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Post by upper90 on Jun 16, 2021 8:04:36 GMT -6
I think I posted that in the other thread. After seeing the different thoughts and interpretations of the rules and hearing that the LA TDP folks are still telling players that they will be eligible to play HS, I feel like since the MLSnext rule book states "Club Players must agree to forgo participating simultaneously in both (1) MLS NEXT and (2) high school or middle school soccer.", that could mean that it applies to all of the states where their HS season is in the fall or spring. Since the MLSnext season will end for a period of time through the months of November and February, players may be eligible to play, per MLSnext standards, since they won't be doing it simultaneously.
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Post by wildcatstriker on Jun 16, 2021 8:14:53 GMT -6
MLS Next is one season. 10 months. No “break” is recognized.
If, during the time they don’t play, you sign up for your High School team, unless you have a waiver, you cannot return to your MLS Next team.
Having an MLS Next team in a state that plays winter soccer is not new. Florida has multiple MLS Next teams all over the state.
The exceptions to this rule are clearly stated.
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Post by wildcatstriker on Jun 16, 2021 8:16:23 GMT -6
I think I posted that in the other thread. After seeing the different thoughts and interpretations of the rules and hearing that the LA TDP folks are still telling players that they will be eligible to play HS, I feel like since the MLSnext rule book states "Club Players must agree to forgo participating simultaneously in both (1) MLS NEXT and (2) high school or middle school soccer.", that applies to all of the states where their HS season is in the fall or spring. Since the MLSnext season will end for a period of time through the months of November and February, players may be eligible to play, per MLSnext standards, since they won't be doing it simultaneously. I have not heard them say definitively they would be eligible for HS. I have heard them say they believe they would be able to join during break.
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Post by upper90 on Jun 16, 2021 8:19:32 GMT -6
I think I posted that in the other thread. After seeing the different thoughts and interpretations of the rules and hearing that the LA TDP folks are still telling players that they will be eligible to play HS, I feel like since the MLSnext rule book states "Club Players must agree to forgo participating simultaneously in both (1) MLS NEXT and (2) high school or middle school soccer.", that applies to all of the states where their HS season is in the fall or spring. Since the MLSnext season will end for a period of time through the months of November and February, players may be eligible to play, per MLSnext standards, since they won't be doing it simultaneously. I have not heard them say definitively they would be eligible for HS. I have heard them say they believe they would be able to join during break. I have multiple players that were thinking about doing it, or already committed, and both the parents and players told me that the coaches and directors were very explicit in the fact that they would be eligible, but that they would just be a little late in joining the team. Either way, I want what's best for my players, whether that's playing HS ball or not. I just don't want the players to go in not understanding all of the rules.
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Post by cosmos on Jun 16, 2021 8:20:43 GMT -6
layer Participation in Middle and High School Soccer Club Players must agree to forgo participating simultaneously in both (1) MLS NEXT and (2) high school or middle school soccer. Except as set forth herein, players who participate in high/middle school soccer are ineligible to participate in MLS NEXT Events. Only players who have been granted a waiver by PDev will be allowed to remain on their Club’s Roster during the high school soccer season (waivers are not available for middle school). This waiver must be granted by PDev before September 12, 2020, to be considered for the Roster exemption for the 2020-2021 MLS NEXT Season. The waiver eligibility guidelines are as follows and further information may be found in the MLS NEXT High School Waiver: 15 i. The Player received or will receive financial aid dependent on high school soccer participation. ii. The Player has been accepted into a private high school based on soccer participation. Although Clubs are not limited to a specific number of waivers, the number is naturally self-limiting to field a full Team throughout the MLS NEXT Season. Full-time Players registered with a Club who do not meet waiver eligibility and choose to play with their high school team will not be allowed to re-enter the Program during the same MLS NEXT Season after participating in the high school season with their current or a different Club. So, if I'm reading it correctly, it aligns with the LHSAA ruling - they cannot play at the same time. If the MLS season ends for a break, during Louisiana High School season, then the players are eligible to play, at the discretion of the AD & HS coach. That was one thing that was made clear at the meeting during tryouts. Players cannot participate in any outside soccer activities DURING the MLS season (futsal, indoor, etc.), but they specifically said players COULD play high school if the school & LHSAA allowed it AFTER the MLS season closed for the winter. It seems like that is the case. Even if all goes well with the LHSAA and many of the MLS Next kids end up playing high school soccer, I would assume that this is just something they are kind of tolerating with the older kids for a couple years. I can only assume that there will be higher expectations as the younger kids in the system get older. At that point the local MLS Next coaches may stop allowing the kids to play high school soccer or at the very least will start discouraging it to the kids and parents.
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Post by N.L.B. on Jun 16, 2021 8:39:44 GMT -6
You people crack me up, always trying to out elite each other. Just send them to Europe out of middle school and be done with it.
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Post by viewgator91 on Jun 16, 2021 11:52:11 GMT -6
You people crack me up, always trying to out elite each other. Just send them to Europe out of middle school and be done with it. I'm confused by your sarcasm. Are you frustrated about the MLS Next program? I don't see how having this local opportunity would be viewed negatively for those who want to participate. Louisiana is just now after 10 years offering what most everywhere else in the US have been offering their top players.
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Post by N.L.B. on Jun 16, 2021 12:39:20 GMT -6
You people crack me up, always trying to out elite each other. Just send them to Europe out of middle school and be done with it. I'm confused by your sarcasm. Are you frustrated about the MLS Next program? I don't see how having this local opportunity would be viewed negatively for those who want to participate. Louisiana is just now after 10 years offering what most everywhere else in the US have been offering their top players. It just seems that club ball has gotten so out of hand to the point that some athletes don't even play HS anymore. A family has to spend thousands of dollars and countless hours on the road to build a kids athletic resume enough to where he/she can get a recruiters attention. All for what? A partial scholly at a school most people have to google to know what state its in? Maybe you soccer people have done this so long long its normal to you. But from a relative soccer newbie, y'all are crazy!
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Post by viewgator91 on Jun 16, 2021 12:54:27 GMT -6
I'm confused by your sarcasm. Are you frustrated about the MLS Next program? I don't see how having this local opportunity would be viewed negatively for those who want to participate. Louisiana is just now after 10 years offering what most everywhere else in the US have been offering their top players. It just seems that club ball has gotten so out of hand to the point that some athletes don't even play HS anymore. A family has to spend thousands of dollars and countless hours on the road to build a kids athletic resume enough to where he/she can get a recruiters attention. All for what? A partial scholly at a school most people have to google to know what state its in? Maybe you soccer people have done this so long long its normal to you. But from a relative soccer newbie, y'all are crazy! I can't speak for everyone else, but for our family it isn't about being recruited or getting a college scholarship. It is about the right now. Both of my kids love to play soccer. They both push and challenge themselves to the extent they want. My younger one wants to play at the highest level possible to challenge himself against the best. This gives him the opportunity to compete with the best players from Louisiana (practice) and the US (games). Some kids want more than what club soccer offers and this is that opportunity. Some kids will outgrow this program and some won't make it.
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Post by firebruin on Jun 16, 2021 12:59:19 GMT -6
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Post by soccerbr on Jun 16, 2021 13:10:31 GMT -6
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Post by firebruin on Jun 16, 2021 14:13:03 GMT -6
I like popcorn... My kid kicks the ball real far when all of the parents yell "kick it!" so I hope he can play. All jokes aside, I think that this hopefully will be a great step forward for Louisiana soccer. I tried to get some of my high school players to try out, but they would rather play Islano.
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Post by futbalfan on Jun 16, 2021 20:58:22 GMT -6
So how does this all come to a head? When the first mls next player tries to report to practice or shows up to play a game and gets reported by an opposing coach who told all his players that they if do it, they won’t play on his team?
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Post by soccermomea on Jun 16, 2021 21:57:27 GMT -6
What possible justification could any coach have for denying a child the opportunity to play?
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Post by kevin on Jun 16, 2021 22:09:37 GMT -6
What possible justification could any coach have for denying a child the opportunity to play? I assume you are talking about an MLS Next player wanting to play on a HS team? I'm sure some people would have different opinions on the matter, but I think a coach is well within his rights to say that if a player can't commit to a whole season, he shouldn't be a part of the HS team. (I'm not saying I would do that if I were the HS coach, but I don't think anyone has a right to be on a HS team, no matter how good you are.) Also, any child who plays is taking the opportunity from someone else. You only get to put 11 players on the pitch.
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Post by soccermomea on Jun 16, 2021 22:36:00 GMT -6
So under this reasoning coaches should stop letting football players finish their season and then join their soccer team?
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Post by shadowman06 on Jun 17, 2021 9:20:02 GMT -6
Isn’t LHSAA the same organization that tried to ban ODP players from participating in High School Soccer a couple of years ago? I highly doubt anybody at LHSAA making “soccer” decisions have any knowledge about the sport. Everyone knows the organization is run by and for American Football Coaches. LHSAA would most likely be tickled pink if soccer completely disappeared from Louisiana.
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Post by soccerbr on Jun 17, 2021 9:28:24 GMT -6
Here are the current pertinent factors when considering your path: Part-time players are allowed to play MLS Next during the high school season. We are confirming with the Louisiana High School Athletic Association (LHSAA) that part-time players can participate in high school soccer and the MLS NEXT simultaneously. The MLS NEXT commissioner reiterated that full-time players are not allowed to participate for their high school teams during the high school season. We are in discussions with MLS NEXT to provide players with as many soccer opportunities and experiences as possible. A few of the considerations we are exploring: Waivers- Depending on the school and requirements, MLS NEXT will approve some waivers for players to participate in MLS NEXT and high school soccer at the same time. In academic institutions where soccer is considered a class for credit, waivers may be granted for participation in MLS NEXT during high school. If a player attends a school where soccer participation is part of the academic institution, waivers may be granted for participation in MLS NEXT during high school soccer. LHSAA clearance- The language in the LHSAA policies regarding soccer indicates that we need to demonstrate that MLS NEXT is sanctioned by US Soccer as a national league and/or showcase events for college recruiting.
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Post by lasoccerbaw on Jun 17, 2021 10:43:02 GMT -6
If you look at the 2020-2021 rule book for MLS NEXT, like several on this board have, it seems pretty clear that no outside soccer is allowed, except for the rare waiver. Then we started talking about the MLS NEXT winter break and I think TDP assumed the break would allow people to play high school. Now the national organization is like “hold up”
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Post by dualdellortos on Jun 17, 2021 12:20:00 GMT -6
Here are the current pertinent factors when considering your path: Part-time players are allowed to play MLS Next during the high school season. We are confirming with the Louisiana High School Athletic Association (LHSAA) that part-time players can participate in high school soccer and the MLS NEXT simultaneously. The MLS NEXT commissioner reiterated that full-time players are not allowed to participate for their high school teams during the high school season. We are in discussions with MLS NEXT to provide players with as many soccer opportunities and experiences as possible. A few of the considerations we are exploring: Waivers- Depending on the school and requirements, MLS NEXT will approve some waivers for players to participate in MLS NEXT and high school soccer at the same time. In academic institutions where soccer is considered a class for credit, waivers may be granted for participation in MLS NEXT during high school. If a player attends a school where soccer participation is part of the academic institution, waivers may be granted for participation in MLS NEXT during high school soccer. LHSAA clearance- The language in the LHSAA policies regarding soccer indicates that we need to demonstrate that MLS NEXT is sanctioned by US Soccer as a national league and/or showcase events for college recruiting. Under current LHSAA waiver rules regarding national league or showcase players, IF LHSAA GRANTS A WAIVER ALLOWING CONCURRENT PLAY, high school players are STILL PROHIBITED from training with their non-school team on school days. They can only train on Saturdays and Sundays. I am not sure that this is the training model that MLS Next feels will best prepare their players during those four months.
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