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Post by Lennox on Feb 28, 2010 11:45:46 GMT -6
Honestly, I got to pg. 7 on the board; we were at the match, loved the kids on both squads, partially educated by Jesuits, forgive me. Accidentally, ate lunch late w/ the officiating crew. Noticably exculded in all the posts to this point, technically sound play of the state champs at half 1-0 MVP/Alex; i fell asleep & wanted to go home. On to toal 80, Laf made power adjustment created momentum amplified w/PK{questionable}scored 1-1, champs played push ball{non-competitive} till fulltime 2-1, good day. To the runners-up, this game is built from the bottom up, fundamentals to technical skills. Until our state club programs are on the same page, matches will perpetually amount to technique (substance) vs. physical (style) w/o proper measure, we are in a no-win situation. We appreciate both Teams Players, as well LA State ODP experiences shared by families; congrats to champs, runners-up, playoff teams, All-Parish, All-District, All-State selections. Good luck, see ya at state in May!
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Post by newmann360 on Feb 28, 2010 11:52:16 GMT -6
I have one thing to say. Jesuit plays dirty. They use their hands and on several occasions absolutely drilled my teammates just because they could. How can the refs let crap like that go? It's truly unbelievable to me and I would like an explanation to that. Yes, they're a bunch of big guys and they have a physical advantage, but there were so many times where it was absolutely undeniable that they were pushing my guys in the back to either get to ball, or just be annoying.
Sure, congrats to Jesuit. They won. But they did not win because they are the better soccer team.
And to the arrogant Jesuit posters on this board: live it up while you can. Rings and trophies rust. Performances fade and are forgotten. Time will have its way with you. You will wake up one morning and nobody will remember that you won a soccer game or that you won 64 straight or whatever. Then you will have to live with your inglorious selves for the rest of your lives.
I am proud of my teammates. They all have heart, class, grit, determination, and love for each other. I would rather lose with these guys than win every game with Jesuit.
-Daniel Newman, keeper for LHS
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Post by tylerminix on Feb 28, 2010 12:23:15 GMT -6
Newman, much love dude. What you said is so right and so real. To all my LHS players, what we have is a brotherhood, and that lasts forever. Believe it or not, to us thats more important than a state championship. I am honored to be your teamate and have taken this journey with you all. Though it didnt end like we wanted, we played with more heart and passion than anyone else last night. I'm not mad at the jesuit posters, i just feel sorry for them, because, i may be wrong, but i dont think they will ever be able to expierence brotherly love and closeness that the LHS team feels for eachother.
congrats jesuit on another state championship.
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Post by areyouready on Feb 28, 2010 12:47:53 GMT -6
Newman and Tyler, these are the type of posts that this board was made for. Don't let the Jesuit pos(t)ers affect you, it will catch up with then eventually. Nothing that anybody says can take away what we had this year boys, we defined the word TEAM. There is no other group of brothers that I would rather lose with, spit happens. We know that we wanted it more and we showed it in the second half. This is one team that I will never forget, I feel honored to have played side by side with y'all. The honor and pride that we gained as a team this year was unbelievable, don't let this loss phase us.
-Wesley Menard
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Post by mikethetiger on Feb 28, 2010 13:52:40 GMT -6
Since i already talked about the Jesuit posters, I'd like to share some of my thoughts on the game 1st half: Jesuit started off with an immediate goal and I thought that the route may have been on. The lions buckled down and jesuit seemed to become less aggressive. The play was fairly even with no one creating serious shots on goal for the rest of the half. Jesuit had a slight advantage in possession
2nd half: LHS came out and was a little bit more aggressive. The pk was a legit handball in the box. I can understand why some would find it odd that the ref awarded the pk after he had called advantage and allowed a shot. After the pk was made, both teams seemed to play not to lose for a while. The play started to amp up a little bit more at the end. Jesuit had more chances but the lions had way more possession and way more heart. The pk call for jesuit was probably the right call, but i hate to see the game decided on that, especially with such bad markings for the box.
Overall: I thought lhs outpossessed the jays and outplayed them. They out-hustled them, but with jesuit's enormous size advantage they had to to stay in the game. The officiating was ok, but Jesuit definitely should have been carded at least once. There was a particular incident in which dillon gallet stole the ball and the jesuit player he stole it from sprinted to him and "checked him into the boards." As soon as he lost the ball it was evident that he was going to commit foul, and throwing someone into a wall definitely warrants a card
Independence stadium- terrible soccer venue, all the way around. It was empty, they had very poor markings, we couldn't see what was happening on the near sideline. The lhs fans were much rowdier and probably could have had a small impact if the game was played any place not independence save tiger stadium
The 4-5-1: Stupid, stupid, stupid. Lhs didn't get many shots on goal because their only possession deep was a forward along the sideline. Since he was the only forward, there was no one to pass to in the center. The lions did posses well, but at times you have to knock it forward to catch the d of balance. Once they were down i thought for sure they would make a change, but i guess i was expecting to much out of the great lhs strategist. I don't know how they beat st. Paul's and shreve with this formation, but it certainly was not going to beat Jesuit.
Lhs players for all state consideration: 1)Lance angelle should be number one on this list. He was a captain for this team and he was also the best player. He was one of the only lions last night that played with no fear. Everyone was playing not to make mistakes, he was playing to make something happen. 2) Marshall deaton- great defender on a pretty stout defense and also one of the emotional leaders of the team 3) Blythe Frederick- Every time i watched the lions this year, i came away very impressed with Blythe. He plays with great intensity and flare 4) Dillon gallet- Probably the best physical specimen on the team. He's got decent size and great speed. If he's on his game he's near impossible to stop
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Post by LafayetteDad on Feb 28, 2010 14:57:36 GMT -6
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Post by mikethetiger on Feb 28, 2010 14:59:13 GMT -6
Oh wow, what a screw job. I take back what i said about it being legit.....man i really freaking hate jesuit
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Post by soccergsp on Feb 28, 2010 15:07:28 GMT -6
Congratulations Jesuit on a great season once again and on your second undefeated season (which includes the Florida tournament)...Wow! Congratulations to Lafayette for a great comeback from a difficult start in your season. I am sure this wasn't the same team that Jesuit beat 4-0 at St. Paul's. I can't imagine that anybody didn't notice the absence of Steven Cabos on the field. His absence was painfully obvious, but the players all stepped up to overcome a huge adjustment to your team at a critical point in the season.
About the PK at the end, if you argue with one PK, then you have to argue with both. Neither PK was for a play that was an obvious goal scoring opportunity. if you remember last week, Shreve didn't get a handball in the box called (on a ball that was headed into the goal). I talked to Radi Baltov last night, whose opinion I highly respect, and he said the handball on Shreve could have legitimately been called either way and in the pros you see that called both ways. Same thing last night...I fail to understand why some of you think a handball should be called everytime, but you somehow think a foul should be called only if the foul isn't in the box. I don't understand the point made that the ref would not have called it if he realized it wasn't in the box. A foul in the box is a foul in the box, and nobody doubts the Lafayette player knew he fouled. At least the ref was consistent on both sides with aggressive calls for PKs. I thought Mikethetiger has a pretty objective analysis.
One last thing...it is a travesty if Coach Hubie Collins isn't voted Coach of the Year. I hope the coaches will do the right thing and give the vote to the man that has clearly earned it. 3 titles in 4 years with 2 straight seasons undefeated (not to mention what he did before that). The argument that his team is loaded doesn't hold any weight. Part of the reason his team is loaded is because of the program he has built at Jesuit. There are many great private schools in New Orleans...the reason many of the best soccer players go to Jesuit is because they want to be a part of Coach Collins' program. For the soccer community to look past him again, gives the appearance of jealousy on the part of the voters. Please acknowledge this man's accomplishments. He overcame losing his two star centermids this year (Mullins and Cabos) and losing one at the beginning of the quarterfinal game. There is no doubt it took serious coaching adjustments tactically & mentally to get past that setback...there is a lot more to winning than stringing together a bunch of talented players.
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Post by mikethetiger on Feb 28, 2010 15:23:57 GMT -6
I really tried to be objective, but it's hard to be when you played for lhs. It also doesn't help that i'm pretty sure i was raised to hate jesuit just like i was raised to hate Nazis and communists
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Post by wetsb on Feb 28, 2010 15:25:42 GMT -6
Alright. Let's get something straight. This is the internet. If a bunch of (admittedly) cocky and unwarranted posts on some forum actually piss you, you should probably take a step back and think about your priorities. And don't kid yourself by thinking you wouldn't make a handful derogatory and showy posts towards Jesuit if you had won.
Secondly, I fail to see how a few random posts on a completely random and insignificant internet forum will have any bearing on anyone's future. The Lafayette players say that no one will remember the win streak and the championships down the road, then immediately say they will never forget their teammates and their experience. Contradiction? This season will be a proud moment in the memories of both teams for the rest of their lives, and internet posts will not diminish that. You called Jesuit arrogant and inglorious, but face to face after the game, how many Jesuit players mocked or insulted you? All I saw was genuine sportsmanship. You guys played your hearts out, and the "good games" were a sincere recognition of that.
Overall, the posts were largely unnecessary, but I feel like everyone's dislike for Jesuit intensified them. Since when have high school boys passed on an opportunity for trash talking? That's what makes soccer fun and interesting. The posts were not meant to be serious insults, and they shouldn't be taken as such. And it's still the internet where nothing really matters.
Onto the dirty comment. Soccer is a game of emotion, and everyone gets caught up in that. I'm sure we had a few gratuitous fouls, but that went both ways throughout the game. There was never the intent to hurt or injure another player.
And the reffing. It is what it is. Jesuit's PK probably shouldn't have been called, but at the same time, the handball that gave Lafayette a goal had no affect on anything at all and shouldn't have been called either.
It was a great game that I was proud to be a part of, Lafayette played a great game and deserve everyone's respect for that.
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Post by lcpsoccermom on Feb 28, 2010 15:48:03 GMT -6
Congratulations to Hubie and to Jesuit on a great season. And congratulations to Lafayette on a great season as well. I watched last night's game on the web telecast. I saw the PK call against Lafayette and thought it was a non-call. Did not see the last call against Jesuit, but it sounds like it should have been a non-call as well. If you take away both calls, you have a 1-0 game Jesuit. What I saw was alot more possession and ball movement on the part of Lafayette especially in the second half. Jesuit won that game on defense. What Hubie and Jesuit does best is finding what works best to win a game. It may not be pretty but it is effective. Hubie deserves Coach of the Year for what he has achieved in soccer.
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Post by LafayetteDad on Feb 28, 2010 16:12:20 GMT -6
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Post by engo7 on Feb 28, 2010 16:33:33 GMT -6
One last thing... it is a travesty if Coach Hubie Collins isn't voted Coach of the Year. I hope the coaches will do the right thing and give the vote to the man that has clearly earned it. 3 titles in 4 years with 2 straight seasons undefeated (not to mention what he did before that). The argument that his team is loaded doesn't hold any weight. Part of the reason his team is loaded is because of the program he has built at Jesuit. There are many great private schools in New Orleans...the reason many of the best soccer players go to Jesuit is because they want to be a part of Coach Collins' program. For the soccer community to look past him again, gives the appearance of jealousy on the part of the voters. Please acknowledge this man's accomplishments. He overcame losing his two star centermids this year (Mullins and Cabos) and losing one at the beginning of the quarterfinal game. There is no doubt it took serious coaching adjustments tactically & mentally to get past that setback...there is a lot more to winning than stringing together a bunch of talented players. Could not agree more. To adjust and still win without your star...what a credit to Coach Collins and the entire Jesuit team.
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Post by engo7 on Feb 28, 2010 16:37:02 GMT -6
No doubt if you went through your entire game film, play by play, there would be numerous incidents that could be questioned. It sounds as if both teams played tough and left it all on the field. Leave it at that.
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Post by loJic on Feb 28, 2010 16:44:41 GMT -6
This is only going to continue to get ugly from here. There are plenty of post that warrants this thread a nice little lockaroo.
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Post by Boomer on Feb 28, 2010 16:54:56 GMT -6
I'm a fan of soccer... been in the game for 50 years. I'm a fan of Jesuit soccer, had some kids I coached age group go on to win state championships there.
But if some of my players were posting finger pointing brags and boasts, I would have something to say to them about graciousness and sportsmanship and they would remember it.
Maybe I'm old fashioned ... but I will not let my players dive, beg for calls on the field, trash talk during the game, do anything but say nice game afterward.
I understand youth and exhuberance... but, there is a lot more to high school sports than winning in my opinion. (1) You never have a second chance to make a first impression. (2) "Learn to act like you've been there before," is advice I would tender to the young lads coming up for any team.
Congrats to Jesuit.
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Post by socceriswhatiplay on Feb 28, 2010 18:11:41 GMT -6
As a player of LHS, I can say that Coach Collins does a terrific job of teaching his boys class and sportsmanship. I just can't believe that the game was determined by a simple play where a Lafayette player got ball. This is the championship game and for the game to be won off of a measly pk was extremely devastating. I can only say that we deserve the ring just as much as Jesuit. I recall a Jesuit player picking up a crying lhs player off the ground at the end and saying that if it wouldve gone into overtime we wouldve won.. Pure class. But this also shows that if the referee wouldve been paying attention at the end of the game, it couldve gone either way. You can't help but feel the pain for us, I would rather lose 5-0 than like that.
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Post by LafayetteDad on Feb 28, 2010 18:27:31 GMT -6
Congratulations to the Blue Jays and Coach Collins. Not only has he done a fine job at Jesuit, but runs a fine club organization at Lakeview as DOC where twenty of his players play for the U17 and U18 teams as well.
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Post by inthemix on Feb 28, 2010 18:27:43 GMT -6
I really tried to be objective, but it's hard to be when you played for lhs. It also doesn't help that i'm pretty sure i was raised to hate jesuit just like i was raised to hate Nazis and communists haha Mike the tiger that was hilarious!!! Jesuit might have good players but they are arrogant. When they graduate none of this will play into their future. As for the call... all I can say is the ref should legally have his name changed to " I wear my sunglasses at night"!!!!!! Good season LHS and we are all proud of you guys. Keep your heads high and know that ya'll made Lafayette proud!!
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Post by LafayetteDad on Feb 28, 2010 18:28:46 GMT -6
This is only going to continue to get ugly from here. There are plenty of post that warrants this thread a nice little lockaroo. If what has already been posted is not ugly enough, I don't know what your definition of a lockable offense is.
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