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Post by time2retire on Jan 6, 2021 16:01:23 GMT -6
More referee chatter on the board yesterday and today (not necessarily bad), and as Gallstar pointed out, it would be nice to see some of today's superstars become tomorrow's referees.
If each school had just one graduate become a referee every other year, and stick with it for five years, we would never be short on numbers.
I could name the usual, but how do we get these seniors or recent graduates to give officiating a try? What incentives do they need? If someone has considered it, what made you decide not to?
I have an idea in the works to reward a school who has a recent graduate sign up for HS officiating (they can't work that school for seven years either way). And we were fortunate on the bayou to be the only area that has gone up in numbers. But the truth is we are getting very few of the 25-and-under group, especially the ones that would stick with it.
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Post by CoachJack on Jan 6, 2021 16:17:03 GMT -6
I think the first thing is Coach’s in general need to talk about refs and too refs with more respect in front of players.
At Mandeville Director/Coach Tassin is a licensed ref. He is always encouraging players to be refs. Now I’m not sure of the actual numbers but I think he has helped around 10-12 former and current players become a ref over the 3 years I have been around. He even keeps pushing me to become one.
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Post by legend14 on Jan 6, 2021 16:34:48 GMT -6
Recent grad from vandy. I believe I’d enjoy this and could do a good job with proper training.
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Post by Waraz on Jan 6, 2021 16:42:25 GMT -6
This is a big problem and will continue to be a problem in the future. The officials shortage is being felt in every sport. I currently officiate 4 sports, 1 on the college level.
Athletes are the best chance we have at filling these spots. I would like to hear a younger person/player’s opinion on why they wouldn’t want to become an official. My opinion and what I heard is the treatment of officials. Young people don’t want to spend an hour plus every day getting yelled at by random strangers. Treat officials a little better and we can get some younger officials into the game.
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Post by time2retire on Jan 6, 2021 16:47:17 GMT -6
Recent grad from vandy. I believe I’d enjoy this and could do a good job with proper training. Send me an email nickchancey@hotmail.com we can get you set up for club and by the time HS season gets here you’ll have two seasons experience and feel a lot more confident. Charlie Doskey and Landon Andre are in my group.
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Post by gallstar on Jan 6, 2021 17:43:11 GMT -6
Great thread. I hope many of the former players will jump in. Some abuse can and will toughen us up for the world.
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Post by time2retire on Jan 6, 2021 17:48:57 GMT -6
One thing that officiating does is teaches people how to handle stressful situations, a skill that can be used in any career. It has definitely helped me in mine.
I can answer for my group when I say we have continuous learning sessions (that are really open to anyone) and on-site mentorship that doesn’t cost a referee one extra cent. So you get that additional training and guidance in both club and HS games. I’ve probably watched as many or more than I’ve worked this year. I’d put my first year guys up against anyone else’s no problem.
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Post by gallstar on Jan 6, 2021 17:55:02 GMT -6
One thing that officiating does is teaches people how to handle stressful situations, a skill that can be used in any career. It has definitely helped me in mine. I can answer for my group when I say we have continuous learning sessions (that are really open to anyone) and on-site mentorship that doesn’t cost a referee one extra cent. So you get that additional training and guidance in both club and HS games. I’ve probably watched as many or more than I’ve worked this year. I’d put my first year guys up against anyone else’s no problem. What does a referee running center in a high school game make per game? Approximately and do they get paid for their gas or travel time?
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Post by time2retire on Jan 6, 2021 18:06:01 GMT -6
One thing that officiating does is teaches people how to handle stressful situations, a skill that can be used in any career. It has definitely helped me in mine. I can answer for my group when I say we have continuous learning sessions (that are really open to anyone) and on-site mentorship that doesn’t cost a referee one extra cent. So you get that additional training and guidance in both club and HS games. I’ve probably watched as many or more than I’ve worked this year. I’d put my first year guys up against anyone else’s no problem. What does a referee running center in a high school game make per game? Approximately and do they get paid for their gas or travel time? Total game fee is 155, how that is split depends on which area you work in. I allowed my group to vote on the breakdown and they chose 55/50/50. Travel depends on the school and how far it is. My area charges a flat travel fee 10.
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Post by Waraz on Jan 6, 2021 19:12:10 GMT -6
The money breakdown basically means that soccer referees make the least of any sport for varsity pay.
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Post by kevin on Jan 6, 2021 20:09:26 GMT -6
The money breakdown basically means that soccer referees make the least of any sport for varsity pay. The best thing about soccer is that a game is going to be over in an hour and a half (not many schools play extra time during the regular season). Most sports can't say that. A volleyball game could be two and a half hours and you're still getting the same amount.
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Post by Waraz on Jan 6, 2021 20:17:32 GMT -6
The money breakdown basically means that soccer referees make the least of any sport for varsity pay. The best thing about soccer is that a game is going to be over in an hour and a half (not many schools play extra time during the regular season). Most sports can't say that. A volleyball game could be two and a half hours and you're still getting the same amount. A volleyball match which is inside and that you are doing zero running.
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Post by firebruin on Jan 6, 2021 20:27:36 GMT -6
I fuss at referees way more now that I have been a referee for awhile...
It's usually over major screw-ups though...
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Post by kevin on Jan 6, 2021 20:29:37 GMT -6
The best thing about soccer is that a game is going to be over in an hour and a half (not many schools play extra time during the regular season). Most sports can't say that. A volleyball game could be two and a half hours and you're still getting the same amount. A volleyball match which is inside and that you are doing zero running. No running? Where's the fun in that? I love playing and watching volleyball, but I'd never want to ref it. You just stand there and watch for tiny touches off the block. And you have to call double contacts on sets, which might be the trickiest call to make in all of sports. I don't know what the volleyball travel fees are, but $50 for that? Heck no.
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Post by Waraz on Jan 6, 2021 20:33:14 GMT -6
A volleyball match which is inside and that you are doing zero running. No running? Where's the fun in that? I love playing and watching volleyball, but I'd never want to ref it. You just stand there and watch for tiny touches off the block. And you have to call double contacts on sets, which might be the trickiest call to make in all of sports. I don't know what the volleyball travel fees are, but $50 for that? Heck no. $60 haha
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Post by gallstar on Jan 6, 2021 20:38:40 GMT -6
A volleyball match which is inside and that you are doing zero running. No running? Where's the fun in that? I love playing and watching volleyball, but I'd never want to ref it. You just stand there and watch for tiny touches off the block. And you have to call double contacts on sets, which might be the trickiest call to make in all of sports. I don't know what the volleyball travel fees are, but $50 for that? Heck no. Gallstar is a big fan of the Women’s beach volleyball at LSU. I’m certain Gallstar would take the $60 to ref one of these matches.
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Post by kevin on Jan 6, 2021 21:23:30 GMT -6
No running? Where's the fun in that? I love playing and watching volleyball, but I'd never want to ref it. You just stand there and watch for tiny touches off the block. And you have to call double contacts on sets, which might be the trickiest call to make in all of sports. I don't know what the volleyball travel fees are, but $50 for that? Heck no. Gallstar is a big fan of the Women’s beach volleyball at LSU. I’m certain Gallstar would take the $60 to ref one of these matches. Yes, they have some great players. One of their stars, two-time national champion Kristen Nuss, was a volleyball, basketball, and soccer standout during her high school career at Mount Carmel Academy.
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Post by Skippers on Jan 6, 2021 22:32:08 GMT -6
I fuss at referees way more now that I have been a referee for awhile...
It's usually over major screw-ups though...
Same here!
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Post by kahnman on Jan 7, 2021 7:03:45 GMT -6
As a former referee, anyone who doesn’t think this issue is self inflicted is absolutely wrong. There is a direct correlation between diminishing number of soccer (and other sports) referees and the absurd behavior of players, coaches and fans. When an idiot player chirps at a referee all game long things like “the whole ball ref!” and “it is when the ball is played” it takes it toll. How rude and disrespectful of a player to behave like that. The bigger issue to me is the players learn this is acceptable from the stands as parents yell all game “he is using his hands” and “that is obstruction, he didn’t play the ball” and other idiotic sayings that usually have no bearing on the play or the rules of the game. It is a common theme that referees “can’t do this for the money” but the reality is that is now the only reason to do it, and that is the quality and quantity of referee that remains. I am not saying that I don’t think there are any good referees, because I think there are, I am saying that pool has diminished so much that the number of good ones is very very small. Fans, players and coaches have taken the enjoyment out of that profession, and there is nothing left to attract new people or keep existing ones there. I challenge you to take into consideration the next time you watch, play or coach a game. Is it even conceivable that the referee intentionally messed up to screw you?? Absolutely not. Is it possible he/she made a mistake in how they saw the play?Of course! Is it equally as possible YOU made a mistake in how you saw it? Just as likely. Also, if it were possible to get that best angles of offside and other fouls from either the stands or the bench, they would relax and do it there. They don’t, they run up and down the field to get a better angle and vision than you have. How many times does an opposite end GK complain about a close offside call? WAY too many considering he is 70 yards away not on a linear angle, yet we accept that he can see it better and gets a right to complain?
Okay, rant over, but I will leave you with this. The next time a striker misses an open net or a GK fumbles an easy save for a tap in or any player miss hits a ball and it goes out of bounds, does the referee crew now have the right to scream “ come on stupid, that was an easy shot, you suck!” Or “is this your first game, have you ever made a pass, my 5 year old can do that, you need to quit!”
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Post by gallstar on Jan 7, 2021 7:24:37 GMT -6
As a former referee, anyone who doesn’t think this issue is self inflicted is absolutely wrong. There is a direct correlation between diminishing number of soccer (and other sports) referees and the absurd behavior of players, coaches and fans. When an idiot player chirps at a referee all game long things like “the whole ball ref!” and “it is when the ball is played” it takes it toll. How rude and disrespectful of a player to behave like that. The bigger issue to me is the players learn this is acceptable from the stands as parents yell all game “he is using his hands” and “that is obstruction, he didn’t play the ball” and other idiotic sayings that usually have no bearing on the play or the rules of the game. It is a common theme that referees “can’t do this for the money” but the reality is that is now the only reason to do it, and that is the quality and quantity of referee that remains. I am not saying that I don’t think there are any good referees, because I think there are, I am saying that pool has diminished so much that the number of good ones is very very small. Fans, players and coaches have taken the enjoyment out of that profession, and there is nothing left to attract new people or keep existing ones there. I challenge you to take tie into consideration the next time you watch, play it coach a game. Is it even conceivable that the referee intentionally messed up to screw you?? Absolutely not. Is it possible he/she made a mistake in how they saw the play?Of course! Is it equally as possible YOU made a mistake in how you saw it? Just as likely. Also, if it were possible to get that best angles of offside and other fouls from either the stands or the bench, they would relax and do it there. They don’t, they run up and down the field to get a better angle and vision than you have. How many times does an opposite end GK complain about a close offside call? WAY too many considering he is 70 yard me away not on a linear angle, yet we accept that he can see it better and gets a right to complain? Okay, rant over, but I will leave you with this. The next time a striker misses an open net or a GK fumbles an easy save for a tap in or any player mis hits a ball and it goes out of bounds, does the referee crew now have the right to scream “ come on stupid, that was an easy shot, you suck!” Or “is this your first game, have you ever made a pass, my 5 year old can do that, you need to quit!” to your point about seeing things. Listen to 5 eye witness accounts of a car wreck. Not one is the same 99% of the time. The ref is right as an average across all professional and collegiate sports 90% of the time. The 10% missed is just as much a part of any game that I have ever enjoyed watching.
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