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Post by wildcatstriker on Jan 18, 2021 20:59:25 GMT -6
This thread is nothing but defending soccer refs, which in general do horrible jobs officiating varsity level speed games here. I mean even jv level games are too much for a lot of refs. The training is awful, the assignments are awful, the job structure is awful as well. At the end of the day, it is a job that pays money and when you suck at your job there should be someone over looking and analyzing your performances to see if your fit for the job. We have 45 year old out of shape men centering varsity matches between top 20 schools, what is the expectation really. Want to know why former athletes that would make excellent refs, like ex collegiate and/or semi pro, do not follow through with it? Because they get bs assignments to do u-9, u-12, or jv games for an entire season when they are more than capable and knowledgeable to handle older age groups and varsity level. So they quit bc frankly those games are boring and not worth the pay for someone who sees the game at a different speed. Speaking both club and school here. And the biggest problem of all here in this state, is that there is this tyrannical authority power complex most refs seem to have, that they are always right, and questionable calls should never be questioned or challenged in any way. And lastly, 95% of refs i have come across here can not even properly run the field how a soccer ref is supposed to do throughout the game. A huge problem in u.s. soccer as a whole is officials. And officials influence player development more than anyone cares to talk about. Created an account just to bash referees, without which you cannot have a game. Stating that the refs have a power complex about always being right, while clearly having little to no acknowledgement that it is possible you/coaches/parents/players are wrong. And the belief that putting an inexperienced ref, that can still run a 6 min mile is better due to the fact that he can run versus having the experience and knowledge to call a game totally ruins any credibility. FYI: the U-9 and U-12 games have 3-5 times harsher conditions for a ref than a top flight variety match up. Those parents know 5% or less what the varsity parents have picked up through the years. It is a trial under fire while gaining experience and thickening your skin. You are part of the problem obviously. It is sickening that parents and coaches spend 99% of games bashing a referee no matter how good they are. It embarrassing that more coaches/club administrators/AD’s give no accountability to parents/coaches. Referees are graded. They have to achieve certain levels to be good enough to ref the older games. Parents are not. That is the problem.
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Post by gallstar on Jan 18, 2021 21:03:39 GMT -6
This thread is nothing but defending soccer refs, which in general do horrible jobs officiating varsity level speed games here. I mean even jv level games are too much for a lot of refs. The training is awful, the assignments are awful, the job structure is awful as well. At the end of the day, it is a job that pays money and when you suck at your job there should be someone over looking and analyzing your performances to see if your fit for the job. We have 45 year old out of shape men centering varsity matches between top 20 schools, what is the expectation really. Want to know why former athletes that would make excellent refs, like ex collegiate and/or semi pro, do not follow through with it? Because they get bs assignments to do u-9, u-12, or jv games for an entire season when they are more than capable and knowledgeable to handle older age groups and varsity level. So they quit bc frankly those games are boring and not worth the pay for someone who sees the game at a different speed. Speaking both club and school here. And the biggest problem of all here in this state, is that there is this tyrannical authority power complex most refs seem to have, that they are always right, and questionable calls should never be questioned or challenged in any way. And lastly, 95% of refs i have come across here can not even properly run the field how a soccer ref is supposed to do throughout the game. A huge problem in u.s. soccer as a whole is officials. And officials influence player development more than anyone cares to talk about. Created an account just to bash referees, without which you cannot have a game. Stating that the refs have a power complex about always being right, while clearly having little to no acknowledgement that it is possible you/coaches/parents/players are wrong. And the belief that putting an inexperienced ref, that can still run a 6 min mile is better due to the fact that he can run versus having the experience and knowledge to call a game totally ruins any credibility. FYI: the U-9 and U-12 games have 3-5 times harsher conditions for a ref than a top flight variety match up. Those parents know 5% or less what the varsity parents have picked up through the years. It is a trial under fire while gaining experience and thickening your skin. You are part of the problem obviously. It is sickening that parents and coaches spend 99% of games bashing a referee no matter how good they are. It embarrassing that more coaches/club administrators/AD’s give no accountability to parents/coaches. Referees are graded. They have to achieve certain levels to be good enough to coach the older games. Parents are not. That is the problem. a top 5 post of the year mr Wildcat! Great stuff.
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Post by DailyIberianSports on Jan 19, 2021 7:47:28 GMT -6
This thread is nothing but defending soccer refs, which in general do horrible jobs officiating varsity level speed games here. I mean even jv level games are too much for a lot of refs. The training is awful, the assignments are awful, the job structure is awful as well. At the end of the day, it is a job that pays money and when you suck at your job there should be someone over looking and analyzing your performances to see if your fit for the job. We have 45 year old out of shape men centering varsity matches between top 20 schools, what is the expectation really. Want to know why former athletes that would make excellent refs, like ex collegiate and/or semi pro, do not follow through with it? Because they get bs assignments to do u-9, u-12, or jv games for an entire season when they are more than capable and knowledgeable to handle older age groups and varsity level. So they quit bc frankly those games are boring and not worth the pay for someone who sees the game at a different speed. Speaking both club and school here. And the biggest problem of all here in this state, is that there is this tyrannical authority power complex most refs seem to have, that they are always right, and questionable calls should never be questioned or challenged in any way. And lastly, 95% of refs i have come across here can not even properly run the field how a soccer ref is supposed to do throughout the game. A huge problem in u.s. soccer as a whole is officials. And officials influence player development more than anyone cares to talk about. You typed a whole lot of words when you could have just said "my pee-pee small" Show me on the doll where the referee touched you
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Post by time2retire on Jan 19, 2021 7:57:14 GMT -6
hostia is a local soccer mom grinding a personal axe, trying to elicit a reaction from me - one she won't get. Nothing more.
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Post by gallstar on Jan 19, 2021 8:38:04 GMT -6
hostia is a local soccer mom grinding a personal axe, trying to elicit a reaction from me - one she won't get. Nothing more. She’s also a ref according to the National Enquirer article I read. I think we should have a ref off! First contest is a whistle blowing contest. How loud and proud can you blow it? Next will be a flag pop. The most under appreciated skill in the world of refereeing!
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Post by Tank on Jan 19, 2021 9:30:35 GMT -6
Fascinating analysis! Can you recommend your favorite wine for your book club meetings? Need an expert's opinion.
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Post by hostia on Jan 19, 2021 15:02:42 GMT -6
you lot are immature grown men, not surprising.
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Post by soccer2life on Jan 19, 2021 15:05:05 GMT -6
you lot are immature grown men, not surprising. and you’re an immature grown woman. Boom roasted don’t even respond
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Post by hostia on Jan 19, 2021 15:12:41 GMT -6
This thread is nothing but defending soccer refs, which in general do horrible jobs officiating varsity level speed games here. I mean even jv level games are too much for a lot of refs. The training is awful, the assignments are awful, the job structure is awful as well. At the end of the day, it is a job that pays money and when you suck at your job there should be someone over looking and analyzing your performances to see if your fit for the job. We have 45 year old out of shape men centering varsity matches between top 20 schools, what is the expectation really. Want to know why former athletes that would make excellent refs, like ex collegiate and/or semi pro, do not follow through with it? Because they get bs assignments to do u-9, u-12, or jv games for an entire season when they are more than capable and knowledgeable to handle older age groups and varsity level. So they quit bc frankly those games are boring and not worth the pay for someone who sees the game at a different speed. Speaking both club and school here. And the biggest problem of all here in this state, is that there is this tyrannical authority power complex most refs seem to have, that they are always right, and questionable calls should never be questioned or challenged in any way. And lastly, 95% of refs i have come across here can not even properly run the field how a soccer ref is supposed to do throughout the game. A huge problem in u.s. soccer as a whole is officials. And officials influence player development more than anyone cares to talk about. Created an account just to bash referees, without which you cannot have a game. Stating that the refs have a power complex about always being right, while clearly having little to no acknowledgement that it is possible you/coaches/parents/players are wrong. And the belief that putting an inexperienced ref, that can still run a 6 min mile is better due to the fact that he can run versus having the experience and knowledge to call a game totally ruins any credibility. FYI: the U-9 and U-12 games have 3-5 times harsher conditions for a ref than a top flight variety match up. Those parents know 5% or less what the varsity parents have picked up through the years. It is a trial under fire while gaining experience and thickening your skin. You are part of the problem obviously. It is sickening that parents and coaches spend 99% of games bashing a referee no matter how good they are. It embarrassing that more coaches/club administrators/AD’s give no accountability to parents/coaches. Referees are graded. They have to achieve certain levels to be good enough to ref the older games. Parents are not. That is the problem. Of course coaches and parents and players are wrong often, its like you people do not understand sports officiating. It is part of the job to be mentally and emotionally controlled enough to handle such things. Imagine thinking reffing a u-12 game is harder than a varsity level game, and I lose credibility bc I didn't acknowledge the blatant obvious fact that players, parents, and coaches are wrong, okay pal. The problem is training and correct selecting of individuals equipped to ref. There is a reason the u.s. widely known in the soccer world to have incredibly bad officials at many many levels, that is just factual information. Please stop thinking your refs here do their job well and this whole, "without refs we cannot play so please treat them nicely", grow up! Being a soccer ref includes the outside factors too, and if you can't be told " that's a bad call" without pulling a yellow bc your 40 year old feelings got hurt than you should stop being a ref. And do not even get me started on the protection of players here bc that is a scary one.
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Post by hostia on Jan 19, 2021 15:13:40 GMT -6
you lot are immature grown men, not surprising. and you’re an immature grown woman. Boom roasted don’t even respond Haha smh
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Post by Tank on Jan 19, 2021 15:16:58 GMT -6
you lot are immature grown men, not surprising. Oh yeah?
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Post by time2retire on Jan 19, 2021 15:29:10 GMT -6
After reading these responses, why would any 18-25 year old think this is something they’d want to do?
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Post by Soccerboy123 on Jan 19, 2021 15:41:09 GMT -6
After reading these responses, why would any 18-25 year old think this is something they’d want to do? Money
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Post by wildcatstriker on Jan 19, 2021 15:57:06 GMT -6
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1) The problem is training and correct selecting of individuals equipped to ref.
2) if you can't be told " that's a bad call" without pulling a yellow bc your 40 year old feelings got hurt than you should stop being a ref.
3)And do not even get me started on the protection of players here bc that is a scary one. [/quote]
You assume I am a referee. I am not. Just a former college player educated on the game I love and am trying to help grow. You are obviously not.
1) I can’t believe it is so easy and no one ever realized it. Can we count on you to volunteer your time to become the head of the State Assignors? You can open the front door with all the people beating it down to be referees and hand select only the correct ones.
2) I will wager that @timetoretire has been told, in a calm grown up voice, “that was a bad call” by a parent is far fewer than the number of men who have walked on the moon.
3) I will also wager that you are the loud parent screaming “Let them play!” ar the top of your lungs for every call against your team while also screaming “Someone is going to get hurt!” for every non-call that, in your professional opinion, might have been harder than a golf clap.
And again, before you go on another long rant generalizing how bad the refs are, know that you can look in my post history that I have posted several concerns, and engaged conversations about the safety of players. And can say that the grown-ups were able to address those situations and has led to what I consider a night and day change across the state.
Have a great day!
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Post by wildcatstriker on Jan 19, 2021 15:58:23 GMT -6
After reading these responses, why would any 18-25 year old think this is something they’d want to do? Money Me 20 years ago: “Hell yeah, easy money!” Me 19 years, 364 days ago: “Not worth it!”
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Post by beasleyisbeastly on Jan 19, 2021 16:45:11 GMT -6
Ronaldo would be an excellent ref. Just look at him! An athletic specimen! Imagine Ronaldo in the middle with Usain Bolt and Russel Westbrook as ARs. Now that’s a crew that can keep up!
Seriously though imagine throwing a guy who just passed the grassroots course into the middle of a U18 game because he’s athletic... yikes. Any ref who’s done more than a couple years would LOL at that thought.
Here’s how it tends to go:
You start with the flag on U11. Then you maybe get the whistle on some U10s. Then you work your up to faster paced 11v11 games with the flag. Then eventually you get U11-U12 whistles and then start slowly moving up to 11v11 whistles. Each step requires a new level of confidence from your assignor. Some never get past certain stages. Like any skill it takes time. Sure, ex-players come in with an edge over those who didn’t play. But that doesn’t mean they know everything about what to do or where to be. 99.9% of the time it’s better to have the old guy who knows what he’s doing than throw in a young guy because he can “keep up”. Also consider that refs often have 3-4 games a day and don’t get to sub off when they’re tired like little Johnny or Suzy.
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Post by hostia on Jan 19, 2021 20:38:52 GMT -6
1) The problem is training and correct selecting of individuals equipped to ref. 2) if you can't be told " that's a bad call" without pulling a yellow bc your 40 year old feelings got hurt than you should stop being a ref. 3)And do not even get me started on the protection of players here bc that is a scary one. [/quote] You assume I am a referee. I am not. Just a former college player educated on the game I love and am trying to help grow. You are obviously not. 1) I can’t believe it is so easy and no one ever realized it. Can we count on you to volunteer your time to become the head of the State Assignors? You can open the front door with all the people beating it down to be referees and hand select only the correct ones. 2) I will wager that @timetoretire has been told, in a calm grown up voice, “that was a bad call” by a parent is far fewer than the number of men who have walked on the moon. 3) I will also wager that you are the loud parent screaming “Let them play!” ar the top of your lungs for every call against your team while also screaming “Someone is going to get hurt!” for every non-call that, in your professional opinion, might have been harder than a golf clap. And again, before you go on another long rant generalizing how bad the refs are, know that you can look in my post history that I have posted several concerns, and engaged conversations about the safety of players. And can say that the grown-ups were able to address those situations and has led to what I consider a night and day change across the state. Have a great day![/quote] I never assumed anything about you pal. And I have seen plenty of good refs in my career. I am a former masl pro indoor player, former usl league two player, and former collegiate player like you. I know the game quite well and also know the rules from club level to high school and fifa rules. I've also officiated as high as UPSL matches. The only reason I make the statements I am making is bc the excuses this state uses to bail out extremely poor officiating is pitiful. I am at a high school match tonight and believe me, refs are horrible here and the "i am always right mentality" is full and thriving. Very very few refs admit obvious mistakes or simply admit they have failed to see the contact or handball.. etc....
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Post by wildcatstriker on Jan 19, 2021 20:48:54 GMT -6
hostia - Wow. Well, you sound like a perfect candidate to help us advance the game. Are you signing up to help?
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Post by time2retire on Jan 19, 2021 21:29:39 GMT -6
2) I will wager that @timetoretire has been told, in a calm grown up voice, “that was a bad call” by a parent is far fewer than the number of men who have walked on the moon. Oh, it's not close - there have been many more, including other parents from that same team "hostia" represents. Some on this forum have sent me messages after their games and I didn't mind at all. Some coaches send video, sometimes of my game, sometimes of others that they want opinions on. And a good percentage of the time, they're pretty cordial about it. The presentation typically decides what response they get. I don't mind those who want to understand the "why" behind the call.
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Post by firebruin on Jan 19, 2021 22:06:40 GMT -6
I had a good one that I yelled at the ref today: "If you were in the right zip code, you might actually be able to see the ball!"
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