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Post by manudown on Mar 4, 2006 13:17:19 GMT -6
What is going on with Liverpool's strikers? Scoring goals has been a major problem for them lately, and today was no exception with the 0-0 draw. The final shot count was something like 17-3 shots, 13-0 on target. What player needs to be brought in to provide the cutting edge?
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Post by toolshed2 on Mar 4, 2006 15:51:10 GMT -6
I think that Liverpool needs a pure scorer. Crouch, Fowler, Cisse, and Garcia will not each give you 15-20 goals in a season. Unlike Michael Owen who scored close to 20 goals each season. Liverpool should buy a player like Van Nistelrooy (not going to happen).
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Post by soccerboy07 on Mar 5, 2006 13:35:45 GMT -6
I think Cisse is going to have to go. Liverpool needs to invest in a top notch forward from that sell. Perhaps they could be the team to bring Ronaldo away from Real Madrid. Im not a big fan of him, but he could definitely solve their goal scoring problems. Cisse's play on Saturday was decent and he offered a new way of attack but it wasnt direct enough. Put Ronaldo in there and see a direct goal scorer go to work and world class team.
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Post by deridderforward#23 on Mar 7, 2006 13:25:58 GMT -6
its not always the forwards fault but i guess with liverpool the forwards we have are not puttin that ball in the back of the net. i am a liverpool fan and i shouldnt complain about that because really it does not bother me because us scousers are in 2nd position right now. if they were in the middle of the table then i think i would be complaining about it abit more.
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Post by deridderforward#23 on Mar 7, 2006 13:27:02 GMT -6
i think liverpool need a striker like eto'o he would succeed at liverpool i think. liverpool wouldnt attract to van nistlerooy i dont think.
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Post by usasoccerboy on Mar 8, 2006 18:04:48 GMT -6
Robbie Fowler was my favorite player to watch at one time, but he has been slow lately, but he looks almost back to his fit self. But he doesn't have his touch down. I saw this past weekend's game, and he looked dangerous in the nil nil draw. He had a couple of real good scoring oppurtunities, including one where he took on 4 or 5 defenders and sprint dribbled for 50 yards. But the star of that game was Charleston's Johnathan Spector (natural Left Back from the USA), who shut down almost by himself, the Liverpool forward line. The reason was Benitez and the whole Liverpool team thought they could take advantage of the young player, and Spector kicked major butt. When they got it to the left, they seemed to generate good chances and Charlton didn't hold possession well, and so Liverpool had lots of chances. But, they were so sure they could get Spector out, that they took there every time, and every time Spector won.
It was very cool.
Arena is looking for a left back. Spector will be starting there soon enough. Whether that is by June, I would make that bet. Eddie Lewis is not a true left defender. Spector is made to play it.
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Post by bignasty on Mar 8, 2006 20:22:55 GMT -6
Glad to hear Spector is doing well for Charlton. I haven't been keeping an eye on the Manchester United loan man. Do you think he stands a chance at coming back and playing for Man United next year if Gabriel Heinze is fit?
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Post by leesville sucks on Mar 9, 2006 13:53:12 GMT -6
that guy is good but nowhere as good as any england left back
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Post by ronaldo11 on Mar 9, 2006 15:08:43 GMT -6
Spector isnt really doing that well for Charlton. Most premiership teams target him as the weak link in their defence........
He definitely wont start for United. I see Silvestre leaving, but Heinze is still dreaming of world cup, so he'll be back for next season. Plus there's Evra as well now!
PS.... I doubt Ronaldo will come to the premiership. D'you really think he'll perform away on a soggy Middlesbrough pitch on a cold evening? Wish!
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Post by bignasty on Mar 9, 2006 21:07:25 GMT -6
that guy is good but nowhere as good as any england left back I only know of two england left back that is any good, and that is Wayne Bridge and Ashley Cole. So what other England left backs are there? Or did you mean in the Premier League? Because then I might agree.
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Post by usasoccerboy on Mar 10, 2006 0:19:46 GMT -6
The guy is still young. I think he is not even 21 years old, so that is one reason teams are going after him. Also, he is a new starter for Charlton. He has just started being a regular starter for him. In his last 5 games, he has started 5 games, and of those 5, 4 he rated real high in terms of fantasy league points. If you don't like fantasy league points, then I suggest you come up with a better neutral criteria. Here are his stats. fantasy.premierleague.com/M/transfers.mcAnd just to brag a bit about myself, I am in 19th place out of 220 people in my fantasy football league. Here you don't have to buy trades unlike the MLS fantasy league. fantasy.premierleague.com/M/table.mc?id=2298
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Post by ronaldo11 on Mar 10, 2006 1:52:27 GMT -6
My criteria is watching every premiership game week in week out. Im not saying he's bad. I just stand by what I said before....he's very inexperienced and so other teams target him all the time. Also do you think he's better than Heinze, Evra and Silvestre at left back?? PS...i love this thread. "liverpool's strikers" , and we're chatting about a Man U defender on loan at Charlton!
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Post by usasoccerboy on Mar 10, 2006 12:30:42 GMT -6
Oh so what. If you watch everygame, then why does it matter that the thread has turned to a different part.
Man, I can look at all your post and then AFTER THE FACT condemn you for some characteristic about it.
The fact Charlton was brought up was because the last game Liverpool played in the EPL was Charlton, but of course you knew that right, since you watch every game.
Well, good for you. I watch almost every game too, but that doesn't mean I take my opinion as a neutral criteria.
My educational background is in experimental science, so I gave you a source that is unbiased. Sorry, but even if you see every game, that is a biased opinion. Not that there is anything wrong with you having a biased opinion as you can't have a subjective opinion and not be biased. I gave you the fantasy league results because it is not done through personal opinions.
And I even mentioned for you to come up with a better one, which you didn't, because I knew that someone would make some kind of oooh I know better than you comment like you just did.
I thought you guys liked to talk about soccer. But now I see it is just a conversation about yourself.
Yes, I admit that I bragged upon myself in my fantasy football league, but it was all in good fun, and I at least admit it before hand that I was bragging.
Now, you had no comment about Robbie Fowler, so I don't see you talking about the subject matter of the thread either.
Well, I know you were projecting.
Why?
That is only left for me to speculate, but after that last reply, I feel I have a better grasp of why.
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Post by usasoccerboy on Mar 10, 2006 12:33:30 GMT -6
And in no place did I say he was better than other EPLers. And I mentioned that he was young, and then you come back saying he was inexperienced. Hello, what is so different with what you and I said? Not much.
My comments were in context of Liverpool's last EPL game.
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Post by ronaldo11 on Mar 10, 2006 13:23:07 GMT -6
Hahahaha....what a joker you are. Sorry to disappoint you, but I didnt really study your comments like you obviously do mine.
I will say that in no way was I being confrontational at all. I dunno why you've written such an aggressive post. Calm down.
Im sure you said 'come up with another criteria if you want' or something to that effect...so I just put another one out there. If Spector has a rubbish game, playing woefully, but his keeper saves him and the defenders keep a clean sheet, then he'll get loads of points. His score total is reflective of his results, not performances. But thats a minor technicality. No need to shoot me down for that.
Also im not basing my thoughts on Spector from what my eyes see....its also what the experts say, during the game, after the game, and next few days.
About Spector being better or worse than other players....are you blind? Can you not see other people's posts? Big Nasty asked the question, so I answered it.
So take a taste of your own medicine, and stop making this thread about YOU.
Im sure everyone else can tell that i post on laprep because i love soccer...i dont have any other agenda. Maybe you should try that approach. And if you see something you dont like...then dont bother talking to us. We're obviously not in your world class league of 'experimental science'.
Calm down man! Enough of this crap.
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Post by usasoccerboy on Mar 10, 2006 14:45:05 GMT -6
Well you and I must watch different EPL games as the announcer was raving about Spector in that game.
The guys career just begun. It is not like he has this long history that is so predetermined that he is going to suck.
He plays on a lousy team.
The point of bringing it up was about how Liverpool went at him exclusively. There is no denying that from me. And he made every play when he needed too. He was back on his heels defensively, and he did the job. Just because a player is gettin driven at most of the time does not mean he is a lousy player. The lousy part can be blamed on his Charlton teamates who couldn't hold the ball at all in the first half particularly. Liverpool seemed to have 80% possession in their attacking third. Spector took all of that on and shut the team out.
Anyone who saw that game, it was obvious who played the best game. Sure, Myhre had a hell of a game in goal for Charlton. But that is easy to see.
In terms of Liverpool, they produced many scoring chanches, but their finishing was not spectacular at all.
I still think Robbie Fowler is going to impress again like he did in his younger days. I still think he is the most underated forward in England. I would definitely give him the chance for Sven if he can find his striking form again. So far, he seems to be back in fitness which is a good start. Don't be surprised if he gets going at the end of the EPL season and makes a push to get on Sven's team.
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Post by bignasty on Mar 10, 2006 15:44:41 GMT -6
I doubt Fowler will make the England squad for this summer.
But anyway, from what I've been reading lately on here and elsewhere, Spector played well against Liverpool and Charlton has had like 4 clean sheets with Spector starting. I don't know the teams they played for these clean sheets except Liverpool. And fortunately for Charlton and Spector, Liverpool obviously aren't in finishing form.
So I guess I'll have to say that Spector's future looks bright if he keeps improving. Because he is young, and he must have talent, otherwise Man United wouldn't have picked him up. But as far as I know he hasn't been challenged every week for more than a month. Because being a defender, I can tell you, you're only as good as you're last game, so being consistent is a must. If he keeps up his current form through the end of the season, then we can talk about how good he is.
What happened to Liverpool in that Champions League match though. From what I read they overwhelmingly dominated proceedings, but didn't score?
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Post by usasoccerboy on Mar 11, 2006 0:11:19 GMT -6
Didn't see the game, but it sounds like their finishing woes continue.
Fowler is no favorite to make the team, but besides Rooney, I don't see a good forward. Micheal Owen, like Robbie Fowler, has not been in the same form as when they were young. You have a host of other unprovens like Heskey, Vassel, Smith, Crouch, Defoe, and Bent getting call ups. None of them are what you call lights out players.
I believe Fowler in the past showed brilliance when he was in rare form. If he can catch fire, I wouldn't be surprised if Sven calls him up soon. But if Liverpool continues as they have of late, then of course, no shot at all will be given. I just think Fowler has not looked himself in a couple of years, but for some reason I think he can come back.
It is a long shot. I give you that, but I have watched many World Cups. I have followed Fowler's career. I believe Fowler has the ability to do it at the WC level.
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Post by ronaldo11 on Mar 11, 2006 4:34:24 GMT -6
Benfica were very confident going into that game. Liverpool's lack of goals; and the fact that Benfica only had to score 1 for Liverpool to score 3, made it a perfect way for Benfica to play. Sit back and play on the break.
Having said that, Crouch should have scored 2. One of his shots was simply a pass to the goalkeeper, and he didnt really have that much pressure on him. Gerrard's reaction said it all. Gerrard himself went close, as did Xabi Alonso.
To be honest, if Liverpool were not going get down the line and cross balls in, then they might as well have started with Robbie Fowler. He's got more of a goalscoring touch than Crouch, but I dont think either of them will ever get in the England first choice team ahead of Rooney and Owen.
Fowler HAD the quality to be a world cup player. He'll never make the world cup squad, so yeah it's a very long shot.
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Post by usasoccerboy on Mar 11, 2006 12:47:56 GMT -6
Well, you say HAD. I still think he can get it back, but time is running short for 2006 and 2010 he will be way too old.
As for Owen. I don't see him as a good forward for England. I believe he is way overrated and nothing like he was during his 18-20 years. Like Fowler, he may get his finishing touch back, but he has been riding the pine as well, but for some reasons, he keeps getting chance after chance, and England keep having let down after let down. Rooney, to me, is the only bona fide, real forward for England as of this moment.
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