06:42 GMT -6
Jesuit to "win" state might be the best thing to happen for Lafayette at this point because if Fontainebleau or Carencro were to win, their championship would not have an asterick next to in most people's mind (well at least not as big of an asterick if Jesuit wins).
What would be nice to see is Jesuit win it and the players refuse the trophy, as one poster has suggested.
I think Jesuit is going to struggle to win state because there will be feelings of guilt. No amount of coaching will be able to cleanse it all. Most of the players know they lost to the better team and are advancing on a technicality.
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Post by oledude on Feb 24, 2006 22:46:37 GMT -6
Yea, but really, I think some of us are "freaking- out" on this thread. Jesuit HAS NOT WON State and may NOT! Lets give some credit to other possibilities. There are 3 well earned and played teams in this equation. Relax. May the BEST team win....oh yea....and if the other 3 teams loses, they can come back in too!
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Post by maketherun on Feb 24, 2006 23:04:26 GMT -6
I look forward to tomorrow's FHS v. JHS match-up. Jesuit is a great side, whether they were bettered one day this week by LHS or not. Forty-eight wins without an asterisk is nothing sneeze at.
Jesuit will win, but not because of guilt or lack thereof. They will win because the painful sting of defeat is still fresh in their minds. The wounds are open, the nerves raw. The coach, the team, the senior leadership will do anything to avoid that feeling again.
At the same time, FHS has done everything well this year. Win strong district. Win "big" in bi-district round at home. Win "big" in regional round on the road in Ruston. Win hard fought, OT, quarterfinal round match, coming from behind by 2 against Shreve. What a year and they're still playing.
Tomorrow’s game should be a great one. I will be there. Won't predict a score but, JHS will end the Cinderella run.
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Post by mileshest on Feb 24, 2006 23:15:26 GMT -6
I'm going to ask this question that has already been asked : why should the players be punished for a coaching/administration mistake? Logically, Adam should be removed for the remaining game(s) or the Jesuit game should be replayed without him on the sidelines. There's my theory. Another thing, about this "paper check" being "routine" is a complete lie. The Jesuit ( Lakeview) parents and supporters should be ashamed if this came about by their doing. For the record : the linesman with which the debacle began was the same linesman of the championship game last year ( the one who called Brian Prejean's "slide-tackle" in the closing seconds of the game.) I, for one, want nothing more to do with New Orleans soccer. Blaming Jesuit has nothing to do with immaturity, because this "routine paper-checkage" wasn't "routine" nor was it fair. These are mainly jumbled thoughts and I apologize. I goto Lafayette High and none of you know how violated and robbed we feel; to have something unfairly stripped from us. Again, I hope the gentlemen ( I use the term loosely) at Jesuit can find it in themselves to feel ashamed of advancing on a technicality, of not accepting the fair outcome of a game, and of initiating this "routine paper check."(if they did.)
Thank you, Go Lions.
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Post by maketherun on Feb 25, 2006 0:10:35 GMT -6
Hey mileshest -- You introduced (for me) a new component to this discussion. From the start, I have recognized the horrible disappointment that the LHS players had to be going through. I had not however, considered that the LHS student body and entire school community is going through the same disappointment. Thanks for making me think of that.
I don't know all the particulars about why LHSAA would initiate an inquiry in the absence of an official protest however, what I've been told is this. Whenever game officials take disciplinary action, such as the sending-off a coach or player, both participating schools and the officiating team are required to each submit an incident report to LHSAA. It was in the review of these reports that registration and credentialing irregularities of the coach or coaches came into question.
As a matter of fact, one of the newspapers, either T.P. or L.A., quoted LHSAA as citing that they (LHSAA) had no record of the "disciplined" coach being affiliated with the team. Further inquiry uncovered that the "disciplined" coach did not have the proper credentials to funtion as a coach under LHSAA rules.
If anyone else can shed light on the technicalities of the LHSAA ruling please weigh-in. I would like to fully understand this situation.
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Post by takeitdowntown1 on Feb 25, 2006 0:34:09 GMT -6
I'm going to ask this question that has already been asked : why should the players be punished for a coaching/administration mistake? Logically, Adam should be removed for the remaining game(s) or the Jesuit game should be replayed without him on the sidelines. There's my theory. Another thing, about this "paper check" being "routine" is a complete lie. The Jesuit ( Lakeview) parents and supporters should be ashamed if this came about by their doing. For the record : the linesman with which the debacle began was the same linesman of the championship game last year ( the one who called Brian Prejean's "slide-tackle" in the closing seconds of the game.) I, for one, want nothing more to do with New Orleans soccer. Blaming Jesuit has nothing to do with immaturity, because this "routine paper-checkage" wasn't "routine" nor was it fair. These are mainly jumbled thoughts and I apologize. I goto Lafayette High and none of you know how violated and robbed we feel; to have something unfairly stripped from us. Again, I hope the gentlemen ( I use the term loosely) at Jesuit can find it in themselves to feel ashamed of advancing on a technicality, of not accepting the fair outcome of a game, and of initiating this "routine paper check."(if they did.) Thank you, Go Lions. You have a lot of things mixed up about the routine paper check that you are implying. Go back and read some of the thread. Also the linesman didn't make the call last year. The center ref did. The linesman was on the other side of the field and didn't have anything to do with the call last year.
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Post by oldfart on Feb 25, 2006 0:46:55 GMT -6
i fill sorry for the kids lafayette ,it's not their falt,but ad,caoch,admin, need to keep up jesuithas some talent, give up what both teams deserve and say have we realy do have a good team their. I have a son that plays DII 2 we played club ball with a few citys and I have to say some of the kids that go to jesuit have the write to play today! nomater who's falt we played them a few time and tide them, if they play the way they play vch it's hard to beat them , the same for vch give respect for lafayette for being the top team in D1 and yall all know the chapionship was played Lafayette and jesuit . a vch parent
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Post by mileshest on Feb 25, 2006 1:22:51 GMT -6
Thank you, take-it-down.
For correcting my mistake.
But, I thought I had made it clear that my post was a jumble of thoughts, mainly composed of fact-fragments.
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Post by icarustea on Feb 25, 2006 1:40:07 GMT -6
Today at 12:15am, mileshest wrote:I'm going to ask this question that has already been asked : why should the players be punished for a coaching/administration mistake? Logically, Adam should be removed for the remaining game(s) or the Jesuit game should be replayed without him on the sidelines. There's my theory. Another thing, about this "paper check" being "routine" is a complete lie. The Jesuit ( Lakeview) parents and supporters should be ashamed if this came about by their doing. For the record : the linesman with which the debacle began was the same linesman of the championship game last year ( the one who called Brian Prejean's "slide-tackle" in the closing seconds of the game.) I, for one, want nothing more to do with New Orleans soccer. Blaming Jesuit has nothing to do with immaturity, because this "routine paper-checkage" wasn't "routine" nor was it fair. These are mainly jumbled thoughts and I apologize. I goto Lafayette High and none of you know how violated and robbed we feel; to have something unfairly stripped from us. Again, I hope the gentlemen ( I use the term loosely) at Jesuit can find it in themselves to feel ashamed of advancing on a technicality, of not accepting the fair outcome of a game, and of initiating this "routine paper check."(if they did.)
Thank you, Go Lions.
Jesuit did not initiate the "routine paper check" as you put it. LHSAA said in their own statement that they pursued the inquiry on their own.
What has happened to the sportsmanship involved with playing these days? This all started over a dispute over the offside call on a Jesuit goal. Once the refs lay down the judgement call on offsides, it's usually non-negotiable. To have a coach from any team, eligible/certified or not, have such a heated discussion as to be asked to leave the field is in my book, unsportsman-like and uncalled for. Isn't this where this whole awful situtation started to begin with??
I was under the assumption that a good team is defined as good technically, tactically, physically, and mentally - all four components of the beautiful game of soccer). If you say you're a good team that can defeat Jesuit then do it by playing well in ALL those components on the field in the game, not by verbally abusing the ref and then causing it to escalate to the point where it is now - it all snowballed to a forfeiture of the most important game in the season for your team. 40 minutes of halftime on your own home field is ridiculous to placate a coach for the home team...over a supposed bad offsides call? Based on this game, LHS showed that they were good in all the other components, but lacking in one - the mental discipline. The emotional/mental component is usually very important in a game of this caliber. For LHS, not a newbie to the state tournament, to show such lack of control over the emotional aspect of the game, surprised me. (yes, a coach and one player does not represent the whole team, but then again, it's the TEAM being represented, so one action of any of the players/coach/even parents are part of the team).
Ya'll beat Jesuit 2-1 so obviously yes, you won the game and the threat of losing the quarterfinal match to Jesuit over a bad offsides call (which to me was the spark that started this fire) seems in retrospect, blown out of proportion. Because of that fear, Rayborn got too incensed at the ref, which the ref interpreted as feeling threatened, which then brought the LHS player to feel like he had to press charges, which then lead to the police report, which then lead to the inquiry by the LHSAA, which then lead to the discovery that the asst. coach in question was in actuality, ineligible to be a coach to begin with on a technicality, a technicality that has been in the laws for years.
LHS is a talented team, 32-1 definitely shows skill and talent, but talent is nothign without guidance and support. Who guides these players? The coaches. Rayborn said himself that he aided in the technical and tactical training for the team (on another thread, re: the LHSAA rules). What kind of example is he giving his players with that kind of attitude in that big game? That it's ok to yell at the ref when a bad call is made? That to yell at the presiding official to the point where that person feels threatened - will make things go your way in a game? All in all, if Rayborn had exhibited some composure there in that moment, none of this would have happened, LHS would have still won, "fair and square." Instead, the whole incident just stinks of poor sportsmanship and emotional discipline, which is part of the game - that mental component. The whole thing only managed to fall right back hard into the laps of LHS in fines, probation, and forfeiture. THe judgement call that may have been a part of the LHSAA ruling, however harsh it may be, could have been in part of the fact that LHS did not display all four components of the game in the spirit of which the game should have been played. Tactical - yes. Technical - yes. Physical - yes. Mental/emotional - talking about the blowup on the offside call that precipitated this whole debacle - NO. The fact that Rayborn was not eligible - technicality? Maybe. But the rules are there. They weren't pulled out of nowhere. It didn't take days for them to cook the technicality up. It was probably the first thing they checked.
Yes, this was all supposed to be for the players. That's what sportsmanship is - too make sure the focus of the game is to play the game fairly - so that the players make the most of the game. But we all know refs make mistakes - they're human - as well as the coaches, players, etc. LHS had the capability to win that game without incident even with the supposed unfair goal by Jesuit. So why protest so heatedly about that call? Just play on, accept the ruling, and play to win.
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Post by memasefni on Feb 25, 2006 2:07:12 GMT -6
Should the coach have checked into credentialing more? Yes.
Should the AD and principal have ensured that their coaches were qualified? Yes. If they were uncertain AT ALL, they should have requested a review by the LHSAA. When the debate occurred last year over the "private vs. public school" interplay, Evangel reported that they routinely asked for LHSAA review of any player that might be considered questionable before allowing them to play. The same could be done for voluteer coaches.
Should the LHSAA have considered more factors in their decision? Maybe.
Should the bylaws be changed? Maybe.
BUT,
The real moral to this story is that we should maintain better control of our tempers...and promote good sportsmanship at ALL times.
There is a proper way to challenge a referees call. There is a proper way for a referee to respond to a challenged call. There is a proper way for the coaches to respond to the referee's decisions.
And none of what I have heard on this issue so far meets the criteria.
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Post by badge on Feb 25, 2006 7:35:56 GMT -6
I have a question about something nolathrunthru brought up. He said "...whenever game officials take disciplinary action such as the sending off a coach or player, both participating schools and the officiating team are required to each submit an incident report to LHSAA..." And it was this review which led to the discovery that the coach wasn't properly certified.
Wasn't it on an earlier post that this coach had been tossed out of games before? Why was it not reviewed at that time?
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